EPT[News] Prosecutors demand 18 months for Savior - Page 4
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Nilrem
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moopie
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On August 21 2010 08:46 Creationism wrote: Jesus Christ, type-b and go.go was in this too? A lot more players than I thought were involved. But MJY totally deserves this crap, such a slimbag. They've been known to be involved for ages, they apologized back when the accusations were being thrown. TBH I never really got mad when I found out about them like some people who disowned them immediately (fuck Savior for what he did though), they lost a lot more than they gained, and hopefully can move on with their lives. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
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foeffa
Belgium2115 Posts
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
Meanwhile, in the foreigner scene, you have plenty of people who've been caught using hacks and instead of being shunned by the community, their misdeeds are quickly forgotten and they're accepted into big name clans with news posts about how totally awesome they are. -_- | ||
Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
On August 21 2010 08:46 Creationism wrote: Jesus Christ, type-b and go.go was in this too? A lot more players than I thought were involved. But MJY totally deserves this crap, such a slimbag. Pretty much everyone on hite's A-team except for Leta and Horang2 were part of this. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On August 21 2010 09:59 DarkMatter_ wrote: Poor guys. I hope prison life isn't too harsh in Korea. I don't understand how people can be so callous and say "lol yeah they totally deserved it". What they did was wrong, but that doesn't mean they're terrible people who deserve to be in prison. Meanwhile, in the foreigner scene, you have plenty of people who've been caught using hacks and instead of being shunned by the community, their misdeeds are quickly forgotten and they're accepted into big name clans with news posts about how totally awesome they are. -_- This isn't about hacks. This isn't even really about starcraft. It's about illegal sports gambling in S.Korea and perjury. If you think this is just an issue because of a few Starcraft matches you missed the point. | ||
KwarK
United States44408 Posts
These people stole from fans who thought they were betting on a fair game. They abused the trust of the betters to help the betting websites steal their money in exchange for a share of the profit. 18 months is too lenient. Normal starcraft fans like you and I are the ones who lost money here because Savior used their trust in him to take their money. | ||
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
On August 21 2010 10:07 moopie wrote: This isn't about hacks. This isn't even really about starcraft. It's about illegal sports gambling in S.Korea and perjury. If you think this is just an issue because of a few Starcraft matches you missed the point. I realize that their crimes are much more severe and a severe punishment may be necessary to make sure that this never happens again, but that still doesn't change the fact that, as human beings, they are no worse than all the foreigners who've used hacks in tournaments and such. My issue is not about whether they should be sentenced to jail or not, but it's the complete lack of empathy that bothers me. | ||
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moopie
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On August 21 2010 10:16 DarkMatter_ wrote: I realize that their crimes are much more severe and a severe punishment may be necessary to make sure that this never happens again, but that still doesn't change the fact that, as human beings, they are no worse than all the foreigners who've used hacks in tournaments and such. My issue is not about whether they should be sentenced to jail or not, but it's the complete lack of empathy that bothers me. Using a hack in a tournament is not breaking state law, just the rules of the tournament. The worst that can happen to you is you will be banned from the tournament and shunned by the community. Breaking the law, such as participating in and promoting illegal gambling is not comparable in the least. | ||
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
On August 21 2010 10:13 KwarK wrote: I can't believe all the people saying this is too harsh or it was just throwing a few games. I can only assume they haven't considered the fact that this is game throwing within the context of fans betting on games. These people stole from fans who thought they were betting on a fair game. They abused the trust of the betters to help the betting websites steal their money in exchange for a share of the profit. 18 months is too lenient. Normal starcraft fans like you and I are the ones who lost money here because Savior used their trust in him to take their money. Since when did progamers have an obligation to gamblers? There are plenty of players who put no effort in some games simply because they don't give a crap. Would you consider that as abusing the trust of betters as well? The ones I feel truly sorry for are the teammates, coaches and managers who work their ass off only to have it gone to waste because one of the players decided to throw his game and reveal his teammates' strategies. | ||
