EPTi'm so sad
WHY DOES MSL HAVE SUCH SHIT MAPS
oh well grats flash. lets just hype osl now and hope that jaedong destroys flash.
[Interview] Bigfile MSL 2010 Grand Final Winner! - Page 5
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
i'm so sad WHY DOES MSL HAVE SUCH SHIT MAPS oh well grats flash. lets just hype osl now and hope that jaedong destroys flash. | ||
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KristianJS
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(all games are in the same vid) | ||
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Lokian
United States699 Posts
On August 29 2010 04:33 palexhur wrote: For your statement it seems that you are a newcomer in TL (may I ask you how many days in BW?) and only post to say that people should go to the Terran Land (SC2). I think that flash set better this final, and JD showed his great skills in that game 3, waiting for more good BW finals. I played BW when it first came out and discovered the scene when gomTV were doing English commentary. It was around gomTV intel classic. I didn't find much reason to sign up for TL. SC2 is still changing with updates. SC2 Terrans are dominating the game in a similar fashion as BW and they got nerfed in the recent patch. Anyways, I was just expressing that BW has squeezed out all of its juices already and the true balance between races are apparent. So I thought SC2 might have more opportunity. Nobody knows how to beat mid-late game BW terrans these days and everything has already been explored. It takes 2x the skill to beat a BW terran. In cases of pro-gamer terrans, thats nearly impossible. Not trying to start anything, just my opinion, but yeah. | ||
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sva
United States747 Posts
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On August 29 2010 06:11 Lokian wrote: I played BW when it first came out and discovered the scene when gomTV were doing English commentary. It was around gomTV intel classic. I didn't find much reason to sign up for TL. SC2 is still changing with updates. SC2 Terrans are dominating the game in a similar fashion as BW and they got nerfed in the recent patch. Anyways, I was just expressing that BW has squeezed out all of its juices already and the true balance between races are apparent. So I thought SC2 might have more opportunity, because nobody know how to beat terrans these days and everything has already been explored. No matter the skill level, it takes 2x the skill to beat a terran. In cases of pro-gamer terrans, thats nearly impossible. Not trying to start anything, just my opinion, but yeah. Yes, Terrans have been dominating everything for last one year. That includes Flash being the only Terran in semi-finals in last 3 OSLs and 2 MSLs before Bigfile. That's just way to much right? | ||
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akomatic
156 Posts
Edit: Btw, my favorite part was Flash's sneaky undercover mech. ![[image loading]](http://a.imageshack.us/img816/2225/treetank.png) | ||
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Lokian
United States699 Posts
On August 29 2010 06:17 Lebesgue wrote: Yes, Terrans have been dominating everything for last one year. That includes Flash being the only Terran in semi-finals in last 3 OSLs and 2 MSLs before Bigfile. That's just way to much right? Looking at the more recent leagues, terrans were dominate. The previous leagues, Flash was just leading the herd to adapt to his style. And now look what happened lol | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
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KristianJS
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jackknight
United States51 Posts
On August 29 2010 06:11 Lokian wrote: I played BW when it first came out and discovered the scene when gomTV were doing English commentary. It was around gomTV intel classic. I didn't find much reason to sign up for TL. SC2 is still changing with updates. SC2 Terrans are dominating the game in a similar fashion as BW and they got nerfed in the recent patch. Anyways, I was just expressing that BW has squeezed out all of its juices already and the true balance between races are apparent. So I thought SC2 might have more opportunity. Nobody knows how to beat mid-late game BW terrans these days and everything has already been explored. It takes 2x the skill to beat a BW terran. In cases of pro-gamer terrans, thats nearly impossible. Not trying to start anything, just my opinion, but yeah. Comparison between SC2 and SC again? It doesn't mater if you play BW when it first come out or if you watch the pro-scene since the beginning. Your claim that it takes 2x more skills to win etc etc just discredit your whole statement. Obviously, Terran is imbalance because Flash is the only one to ever reach the MSL/OSL final for the past 1-2 years [I think ForGG/Fantasy was the last T] | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On August 28 2010 22:07 SimonB wrote: Thanks, Smix. 180,000,000 Korean Won = ~151,343 US Dollars That doesn't even include his salary. Well done, Flash! Yup, together with his salary he likely made more than every single KT player this yeah combined. When they panned to his parents after the victory, I could only imagine them saying something along the lines of: "good thing we got over our objections to him becoming a progamer... lets go back home and sit on our mountain of cash". | ||
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Lokian
United States699 Posts
On August 29 2010 06:35 jackknight wrote: Comparison between SC2 and SC again? It doesn't mater if you play BW when it first come out or if you watch the pro-scene since the beginning. Your claim that it takes 2x more skills to win etc etc just discredit your whole statement. Obviously, Terran is imbalance because Flash is the only one to ever reach the MSL/OSL final for the past 1-2 years [I think ForGG/Fantasy was the last T] I was just answering his question and explaining what I meant. But anyways, people still seem to think Terrans are not imbalanced even though in recent pro-gamer interviews, terrans are said to be imbalanced, takes less task, etc... Everyone seems to agree and I thought it was okay to say but I guess just to say, maybe its not. | ||
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SimonB
United States1088 Posts
