On August 21 2010 10:13 KwarK wrote: I can't believe all the people saying this is too harsh or it was just throwing a few games. I can only assume they haven't considered the fact that this is game throwing within the context of fans betting on games.
These people stole from fans who thought they were betting on a fair game. They abused the trust of the betters to help the betting websites steal their money in exchange for a share of the profit. 18 months is too lenient. Normal starcraft fans like you and I are the ones who lost money here because Savior used their trust in him to take their money.
Since when did progamers have an obligation to gamblers? There are plenty of players who put no effort in some games simply because they don't give a crap. Would you consider that as abusing the trust of betters as well?
The ones I feel truly sorry for are the teammates, coaches and managers who work their ass off only to have it gone to waste because one of the players decided to throw his game and reveal his teammates' strategies.
they don't have an obligation to gamblers, but they did go out of their way to steal people's money, so although at first I thought it was sort of harsh, Kwark's argument made me change my mind, I think he's right, I definitely would not want a scumbag taking my hard-earned money like this
On August 20 2010 22:58 JWD wrote: 18 months jail time? For illegal betting? Wow Koreans have different notions of justice than Americans. That seems impossibly harsh to me.
If that had happen in Football or basketball in US, it would have been long jail time too. American justice is ridiculously severe from what I know: percentage of jailed people is around ten time higher than any european country (more than 1% adult is in jail in US iirc).
What's really sad is that I do't think Savior or Justin ever really realized what they were doing and risking. I hope the court won't be too harsh.
On August 20 2010 22:58 JWD wrote: 18 months jail time? For illegal betting? Wow Koreans have different notions of justice than Americans. That seems impossibly harsh to me.
Crimes like these usually have pretty harsh sentences though since the law want the incentives to rig matches like this to be really low (it's a bit like insider trading which also have fairly long penalties).
Although I only know a bit of swedish law this seems in line with what you would expect here (okay maybe not as long jail time due to age and what is most likely a first offence) but in comparison every time I hear about U.S sentences I feel like "damn thats like super harsh!".
On August 21 2010 10:13 KwarK wrote: I can't believe all the people saying this is too harsh or it was just throwing a few games. I can only assume they haven't considered the fact that this is game throwing within the context of fans betting on games.
These people stole from fans who thought they were betting on a fair game. They abused the trust of the betters to help the betting websites steal their money in exchange for a share of the profit. 18 months is too lenient. Normal starcraft fans like you and I are the ones who lost money here because Savior used their trust in him to take their money.
That reasoning is fine if we assume that the betting was done through legal betting websites/organizations. I was under the impression that most (all?) of the Starcraft gambling sites were illegal, which is why Proleague changed its format and stopped revealing lineups to curb the efforts of gambling websites. So if the gamblers get screwed, it's their own fault.
Edit: Guess you were talking about bets between individuals or friends. In that case, I still don't think Savior is legally responsible for your personal bets.
On August 21 2010 16:46 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On August 21 2010 16:03 TriniMasta wrote: YAY!!!!!!!
On August 21 2010 15:27 On_Slaught wrote: Really harsh penalties (tho understandable in that gaming society I suppose).
I wonder how they will be treated in prison.
yep I spend minutes fantasizing about sAviOr getting owned, outside of gaming, double the pleasure
Do you realize we are talking about young people who will spend years in jail?
Does that REALLY make you happy?
Savior deserves it since he not only participated in online gambling but actually coerced others into fucking up their careers and joining him.
I am not saying it is not fair. I am asking if it really makes him happy.
Savior is a kid who was a very good player, did something really dumb for very bad reasons, and get his life crushed.
The whole thing is sad, there is nothing to be happy about, imo.
Justice is a sad and necessary thing. But people who yell joyfully when they see someone going in jail or being punished are not moved by the feeling of justice.
On August 20 2010 22:58 JWD wrote: 18 months jail time? For illegal betting? Wow Koreans have different notions of justice than Americans. That seems impossibly harsh to me.
Americans love throwing people into prison so it seems like on this Koreans and Americans have the same notion of justice.
On August 20 2010 22:58 JWD wrote: 18 months jail time? For illegal betting? Wow Koreans have different notions of justice than Americans. That seems impossibly harsh to me.
If that had happen in Football or basketball in US, it would have been long jail time too. American justice is ridiculously severe from what I know: percentage of jailed people is around ten time higher than any european country (more than 1% adult is in jail in US iirc).
What's really sad is that I do't think Savior or Justin ever really realized what they were doing and risking. I hope the court won't be too harsh.
ppl of public interest (with enough money) dont go to jail in america. they can pay out their crimes. unfortunately i dont think progamers are millionaires.... otherwise...
I don't know anything about Korean prisons, but if they went into some state prisons, they would be the new women. A lot of the guys look feminine so it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for the convicts to have new playmates.
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