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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8176 Posts
August 29 2010 22:11 GMT
#141
On August 29 2010 12:12 SimonB wrote:
I'd forgotten about those Goliath-M&M pushes Flash did for a period.

It really illustrates how Flash has grown. He used it several times with success in proleague before the Round of 16 in Bacchus09 OSL. At the time, there's a real buzz about this build.

So Flash tries to use it in his all-zerg group in the OSL and gets hard-countered by modified two-hatch mutas by Yarnc and Jaedong and gets knocked out of the tournament. He showed his hand too early. If he had saved it for the OSL, it probably would've done well.

So we fast-forward a year later, and Flash uses it again out-of-nowhere in these finals. Jaedong is expecting mech (especially on PR) and gets crushed.

Flash has always had some of the best mechanics around. It's only in the last year has he brought matching intelligence.


i need to watch game 1 again but im not so sure that the switch to MnM itself was as important as just the timing of the push. it seemed like he just had way more stuff than JD was able to deal with (even if you replace the MnM with equal money's worth of goliaths).
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29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
August 30 2010 01:13 GMT
#142
$150000 USD.... great job to flash! i wonder how much jaedong has made this year
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
love1another
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1844 Posts
August 30 2010 01:22 GMT
#143
WOOOOOT! Flash is amazing :D
"I'm learning more and more that TL isn't the place to go for advice outside of anything you need in college. It's like you guys just make up your own fantasy world shit and post it as if you've done it." - Chill
diggurd
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Norway346 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-30 01:39:08
August 30 2010 01:37 GMT
#144
lee young ho i love you.
lee jae dong don't be sad :")

but this thread is reeking sc2. i thought this forum corner was for the bw elitist? please keep balance (wtf?!?) lamenting to a minimum. and tennis? cmon...

flash is trandescending. if he wins the osl he is going to dissolve into nirvana.

but what were those patches he removed on game one? nicotine? beta-blockers? some new hiccup?

edit: translator, thank you
the interesting thing about this quote is that youll only understand whats interesting when youre done reading it. ǝɯıʇ ɹn ƃuıʇsɐʍ n ǝɹɐ ʎɥʍ
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
August 30 2010 01:57 GMT
#145
Flash baller! Glad he won.
觀過斯知仁矣.
crazeh
Profile Joined August 2010
91 Posts
August 30 2010 02:20 GMT
#146
The maps being imbalanced are not to blame, it's Jaedong's strategies. TvZ is only imbalanced when you play exactly how Jaedong did in games 1,2 and 5. Winning in the mid or late game is no problem for zerg as long as they are constantly pressuring the Terran the entire time. Letting the Terran 14cc and build up while the zerg tries to build up their own army is not how zerg should be played. Zerg has to be aggressive. Jaedong probably doesn't realize this because most Terran don't play like Flash and JD's raw skill advantage allows him to beat other Terrans playing passively.

Claiming that a zerg can't beat Flash and that TvZ has been completely explored is ridiculous. It's all mind games between Flash and Jaedong and Flash can read JD like a book...Uncontested 14cc 6 out of 8 games...winning all of them and losing the only two times he didn't. If Effort was in the finals he more than likely would have rushed the blind 14cc in game 5 and won the MSL which is the same way he won his OSL
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
August 30 2010 02:27 GMT
#147
ghaa this makes me so sad...
i feel like jd is the only one who can steal the osl from him (and i hope it happens goddammit!)

as much as i want to see one guy win proleage, msl and osl, and as much as i love flash.. im a bigger jd fanboy

LEE JAEDONG FIGHTING!
Jaedong.
nodule
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada931 Posts
August 30 2010 03:02 GMT
#148
Sigh, will we ever be able to enjoy a star league finals without most of the discussion being about racial/mapial imbalance?
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
August 30 2010 03:02 GMT
#149
Damn, neo.g.soulkey is gonna be the next big thing. Also I pity stork, hes gonna get anger raped so hard
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
Loser777
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
1931 Posts
August 30 2010 03:44 GMT
#150
Those who feel sorry for Jaedong....
just LOOK at this picture
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-30 04:19:09
August 30 2010 04:11 GMT
#151
On August 30 2010 12:44 Loser777 wrote:
Those who feel sorry for Jaedong....
just LOOK at this picture
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WTF does that have to do with anything? JD has made that face plenty of times before.
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I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
vOddy
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden402 Posts
August 30 2010 04:22 GMT
#152
On August 30 2010 12:02 nodule wrote:
Sigh, will we ever be able to enjoy a star league finals without most of the discussion being about racial/mapial imbalance?


Non, monsieur.
"You generate awesomeness. It just flows from you."
alexpnd
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1857 Posts
August 30 2010 04:22 GMT
#153
On August 30 2010 07:11 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2010 12:12 SimonB wrote:
I'd forgotten about those Goliath-M&M pushes Flash did for a period.

It really illustrates how Flash has grown. He used it several times with success in proleague before the Round of 16 in Bacchus09 OSL. At the time, there's a real buzz about this build.

So Flash tries to use it in his all-zerg group in the OSL and gets hard-countered by modified two-hatch mutas by Yarnc and Jaedong and gets knocked out of the tournament. He showed his hand too early. If he had saved it for the OSL, it probably would've done well.

So we fast-forward a year later, and Flash uses it again out-of-nowhere in these finals. Jaedong is expecting mech (especially on PR) and gets crushed.

