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Stimey, i understand what u want to say.. But listen to me, plz..
Hack = Program, that changes memory data [fe. reveals map] = advantage
3rd party program = Program, that modifies data DURNING connection between games or BNet.
Yes, this application is giving a little bit advantage to nonskilled players.
Blizzard is suggesting everything a hack, what it not its own creation..
In fact, if we release it, it is not our point of being that it will be used on any competition or not, you cannot say, you only guess (i think so too, no matter  . This application is here to help all the people to play better, to improve themselves in BW and have more fun from gaming.
Customizing keys are in all games, take a look to history, like ZX Spectrum? Every game used to have ::DEFINE KEYS:: Think about this.
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This software isn't modifying the game, it's modifying how you interact with the game.
I would possibly use it but I cannot be certain of tournament endorsement so I'm probably not going to.
This program should be released, many people would have fun with it.
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Man, that makes perfect sense. Okkayyyy, durrrr, the program is not made by blizzard nor supported and it gives players an advantage. It edits starcraft files, but since it only edits them while the game isn't running, it's not a hack.
OHHHH wait! This just in! If you hardcode maphack into the exe, it's legit! since a hack is only something that modifies the game while running!
Letting other players have an advantage over me is not letting me have more fun, kinda like..you guessed it, letting someone maphack vs me, getting an advantage, is no fun either, no matter how marginal
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On April 27 2004 17:32 hasuwar wrote:
Letting other players have an advantage over me is not letting me have more fun, kinda like..you guessed it, letting someone maphack vs me, getting an advantage, is no fun either, no matter how marginal
Then we'd better disallow the use of any hardware (gamepads or keyboards) that help people gain an advantage over you. That means, of course, that there should be a standardized SC keyboard, probably the Korean version, that every SC player will have to use because, damn it, my German keyboard has P over on the left, so I have an advantage over your silly American keyboard.
This tool, because it will be available to EVERYONE for FREE, will let everyone have the same advantage that the people who invest money into game-enhancing hardware already have. How can that possibly be a bad thing?
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Djetter, you are such an idiot. Go read some other posts.. USING A DIFFERENT KEYBOARD IS NOT EDITING THE FILES. STOP POSTING.
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On April 27 2004 17:58 hasuwar wrote:
Djetter, you are such an idiot. Go read some other posts.. USING A DIFFERENT KEYBOARD IS NOT EDITING THE FILES. STOP POSTING.
Double standards.
The method that Lasgo uses to attain INCREASED EQUALITY doesn't matter. Is it any different if I edit Windows files to modify my keys? Or if I buy a keyboard to place the keys where I want without modifying anything? The result in Brood War will be 100% identical. You're just dogmatically reciting the Blizzard anthem that any modification of the program whatsoever is a hack. Open your eyes. Is every killing murder? Or are there shades of grey?
I kept personal attacks out of my posts, and I'd ask you to do the same. Also, if you don't possess the intellectual means with which to defend your "point," don't even try.
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Modifying ur keys is just PROFESSIONAL... I don't see any objections about using it. Even if i'm Z players i would surelly use it to make P to S like others said. And eventually some keys far from my left hand.
It's not considered a cheat, since everybody uses it (even in professional sports when u sees better shoes on football or better protections for goal keepers or better rackets in tennis or better motor engines in formula1 and many more...
U're just stupid if u considers it a hack... -_-
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this is just fucking plain stupid, some are arguing the points that this is a good program since it simplifies all the hussle with keyboard layouts while others are picking at how they view the statements.
The point is it simplifies what can be done legitimatelly according to the terms and rest is irrelevant because there are many ways of doing it. Its like arguing that lurkers on hold are a cheat but you can always press stop continuously and achieve same result - thus if something can be done legitimatelly in one way, simplifying it doesnt make it a cheat.
I wont be surprised if some smart fella throws at me a statement that all units should be controlled with one click. Yeah thats in the same boat.
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Sheeeeeeeeesh...
Go download RemapKey for WinXP, remap your keyboard layout and stop whining. This program does basically that, only in BW. I was judge during the Polish Championships held recently, and one of the members of the winning 2v2 team used a remapped keyboard. I allowed that... why should I not if I allow people with keyboard w/taken out keys?
