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On April 27 2004 17:32 hasuwar wrote:
Man, that makes perfect sense. Okkayyyy, durrrr, the program is not made by blizzard nor supported and it gives players an advantage. It edits starcraft files, but since it only edits them while the game isn't running, it's not a hack.
OHHHH wait! This just in! If you hardcode maphack into the exe, it's legit! since a hack is only something that modifies the game while running!
u have learn more about hacks and cheats then u dont say stupities.
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From http://www.blizzard.com/inblizz/genfaq.shtml:
How does Blizzard feel about StarCraft Total Conversions, or Diablo mods?
We've seen some very polished and fun conversions for our games, and have no problems with total conversions, so long as they are for personal use and do not infringe our End User License Agreement included in our games, nor the rights of any other parties including copyrights, trademarks or other rights. If you have any other legal questions regarding Blizzard Entertainment or our products, please see our Legal FAQ at
http://www.blizzard.com/legalfaq.shtml
k.... yet they still closed down the warcraft 3 total conversion ? maybe they did cos it sucked so much...
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The funny thing is that everyone who says this is a hack is also stating that APM = Skill.
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As has been said before this is not a hack. There are different keyboard configurations for different countries. This means the key set up was NEVER even for everyone. These changes can be made without editing any bw files...this is just an easier way to do it.
Will it help someone in a game? Yes, as did people using an optical mouse when I had a broken ball mouse. Does it matter that it will effect lan play? I recall a poll on wgtour that showed something like 70% of wgtour players had never been to a lan, I'd have to double check to be sure about this. This tells me that most of us have no desire to ever play at a land, and essentially nobody here is ever going to make money playing bw. The 1% of TL that has made some amounts of money playing are not going to be suddenly raped by people who have modified keys, especially since this option has been available to the BW community for some time now. There is also a dossier on wgtour about how to change key configurations already. This just makes doing so easier. It has also been explained that most pro's do no use normal keyboards, so arguing from that stand point is completely flawed. Everyone wants to be the next boxer or nada or what ever it seems. Well if you do you'll never get there playing with a normal keyboard in the first place.
This is a video game and most people play it for fun. Hacking defeats the nature of the game. Other hacks alter the actual game, or they effect your connections to bnet. These hacks effect your opponents enjoyment of the game. It is not particularly fun to expo and have an army ready to counter it, or have an unscouted drop find out that the enemy had his whole army ready to stop it. It's not fun to have an e-bay crush your buildings, or have an enemy who makes 50 cannons all on top of each other. Similarly many bugs in the game that were abused took the fun out of playing. Drone floating to islands in a zvz for example effects the nature of the game. Drop hackers are annoying and once again make playing bw less enjoyable others. In contrast this much like a bigger monitor, better mouse, faster/smaller keyboard, or say having a way to talk to your ally instead of typing improves your enjoyment of the game without effecting your enemy. Having a high speed connection helps improve your game because you can play on low latency and that makes your micro better.
APM live could be considered a hack. BW Coach could be called a hack. Largo's op3 could be called a hack (new version that isn't sort of a MH). Reality is non of these take away from the enjoyment of the game by the other player and non give you some super human advantage.
Everything that makes playing a little bit easier is NOT a bad thing. This game is not perfect. There is room for improvement, after all the game is 6 years old. The game has not seen any major changes to it like this since replays were added (and some of you are STILL complaining about that). Honestly go back to the original warcraft or something. You know I think patrol and attack move take skill out of the game. Units shouldn't attack anything unless you tell them to. That way everyone will have to micro manage every single aspect of the game. Perhaps workers shouldn't return to the building and it would be great if we had to micro everyone of them to the minerals and back to the main.