With a total of 20 slots available in those league semifinals, Flash took up 5 of them. The other 15 didn't include 1 terran. If you were to assume the races were equal in probability of taking up a slot, the chances of not a single Terran in the 15 remaining slots is (2/3)^15, which is 1 in 438. The fact is, the races weren't equal in probability because terrans have generally been struggling aside from Flash. BigFile had 3 terrans in the semifinals, and all of a sudden people scream imba. T is not dominating. Flash is dominating. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On August 29 2010 03:02 SubtleArt wrote: I'm talking about 2 all in timing pushes (which are not "actual skill", im sorry), and riding a 14CC advantage The only game in the series one could claim flash was "riding a 14CC advantage" was game 5, to which JD responded by grabbing 4 base (4 gas) early. Had Flash's first attack failed to kill 1.5, and his last attack failed to kill 12 and 1.5 (again), he would have lost, game was pretty close. The other 14CCs in the series were after scouting (this must be the 6th time I have to point this out to someone... jeez). Those are JD's fault for 12 hatching on 2 player maps, which Flash scouted, and responded by putting down a 14CC (just as he did in the last MSL). Only game 5 was a blind 14cc (followed by a quick wall-in). And timing pushes aren't skill? JD got greedy in both games, tried to double expo and power drone, Flash punished him for it. How is that not a valid answer? Is flash supposed to wait patiently in his base until JD takes 6 bases and tells him "ok, all ready now, you can push out"? On a similar note, JD has been 63.3% vT in the past 12 months, destroying Ts left and right, but when he loses to flash everyone cries out "terran imba". Can't blame "map imba" on PR either (both times) since Flash never took his double gas or went into the lategame like he did vs Zero (man I loved that game). | ||
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jyLee
United States350 Posts
On August 29 2010 06:26 teamsolid wrote: Wow... if Flash wins the OSL too, this'll be the most epic grand slam ever. Winning MSL, PL AND OSL all in one year. Can't possibly get any better than that. Definitely surpassed Bonjwa status long ago. WTH are you smokin? No doubt Flash is the best player in SC atm but NOBODY in their right mind is gonna say hes alot better than JD and untouchable. Proven by the 3-2 score, proven by the fact that JD was favored by most TLers in the poll to win. proven by the fact that he didnt 3-1 in a strongly T favored map pool. Either you dont understand what a bonjwa means or you're just a retarded fanboy. | ||
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jackknight
United States51 Posts
On August 29 2010 06:45 Lokian wrote: I was just answering his question and explaining what I meant. But anyways, people still seem to think Terrans are not imbalanced even though in recent pro-gamer interviews, terrans are said to be imbalanced, takes less task, etc... Everyone seems to agree and I thought it was okay to say but I guess just to say, maybe its not. You mean the Sea and Leta's Interview? [Afterward, Sea failed against JD and Leta cant catch a break] Don't get me wrong, I am sure BW is not a 100% balance game at all [neither is any other RTS game]. But give credit where is due. Flash earn his wins. | ||
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SimonB
United States1088 Posts
On August 29 2010 06:52 jyLee wrote: WTH are you smokin? No doubt Flash is the best player in SC atm but NOBODY in their right mind is gonna say hes alot better than JD and untouchable. Proven by the 3-2 score, proven by the fact that JD was favored by most TLers in the poll to win. proven by the fact that he didnt 3-1 in a strongly T favored map pool. Either you dont understand what a bonjwa means or you're just a retarded fanboy. All pretty specious arguments. Going by TL polls? You think those prove anything? And a 3-2 win doesn't prove some sort of closeness. I'd say Fantasy was significantly closer to knocking Flash out than JD, but nobody argues him to be close. JD has had an unbelievable season (maybe the best of his career?), but I don't see him particularly close to Flash because as good as JD was this season, Flash has been a little better, and he's been way better for almost an entire year. | ||
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Fumi
529 Posts
On August 29 2010 06:52 jyLee wrote: WTH are you smokin? No doubt Flash is the best player in SC atm but NOBODY in their right mind is gonna say hes alot better than JD and untouchable. Proven by the 3-2 score, proven by the fact that JD was favored by most TLers in the poll to win. proven by the fact that he didnt 3-1 in a strongly T favored map pool. Either you dont understand what a bonjwa means or you're just a retarded fanboy. Do you remember the Flash vs Jaedong polls here on TL? Before the OSL finals, it was 50/50. At some point it was even 52/48 in Flash's favor, since he was being so strong. Then Flash lost to effort, and people decided to join the JD bandwagon, and by the end of it he had a 8ish% lead on Flash. Then there was a new poll, but JD lost 0-3 in the MSL. Guess who won, by an even bigger lead? So yeah, polls say nothing. | ||
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shadesofkarma
Romania708 Posts
On August 29 2010 06:11 Lokian wrote: I played BW when it first came out and discovered the scene when gomTV were doing English commentary. It was around gomTV intel classic. I didn't find much reason to sign up for TL. SC2 is still changing with updates. SC2 Terrans are dominating the game in a similar fashion as BW and they got nerfed in the recent patch. Anyways, I was just expressing that BW has squeezed out all of its juices already and the true balance between races are apparent. So I thought SC2 might have more opportunity. Nobody knows how to beat mid-late game BW terrans these days and everything has already been explored. It takes 2x the skill to beat a BW terran. In cases of pro-gamer terrans, thats nearly impossible. Not trying to start anything, just my opinion, but yeah. You obviously don't know what you are talking about... I guess when Savior was dominating and all the zergs had a high winrate all of BW and Protoss could not find a single way to defeat Savior's momentum style play BW was explored then huh? Just because all the best Protoss (nalra, Reach, etc. etc.) could not beat him that means all of BW was explored right? I mean... no one could possibly defeat Savior's ZvP.. imba! Right? Oh Wait... Just because Flash had some nice builds planned does not mean BW is stale strategically. In fact, it is opposite. Even after 12 years, new ways to look at a matchup can still be discovered. But that's ok, maybe typical SC2 | ||
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yelps
United States12 Posts
- Are you confident that you’ll be able to win both individual league titles? ▲ I have more than enough confidence right now. Because of the way I was able to win today, I’ve attained a confidence where I believe I can beat no matter who I play against now. I’ll make sure to earn both individual title leagues this season since I wasn’t able to do so last season. Oh man, the chills. | ||
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