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On August 29 2010 12:12 SimonB wrote:
I'd forgotten about those Goliath-M&M pushes Flash did for a period.
It really illustrates how Flash has grown. He used it several times with success in proleague before the Round of 16 in Bacchus09 OSL. At the time, there's a real buzz about this build.
So Flash tries to use it in his all-zerg group in the OSL and gets hard-countered by modified two-hatch mutas by Yarnc and Jaedong and gets knocked out of the tournament. He showed his hand too early. If he had saved it for the OSL, it probably would've done well.
So we fast-forward a year later, and Flash uses it again out-of-nowhere in these finals. Jaedong is expecting mech (especially on PR) and gets crushed.
Flash has always had some of the best mechanics around. It's only in the last year has he brought matching intelligence.
i need to watch game 1 again but im not so sure that the switch to MnM itself was as important as just the timing of the push. it seemed like he just had way more stuff than JD was able to deal with (even if you replace the MnM with equal money's worth of goliaths).
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$150000 USD.... great job to flash! i wonder how much jaedong has made this year
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WOOOOOT! Flash is amazing :D
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lee young ho i love you.
lee jae dong don't be sad :")
but this thread is reeking sc2. i thought this forum corner was for the bw elitist? please keep balance (wtf?!?) lamenting to a minimum. and tennis? cmon...
flash is trandescending. if he wins the osl he is going to dissolve into nirvana.
but what were those patches he removed on game one? nicotine? beta-blockers? some new hiccup?
edit: translator, thank you 
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Flash baller! Glad he won.
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The maps being imbalanced are not to blame, it's Jaedong's strategies. TvZ is only imbalanced when you play exactly how Jaedong did in games 1,2 and 5. Winning in the mid or late game is no problem for zerg as long as they are constantly pressuring the Terran the entire time. Letting the Terran 14cc and build up while the zerg tries to build up their own army is not how zerg should be played. Zerg has to be aggressive. Jaedong probably doesn't realize this because most Terran don't play like Flash and JD's raw skill advantage allows him to beat other Terrans playing passively.
Claiming that a zerg can't beat Flash and that TvZ has been completely explored is ridiculous. It's all mind games between Flash and Jaedong and Flash can read JD like a book...Uncontested 14cc 6 out of 8 games...winning all of them and losing the only two times he didn't. If Effort was in the finals he more than likely would have rushed the blind 14cc in game 5 and won the MSL which is the same way he won his OSL
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ghaa this makes me so sad...
i feel like jd is the only one who can steal the osl from him (and i hope it happens goddammit!)
as much as i want to see one guy win proleage, msl and osl, and as much as i love flash.. im a bigger jd fanboy 
LEE JAEDONG FIGHTING!
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Sigh, will we ever be able to enjoy a star league finals without most of the discussion being about racial/mapial imbalance?
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Damn, neo.g.soulkey is gonna be the next big thing. Also I pity stork, hes gonna get anger raped so hard
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Those who feel sorry for Jaedong....
just LOOK at this picture
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On August 30 2010 12:44 Loser777 wrote:Those who feel sorry for Jaedong.... just LOOK at this picture + Show Spoiler +
WTF does that have to do with anything? JD has made that face plenty of times before.
+ Show Spoiler +
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On August 30 2010 12:02 nodule wrote:
Sigh, will we ever be able to enjoy a star league finals without most of the discussion being about racial/mapial imbalance?
Non, monsieur.
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On August 30 2010 07:11 Ideas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 12:12 SimonB wrote:
I'd forgotten about those Goliath-M&M pushes Flash did for a period.
It really illustrates how Flash has grown. He used it several times with success in proleague before the Round of 16 in Bacchus09 OSL. At the time, there's a real buzz about this build.
So Flash tries to use it in his all-zerg group in the OSL and gets hard-countered by modified two-hatch mutas by Yarnc and Jaedong and gets knocked out of the tournament. He showed his hand too early. If he had saved it for the OSL, it probably would've done well.
So we fast-forward a year later, and Flash uses it again out-of-nowhere in these finals. Jaedong is expecting mech (especially on PR) and gets crushed.
Flash has always had some of the best mechanics around. It's only in the last year has he brought matching intelligence. i need to watch game 1 again but im not so sure that the switch to MnM itself was as important as just the timing of the push. it seemed like he just had way more stuff than JD was able to deal with (even if you replace the MnM with equal money's worth of goliaths).
It's about the timing of a mech push (which jaedong expected to repel with hydras) vs the timing of flash's mech + m&m push which comes earlier and is damn powerful.