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
On August 21 2010 10:21 moopie wrote: Using a hack in a tournament is not breaking state law, just the rules of the tournament. The worst that can happen to you is you will be banned from the tournament and shunned by the community. Breaking the law, such as participating in and promoting illegal gambling is not comparable in the least. Not comparable in what sense? It's not like I said the hackers should be put in jail. I'm talking about it from a moral standpoint. Do you feel that hacking and throwing games are not comparable in terms of morality? Why not? | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On August 21 2010 10:29 DarkMatter_ wrote: Not comparable in what sense? It's not like I said the hackers should be put in jail. I'm talking about it from a moral standpoint. Do you feel that hacking and throwing games are not comparable in terms of morality? Why not? Much like I don't put cheating in a game of Monopoly with your friends on the same level as defrauding investors in a ponzi scheme. Neither is ethical, but one doesn't stand to destroy the lives of others while the other is inherently malicious. Most forms of gambling (and sports betting) are illegal in Korea, this isn't about "oh, they threw this game" its about "oh, they participated in breaking state law in order to pocket some cash". S.Korea is making more of an example of them because of how mainstream this has become, but the issue isn't about Starcraft, nor about the individual players. edit: And just to sum up, I never said they were "terrible people", just that the ones pushing this on others, and by doing so increasing the gambling ring (like Savior and Justin), knew exactly what they were getting involved with, and deserve what they get. | ||
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
On August 21 2010 10:38 moopie wrote: Much like I don't put cheating in a game of Monopoly with your friends on the same level as defrauding investors in a ponzi scheme. Neither is ethical, but one doesn't stand to destroy the lives of others while the other is inherently malicious. Most forms of gambling (and sports betting) are illegal in Korea, this isn't about "oh, they threw this game" its about "oh, they participated in breaking state law in order to pocket some cash". S.Korea is making more of an example of them because of how mainstream this has become, but the issue isn't about Starcraft, nor about the individual players. When I said hacking, I meant hacking in tournaments, not in a random Bnet game (so I don't get the comparison with a monopoly game with my friends). You don't think people bet on matches in foreigner tournaments? You don't think it's terribly unfair to the other person who may have practiced his ass off for that game? BTW, I get that it's illegal in Korea and they want to make an example out of them. I've already stated that that's not my issue here. My problem is the complete lack of empathy from many of the posters here. Doing something illegal doesn't automatically make someone a horrible person who deserved no sympathy or understanding. | ||
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
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Philar
Hong Kong126 Posts
On August 21 2010 10:54 DarkMatter_ wrote: It may be necessary that they go to jail (for reasons already discussed), but IMO, they don't deserve it. Outside of their crimes, they all seem like decent kids, certainly not the type of people that belong in prison. Subjecting them to prison life isn't going to make them better people, I hope people realize that. pretty sure they deserve it im a nice guy but i have happened to murder a couple of people "by mistake", can i get an exemption? | ||
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
Also, I didn't say they should be given an exemption. It may be necessary that they go to jail so that something similar never happens again, but that is the only reason. They are not horrible people that should be isolated from normal society, nor are they the kind of people who need to be locked up in prison to be reformed. In that regard, I don't feel they deserve it. It's an unfortunate necessity, I wish people would just leave it at that instead of going "fuck yeah those scumbags are finally getting what they deserve". EDIT: Ok, admittedly, no one said anything as harsh as the above, but I still wish people were a bit more sympathetic. | ||
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BadWithNames
United States441 Posts
In one of the translated after talks (thanks guys) the official said they caught 1 site out of 40 and that Kespa couldn't really do anything about it at their level. There has to be a way to get public action against sites that generate the easy money that would be tempting to anyone who's offered it, especially kids. | ||
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whoseline
Canada29 Posts
if they aren't "horrible" people, like you say, then just serve the sentence (which i doubt they'll get the full one anyway), come out and start your new life. i actually have huge respect for people who learn their lesson, do the time, and come back out and lead a great normal life. | ||
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Taekwon
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