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On August 29 2010 06:52 jyLee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 06:26 teamsolid wrote:
Wow... if Flash wins the OSL too, this'll be the most epic grand slam ever. Winning MSL, PL AND OSL all in one year. Can't possibly get any better than that. Definitely surpassed Bonjwa status long ago. WTH are you smokin? No doubt Flash is the best player in SC atm but NOBODY in their right mind is gonna say hes alot better than JD and untouchable. Proven by the 3-2 score, proven by the fact that JD was favored by most TLers in the poll to win. proven by the fact that he didnt 3-1 in a strongly T favored map pool. Either you dont understand what a bonjwa means or you're just a retarded fanboy.
Are you fucking kidding me? I didn't even mention Jaedong at all in my post, and somehow you take that as an attack on JD. I'm a way bigger JD fanboy than Flash and I consider him above bonjwa as well, but it's hard to argue with results. Jaedong has had an impressive season so far, but unless he wins the OSL, Flash has definitely had way more success this year. Just stfu please.
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On August 29 2010 06:52 jyLee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 06:26 teamsolid wrote:
Wow... if Flash wins the OSL too, this'll be the most epic grand slam ever. Winning MSL, PL AND OSL all in one year. Can't possibly get any better than that. Definitely surpassed Bonjwa status long ago. WTH are you smokin? No doubt Flash is the best player in SC atm but NOBODY in their right mind is gonna say hes alot better than JD and untouchable. Proven by the 3-2 score, proven by the fact that JD was favored by most TLers in the poll to win. proven by the fact that he didnt 3-1 in a strongly T favored map pool. Either you dont understand what a bonjwa means or you're just a retarded fanboy.
I always find it funny when some American or other non-korean says something like "you don't understand what bonjwa means!!" when it's a KOREAN term and the Koreans called both Flash and JD above bonjwa ages ago.
But no, of course you understand better.
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Woot, go Flash! Terran represent :p
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Lucky parents.
Never approach Dong after he loses MSL Finals =(
And effort helped? Conspiracy theory of Alien and robot cooperation >=(
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Fuck, I just finished watching the VODs...
It was SOOOOO freaking close -____- LLWWL for Jaedong; I'm not BW genius so correct me if I'm wrong but Jaedong won on all mostly-balanced maps and lost on the Terran-imbalanced maps--wouldn't it have been a much better fight if the map pool was better (people have mentioned this many, many times already, but I'm still pissed the hell off). VERY unprofessional of the MSL organizers to have set Polaris Rhapsody as first and last sets...
I'm pissed the hell off, damn it.
+ Show Spoiler +tl;dr BAWWWWWW terran-imba T____T
Edit: after reading some of the other JD-fanboy posts, I am not one of them! 
While it would feel good if I were to curse the name of Flash and demean him, I have to give him credit; he played phenomenally, and this season has irrefutably been a great one for him--his success is a different matter as compared to his rivalry with Jaedong.
I just feel that Jaedong, who I think is playing better right now (overall), deserved the win more, but has been repeatedly screwed by the cheap-ass map pools. :/
I can't help but do the old "Jaedong/Flash=Federer/Nadal" comparison >3< Obviously, Flash "plays" like Federer ("perfection" and dominance), and Jaedong, Nadal ("passion" and more flamboyantly--sort of). However, my favorite tennis player is Federer, by far, and my favorite starcraft player is Jaedong (though he's closely followed by Stork ). The MSL final reminded me of last year's Aussie Open final, where Federer was sad after losing to Nadal (as JD lost to Flash yesterday fml).
*SIGHHHHHHHHHHHH~*
Okay, I'm done. On second though, maybe I should have blogged that. There's more content in this post than half of all blog entries anyway (though my post's quality is debatable >v<)
Of course, THANKS SMIX!! ^^
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ty smix
flash making dat money
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On August 29 2010 09:04 Z3kk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Fuck, I just finished watching the VODs... It was SOOOOO freaking close -____- LLWWL for Jaedong; I'm not BW genius so correct me if I'm wrong but Jaedong won on all mostly-balanced maps and lost on the Terran-imbalanced maps--wouldn't it have been a much better fight if the map pool was better (people have mentioned this many, many times already, but I'm still pissed the hell off). VERY unprofessional of the MSL organizers to have set Polaris Rhapsody as first and last sets... I'm pissed the hell off, damn it. + Show Spoiler +tl;dr BAWWWWWW terran-imba T____T
Can't cry map imba on PR for set 1 and 5 since they didn't go into the lategame, and flash didn't take his double gas. PR is terran imba when the map is split and terran can camp it out (like the game vs Zero, though that was an awesome game regardless).
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God even the Broodwar forum full of whine now... hate you sc2... 
Congrats Flash the better player this series and thanks for the interview smix!
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WOW.. I missed this?! Crap.. Well, glad to see that FlaSh won. I'm just wondering, what's the new record he set? Thanks for the interview!