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On August 30 2010 13:22 alexpnd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 07:11 Ideas wrote:On August 29 2010 12:12 SimonB wrote:
I'd forgotten about those Goliath-M&M pushes Flash did for a period.
It really illustrates how Flash has grown. He used it several times with success in proleague before the Round of 16 in Bacchus09 OSL. At the time, there's a real buzz about this build.
So Flash tries to use it in his all-zerg group in the OSL and gets hard-countered by modified two-hatch mutas by Yarnc and Jaedong and gets knocked out of the tournament. He showed his hand too early. If he had saved it for the OSL, it probably would've done well.
So we fast-forward a year later, and Flash uses it again out-of-nowhere in these finals. Jaedong is expecting mech (especially on PR) and gets crushed.
Flash has always had some of the best mechanics around. It's only in the last year has he brought matching intelligence. i need to watch game 1 again but im not so sure that the switch to MnM itself was as important as just the timing of the push. it seemed like he just had way more stuff than JD was able to deal with (even if you replace the MnM with equal money's worth of goliaths). It's about the timing of a mech push (which jaedong expected to repel with hydras) vs the timing of flash's mech + m&m push which comes earlier and is damn powerful.
Yep, it was a bait and switch, and jaedong missed the switch.
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jd gotta start playing some mind games as well... hes playing into flash's hands too often... not that flash's mech fakes arnt brilliant... flash's spidey game sense is just untouchable 
mechanically, i think the two are dead even... and split second decisions i gotta think jd is better (lol muta micro.. although he did mismicro SO MUCH 5th set...).. but overall game plan/mind game tech switches/decisions- flash. the guys a genius.
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- The mind games played today were incredible.
▲ For sets 1 and 2, I focused on mind games while preparing and for Fighting Spirit, I depended on my own skills. I had a strong strategy prepared for Triathlon but it ended so regrettably that I felt nervous. Thankfully, I feel like the strategy I prepared for the 5th set played out really well so I won easier than expected.
Just proves you have to cheese, cheese game 1 and game 2, I'll play standard vs standard for game 3, I just owned.
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imho 150k dollars is not that much for being one of the two greatest active bw players in korea.
a good sc2 player could be able to earn more...
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On August 30 2010 11:20 crazeh wrote:
The maps being imbalanced are not to blame, it's Jaedong's strategies. TvZ is only imbalanced when you play exactly how Jaedong did in games 1,2 and 5. Winning in the mid or late game is no problem for zerg as long as they are constantly pressuring the Terran the entire time. Letting the Terran 14cc and build up while the zerg tries to build up their own army is not how zerg should be played. Zerg has to be aggressive. Jaedong probably doesn't realize this because most Terran don't play like Flash and JD's raw skill advantage allows him to beat other Terrans playing passively.
Claiming that a zerg can't beat Flash and that TvZ has been completely explored is ridiculous. It's all mind games between Flash and Jaedong and Flash can read JD like a book...Uncontested 14cc 6 out of 8 games...winning all of them and losing the only two times he didn't. If Effort was in the finals he more than likely would have rushed the blind 14cc in game 5 and won the MSL which is the same way he won his OSL
Ya, I doubt Jaedong knows zerg very well.
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On August 30 2010 15:46 0mgVitaminE wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 11:20 crazeh wrote:
The maps being imbalanced are not to blame, it's Jaedong's strategies. TvZ is only imbalanced when you play exactly how Jaedong did in games 1,2 and 5. Winning in the mid or late game is no problem for zerg as long as they are constantly pressuring the Terran the entire time. Letting the Terran 14cc and build up while the zerg tries to build up their own army is not how zerg should be played. Zerg has to be aggressive. Jaedong probably doesn't realize this because most Terran don't play like Flash and JD's raw skill advantage allows him to beat other Terrans playing passively.
Claiming that a zerg can't beat Flash and that TvZ has been completely explored is ridiculous. It's all mind games between Flash and Jaedong and Flash can read JD like a book...Uncontested 14cc 6 out of 8 games...winning all of them and losing the only two times he didn't. If Effort was in the finals he more than likely would have rushed the blind 14cc in game 5 and won the MSL which is the same way he won his OSL Ya, I doubt Jaedong knows zerg very well.
sorry...I meant against Flash's 14cc build specifically.
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On August 30 2010 12:02 nodule wrote:
Sigh, will we ever be able to enjoy a star league finals without most of the discussion being about racial/mapial imbalance?
when we finally have a star league final full of balanced maps?
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