Blizzard has made KeyCraft an official part of The Frozen Throne, and it does EXACTLY that - modify hotkeys. It wasn't present from the start, but once some people made KeyCraft for W3, Blizzard implemented it. So that shows they don't believe remapping hotkeys is cheating, at least.
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I don't see anything wrong with this. Blizzards policies are meaningless, its not like they still care about the game. Just think of it as an ergonomics patch
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On April 27 2004 17:16 Ashur wrote: Customizing keys are in all games, take a look to history, like ZX Spectrum? Every game used to have ::DEFINE KEYS:: Think about this.
where the option to play starcraft with the kempston joystick though o.0 btw this program is not a hack , good job lasgo
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how is this going to be released?
release this now ^^
sounds pretty good.
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of course its not cheating.
1. blizzard did the same thing for wc3.
2. you can do basically the same thing without this program ( which is a hassle ).
end of discussion. those of you that dont like it, dont use it.
great work guys, release asap
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omg, this program sounds sexy.
I been a Terran player all my life mainly because they keys are closer together and easier for me. Maybe now I can start getting better with P and Z.
Please release
Its people like you guys who make the sc community oh so much better.
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Hasuwar ~
When you use a keyboard with a different key position configuration if you do not install its driver it will not work properly. Thus you do edit 'files'. Neither this program nor keyboard drivers modify any file in Starcraft that BLizzard does not already permit to modify.
Blizzard allows the file patch_rt.mpq. This is also why Blizzard allows MOD's till today. By insulting fellow forums members you only belittle yourself.
Third party programs need to modify stacraft files other than .mpq to be considered a 'hack'. Blizzard has debated for a while to disallow modificiation of this file group but has yet to make a decision on the issue. MOD creators have been making MODS 4 years so far without sanction from BLizzard. In fact ~ they sponsor several sites that host these MODS that have tampered with the same file Ashur's and Lasgo program changes.
This program, in so far the function it promises, is to present day legal any way you look at it.
As for the "idiots" you make mention ~ they, we, are the same people that game with you, read your posts and watch your RWA's.
Entropy Aka Physician 
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I don't think I've ever played a game with anyone from TL.net :O
Alright, I can respect mod makers. If blizzard condones that, cool. Point me to where it says that it's open season to edit the files like that.
I emailed Blizzard yesterday about this kind of program, I'm still waiting for a response.
As for me calling people idiots, they are. All of the people who tried to relate a faster mouse, a better mouse, a different keyboard, to a program that edits starcraft files to change hotkeys within the game are idiots
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On April 27 2004 22:57 hasuwar wrote:
I don't think I've ever played a game with anyone from TL.net :O
Alright, I can respect mod makers. If blizzard condones that, cool. Point me to where it says that it's open season to edit the files like that.
I emailed Blizzard yesterday about this kind of program, I'm still waiting for a response.
As for me calling people idiots, they are. All of the people who tried to relate a faster mouse, a better mouse, a different keyboard, to a program that edits starcraft files to change hotkeys within the game are idiots
You've played against me -__________-;;;;;
Also it seems the circular logic which I attempted to close with my post earlier in the thread continues =[
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If I did, you don't use that name, you didn't say who you were, and we didn't play as a result of talking on tl.net
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
Misguided arrogance and insulting your fellow gamers who have made many rather intelligent opinions from what I have read ~ sigh 
From http://www.blizzard.com/inblizz/genfaq.shtml:
How does Blizzard feel about StarCraft Total Conversions, or Diablo mods?
We've seen some very polished and fun conversions for our games, and have no problems with total conversions, so long as they are for personal use and do not infringe our End User License Agreement included in our games, nor the rights of any other parties including copyrights, trademarks or other rights. If you have any other legal questions regarding Blizzard Entertainment or our products, please see our Legal FAQ at
http://www.blizzard.com/legalfaq.shtml
There is only one way to make a MOD or total conversion ~ modifying, tampering, changing, editing the mpq group files
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak aloud and remove all doubt.
I shall remain silent now my fellow gamers lest I fall in Hasuwar's same predicament.
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