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Lightwip United States5497 Posts July 04 2010 06:23 GMT #21 On July 04 2010 15:09 Spyfire242 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 04 2010 15:05 Lightwip wrote: On July 04 2010 14:58 hacpee wrote: A map with no gas. Rofl... you're right though. I think terran would be almost 100% win on a map with no gas... Cannons beg to differ.

ejac United States1195 Posts July 04 2010 06:24 GMT #22 On July 04 2010 15:09 Spyfire242 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 04 2010 15:05 Lightwip wrote: On July 04 2010 14:58 hacpee wrote: A map with no gas. Rofl... you're right though. I think terran would be almost 100% win on a map with no gas... No, terran would be unplayable. The game would devolve into static D vs. static D, and bunkers without range upgrade are outranged by sunkens/cannons.

Lightwip United States5497 Posts July 04 2010 06:33 GMT #23 A map with no gas would have to have HG so small that cannons/spores could reach it for our BM friend Idra though. Honestly, PvT advantages are often ZvP advantages as well though.

sechkie United States334 Posts July 04 2010 06:33 GMT #24 lol we should totally have a game where no one is allowed to get gas lol! seems fun lol

infinity2k9 United Kingdom2397 Posts July 04 2010 07:15 GMT #25 BGH

ilbh Brazil1606 Posts July 04 2010 08:47 GMT #26 gaia at least for ZvP: P can abuse of air harass, easy to defend nat and third, open in the middle...

Ideas United States8178 Posts July 04 2010 08:56 GMT #27 medusa was pretty good for protoss. pretty much all the maps from the clubday/incruit days lol

exeexe Denmark937 Posts July 04 2010 08:56 GMT #28 A destructible building blocking entrance - thats good in pvz Then add features around the building so that you can pylon jump it with a probe.

Neon_Monkey United States270 Posts July 04 2010 09:46 GMT #29 An island map without enough land for heavy dropship play would probably do it.

Djin)ftw( Germany3357 Posts July 04 2010 11:15 GMT #30 it would be an island map dire straitsNeo Hall of ValhallaGorky Island

darkemperor Turkey725 Posts July 04 2010 11:36 GMT #31 On July 04 2010 20:15 Djin)ftw( wrote: it would be an island map dire straitsNeo Hall of ValhallaGorky Island These remind me that we need island maps now..

Holgerius Sweden16951 Posts July 04 2010 11:41 GMT #32 Vs T it's great when the terrain isn't buildable.

ArvickHero 10387 Posts July 04 2010 12:14 GMT #33 Add an unbuildable center and surround the bases with a cliff (like Medusa) that is unbuildable (but walkable) for Reaver harass/recall to make PvT imba. Pretty sure an inbase min-only third (like Andro) w/ lots of mineral patches would help Protoss, but I'm not too sure on that one. Add some islands w/ double gas and good space to build cannons. A second entrance blocked by mineral patches benefits Protoss when they are contained, but be sure to add a lot so that it can't be mined out early for some Zerg cheese. Have like 13 or more mineral patches in the main to make PvZ easy. The center should have a couple of structures to keep it from being too open, ala Fighting Spirit or Neo Requiem. That's pretty much all I can think of that would make a map universally imba for Protoss. Maybe making the map a semi-island like Troy or Plasma would make it worse

Servius_Fulvius United States947 Posts July 04 2010 12:24 GMT #34 http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/maps/162_Katrina + Show Spoiler + The balance is a lot more extreme for PvZ rather than PvT, but it's protoss-favored on both accounts

Necosarius Sweden4042 Posts July 04 2010 12:43 GMT #35 The reason Katrina is so P>T is because terrans had such a hard time dealing with the fast carriers, now they don't since Flash came up with the build that would be the standard type of play now. So if progamers would play on katrina again I think the balance would be more T=P. What's so funny about Katrina is that everyone cried about "omfg siege tank imba, terran heaven". IMO in PvT a very open map with long rush distance and hard to secure third base and no ramp would be P>T.

KlaCkoN Sweden1661 Posts July 04 2010 12:52 GMT #36 Katrina was always a lot harder for zvp rather than tvp ~~ Huge distance made expanding really hard. I guess that's key for a protoss map in general, keep the expansions and mains really far apart and hard to defend. Islands are nice too.

Strelok Ukraine320 Posts July 04 2010 12:53 GMT #37 Troy and 815 are best protoss maps in every matchup. Oh also i forgot about forbidden zone

opsayo 591 Posts July 04 2010 13:07 GMT #38 isn't neo forbidden zone toss favored?

niteReloaded Croatia5282 Posts July 04 2010 13:11 GMT #39 Back in my old (banned) account, almost 4 years ago, I made a thread about the impossibily to making Protoss favored maps for all matchups. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=46467

Leath Canada1724 Posts July 04 2010 13:26 GMT #40 The perfect protoss map would have to be a map where the larger open areas are placed so that it favors a protoss defending terran main timing attacks, all the while with strategic choke points to prevent zerg from keeping map control too easily. The bases cant be too far, and a third base could be place around the first one (like Longinus), so that you can easily defend your surrounding edges all the while keeping your main safe from drops. There should be a relative easy non-main base with 2 geyser, since Protoss will most likely require a lot of gas investment in mid and late game. Protoss High Templar and Archons are hardest units to fight against as Zerg. Arbiters and High Templar are very powerful to diminish the Terran army. Therefore, a Protoss with a lot of gas can become strong quickly. The natural expansion entrance should be easy to narrow. In that fashion, the Protoss can easily FE and prevent lings run-by and mid game vulture raids. I think that is about it. Longinus, Troy and Katrina are possibly the best maps for Protoss.

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