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On August 29 2010 09:55 YoonHo wrote:
WOW.. I missed this?! Crap.. Well, glad to see that FlaSh won. I'm just wondering, what's the new record he set? Thanks for the interview!
First time Jaedong has lost in the 5th set of a bo5 ever.
If Flash gets to the finals of OSL, it'll be the first time someone has qualified for both individual league finals 3 times in a row.
If Flash continues doing well, at this rate he is estimated to earn between 400,000,000 ~ 500,000,00 won this year which is more than the current record held by Savior for highest earnings (400,000,000 won during 05-06 season).
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On August 29 2010 09:30 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 09:04 Z3kk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Fuck, I just finished watching the VODs... It was SOOOOO freaking close -____- LLWWL for Jaedong; I'm not BW genius so correct me if I'm wrong but Jaedong won on all mostly-balanced maps and lost on the Terran-imbalanced maps--wouldn't it have been a much better fight if the map pool was better (people have mentioned this many, many times already, but I'm still pissed the hell off). VERY unprofessional of the MSL organizers to have set Polaris Rhapsody as first and last sets... I'm pissed the hell off, damn it. + Show Spoiler +tl;dr BAWWWWWW terran-imba T____T Can't cry map imba on PR for set 1 and 5 since they didn't go into the lategame, and flash didn't take his double gas. PR is terran imba when the map is split and terran can camp it out (like the game vs Zero, though that was an awesome game regardless).
Yes, Flash didn't abuse the mech imbalance for the map but was able to utilize it via mind games. JD wanted to macro up so he can somewhat compete with the mech army, so Flash countered it with good timing pushes. Flash read JD like an open book, cause JD over-expanded in both PR and odd-eye and was swiftly crushed. (conversely, Flash was unlucky and scouted the wrong way on triathlon and was crushed by a 9-pool).
Not to take away anything from Flash, cause his control was impeccable. I just wish that there are maps where both sides are able to play more flexibly, so we don't get the perfect responses and one-sided rape games.
On a side note, I want to see a bunch of toss-favored maps to see how these two would respond.
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On August 29 2010 10:02 bearbuddy wrote:Yes, Flash didn't abuse the mech imbalance for the map but was able to utilize it via mind games. JD wanted to macro up so he can somewhat compete with the mech army, so Flash countered it with good timing pushes. Flash read JD like an open book, cause JD over-expanded in both PR and odd-eye and was swiftly crushed. (conversely, Flash was unlucky and scouted the wrong way on triathlon and was crushed by a 9-pool).
Not to take away anything from Flash, cause his control was impeccable. I just wish that there are maps where both sides are able to play more flexibly, so we don't get the perfect responses and one-sided rape games.
On a side note, I want to see a bunch of toss-favored maps to see how these two would respond.
Out of curiosity, what does a map usually have for it to be Protoss favored? I know, more or less, what map features are better for Zerg or better for Terran, but I really have no idea for Protoss.
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On August 29 2010 10:13 Mumei wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 10:02 bearbuddy wrote:Yes, Flash didn't abuse the mech imbalance for the map but was able to utilize it via mind games. JD wanted to macro up so he can somewhat compete with the mech army, so Flash countered it with good timing pushes. Flash read JD like an open book, cause JD over-expanded in both PR and odd-eye and was swiftly crushed. (conversely, Flash was unlucky and scouted the wrong way on triathlon and was crushed by a 9-pool).
Not to take away anything from Flash, cause his control was impeccable. I just wish that there are maps where both sides are able to play more flexibly, so we don't get the perfect responses and one-sided rape games.
On a side note, I want to see a bunch of toss-favored maps to see how these two would respond. Out of curiosity, what does a map usually have for it to be Protoss favored? I know, more or less, what map features are better for Zerg or better for Terran, but I really have no idea for Protoss.
Island map or no gas on the map
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See my Map Design idea for solution to terran map imba!
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Difficult third gas, ledges, etc. PR is actually good for toss, it's just not used in prelim where a lot of decent tosses were eliminated. Katrina is a good example, and Flash rofl-stomped everyone on there.
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Island maps like Neo Hall of Valhalla and Neo Requiem. Gotta abuse those recalls and carriers.
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Is the goliath + marine timing push a new TvZ build (game 1)? I had never seen it before, but I haven't really been paying attention to BW much anymore, so I was wondering if Jaedong would have had much practice against it.
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yeah polaris is p>t and p>z, both by a decent margin iirc
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On August 29 2010 11:00 Najda wrote:
Is the goliath + marine timing push a new TvZ build (game 1)? I had never seen it before, but I haven't really been paying attention to BW much anymore, so I was wondering if Jaedong would have had much practice against it.
I was thinking the same thing. That's the first time I've seen it, but i also dont follow BW much
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thanks for the links guys...
gg
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