Flash has always had some of the best mechanics around. It's only in the last year has he brought matching intelligence.


i need to watch game 1 again but im not so sure that the switch to MnM itself was as important as just the timing of the push. it seemed like he just had way more stuff than JD was able to deal with (even if you replace the MnM with equal money's worth of goliaths).


It's about the timing of a mech push (which jaedong expected to repel with hydras) vs the timing of flash's mech + m&m push which comes earlier and is damn powerful.
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malathion
Profile Joined March 2009
United States362 Posts
August 30 2010 04:50 GMT
#154
On August 30 2010 13:22 alexpnd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2010 07:11 Ideas wrote:
On August 29 2010 12:12 SimonB wrote:
I'd forgotten about those Goliath-M&M pushes Flash did for a period.

It really illustrates how Flash has grown. He used it several times with success in proleague before the Round of 16 in Bacchus09 OSL. At the time, there's a real buzz about this build.

So Flash tries to use it in his all-zerg group in the OSL and gets hard-countered by modified two-hatch mutas by Yarnc and Jaedong and gets knocked out of the tournament. He showed his hand too early. If he had saved it for the OSL, it probably would've done well.

So we fast-forward a year later, and Flash uses it again out-of-nowhere in these finals. Jaedong is expecting mech (especially on PR) and gets crushed.

Flash has always had some of the best mechanics around. It's only in the last year has he brought matching intelligence.


i need to watch game 1 again but im not so sure that the switch to MnM itself was as important as just the timing of the push. it seemed like he just had way more stuff than JD was able to deal with (even if you replace the MnM with equal money's worth of goliaths).


It's about the timing of a mech push (which jaedong expected to repel with hydras) vs the timing of flash's mech + m&m push which comes earlier and is damn powerful.

Yep, it was a bait and switch, and jaedong missed the switch.
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
August 30 2010 06:18 GMT
#155
jd gotta start playing some mind games as well... hes playing into flash's hands too often... not that flash's mech fakes arnt brilliant... flash's spidey game sense is just untouchable

mechanically, i think the two are dead even... and split second decisions i gotta think jd is better (lol muta micro.. although he did mismicro SO MUCH 5th set...).. but overall game plan/mind game tech switches/decisions- flash. the guys a genius.
Jaedong.
TriniMasta
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1323 Posts
August 30 2010 06:23 GMT
#156
- The mind games played today were incredible.
▲ For sets 1 and 2, I focused on mind games while preparing and for Fighting Spirit, I depended on my own skills. I had a strong strategy prepared for Triathlon but it ended so regrettably that I felt nervous. Thankfully, I feel like the strategy I prepared for the 5th set played out really well so I won easier than expected.

Just proves you have to cheese, cheese game 1 and game 2, I'll play standard vs standard for game 3, I just owned.
정명훈 FIGHTING!!! Play both T and P.
SkyTheUnknown
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Germany2065 Posts
August 30 2010 06:38 GMT
#157
imho 150k dollars is not that much for being one of the two greatest active bw players in korea.
a good sc2 player could be able to earn more...
The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown - H.P. Lovecraft
0mgVitaminE
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1278 Posts
August 30 2010 06:46 GMT
#158
On August 30 2010 11:20 crazeh wrote:
The maps being imbalanced are not to blame, it's Jaedong's strategies. TvZ is only imbalanced when you play exactly how Jaedong did in games 1,2 and 5. Winning in the mid or late game is no problem for zerg as long as they are constantly pressuring the Terran the entire time. Letting the Terran 14cc and build up while the zerg tries to build up their own army is not how zerg should be played. Zerg has to be aggressive. Jaedong probably doesn't realize this because most Terran don't play like Flash and JD's raw skill advantage allows him to beat other Terrans playing passively.

Claiming that a zerg can't beat Flash and that TvZ has been completely explored is ridiculous. It's all mind games between Flash and Jaedong and Flash can read JD like a book...Uncontested 14cc 6 out of 8 games...winning all of them and losing the only two times he didn't. If Effort was in the finals he more than likely would have rushed the blind 14cc in game 5 and won the MSL which is the same way he won his OSL

Ya, I doubt Jaedong knows zerg very well.
Hi there. I'm in a cave, how bout you?
crazeh
Profile Joined August 2010
91 Posts
August 30 2010 10:50 GMT
#159
On August 30 2010 15:46 0mgVitaminE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2010 11:20 crazeh wrote:
The maps being imbalanced are not to blame, it's Jaedong's strategies. TvZ is only imbalanced when you play exactly how Jaedong did in games 1,2 and 5. Winning in the mid or late game is no problem for zerg as long as they are constantly pressuring the Terran the entire time. Letting the Terran 14cc and build up while the zerg tries to build up their own army is not how zerg should be played. Zerg has to be aggressive. Jaedong probably doesn't realize this because most Terran don't play like Flash and JD's raw skill advantage allows him to beat other Terrans playing passively.

Claiming that a zerg can't beat Flash and that TvZ has been completely explored is ridiculous. It's all mind games between Flash and Jaedong and Flash can read JD like a book...Uncontested 14cc 6 out of 8 games...winning all of them and losing the only two times he didn't. If Effort was in the finals he more than likely would have rushed the blind 14cc in game 5 and won the MSL which is the same way he won his OSL

Ya, I doubt Jaedong knows zerg very well.

sorry...I meant against Flash's 14cc build specifically.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
August 30 2010 11:44 GMT
#160
On August 30 2010 12:02 nodule wrote:
Sigh, will we ever be able to enjoy a star league finals without most of the discussion being about racial/mapial imbalance?


when we finally have a star league final full of balanced maps?
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
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