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there are different key configurations for other countries. there are ways to do this in windows. neither of those is hack. this program is. geniuses. there is a hack way to do this, and a non-hack way. also when you choose to use other country's keysz its not ideal, they all have tradeoffs. if you remap your keys with windows you have to reboot.
for those of you who think you would get to use your own computer at wcg, or any reputable offline event, grow a flower.
if you think i said this hack (3rd party SOFTWARE used for convenience in-game playing easier/better the opponent will not have unless they use it) lets you use macros, please read any one of my posts more carefully before deciding to disagree with it. none of you have said shit to my arguments, despite i have pretty much answered all of yours multiple times.
if you think this is not a hack simply because it lets you do what you could do in other games or "should be able to do" in sc or "already can do without using a hack", uh, those arguments are all completely unsound and i think ive already given counter-examples to disprove all of those logics so wtf.. go harvest some chicken.
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On April 28 2004 08:55 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote:
there are different key configurations for other countries. there are ways to do this in windows. neither of those is hack. this program is. geniuses. there is a hack way to do this, and a non-hack way. also when you choose to use other country's keysz its not ideal, they all have tradeoffs. if you remap your keys with windows you have to reboot.
for those of you who think you would get to use your own computer at wcg, or any reputable offline event, grow a flower.
if you think i said this hack (3rd party SOFTWARE used for convenience in-game playing easier/better the opponent will not have unless they use it) lets you use macros, please read any one of my posts more carefully before deciding to disagree with it. none of you have said shit to my arguments, despite i have pretty much answered all of yours multiple times.
if you think this is not a hack simply because it lets you do what you could do in other games or "should be able to do" in sc or "already can do without using a hack", uh, those arguments are all completely unsound and i think ive already given counter-examples to disprove all of those logics so wtf.. go harvest some chicken.
According to your logic Notepad is a hack... That program has been out a good deal longer than starcraft.
Your arguments doesn't hold up, let it go.
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Dude who gives a shit, it let's you customize controls. Big fucking deal. Grow a flower yourself and pin it in hasuwar's hair. Have fun frolicking. Jesus.
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uh.. rplant. if you think my logic says notepad is a hack... u suck at thinking.
if u use notepad to play sc, then.. wait. let me just stop right there
wtf does notepad have to do with sc? notepad is 3rd party adding features to sc while u play? hhuh.. wait.. no
uhm... notepad...
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Never said anything about notepad... you suck at reading.
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On April 28 2004 09:06 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote:
uh.. rplant. if you think my logic says notepad is a hack... u suck at thinking.
if u use notepad to play sc, then.. wait. let me just stop right there
wtf does notepad have to do with sc? notepad is 3rd party adding features to sc while u play? hhuh.. wait.. no
uhm... notepad...
Notepad = As a basic text editor could probably be used to change key config in patch_rt.mpq
Starkey = Can be used to change key config in patch_rt.mpq
Difference? It's a hell of a lot more work to use a basic kind of editior.
Here's a link where you can edit them yourself, allthough it uses helpfull editing programs so it's easier.
http://www.starcraftgamers.com/articles.php?i=a&id=1
So basically, this program does the same thing as other editing tools, only it automates the difficult parts for you.
If your really good at programing you can probably do this with almost no tools, using Notepad as an editor.
A somewhat computer literate person can probably do it with the help of that guide and the avalible editing tools.
Anyone can do it with keycraft.
But it's still the same thing.
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if it is just a simple editable file somewhere and it works then i guess its not a hack. i was thinking it modified it in memory temporarily like the old mpq programs did. if you can modify this file any way you want and then bnet has no problem with it, then its fine. i was thinking some kind of loader and shit was involved to get it to work on bnet. if none of the protections stop it already, it's just editing a config, altho a pretty obscure one. so i was wrong, despite all of u logic sucks. cuddlycutekiddedn made good post. the rest of u eat flower
lasgo says its not just simple editing a file tho. hm.
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Repeat , keycraft no is a hack ,map hack is a hack and cheat program no all cheat programs are hacks.
Then the question is :
is keycraft a cheat? NO , it is a utility for configure a program ,much programs have utilities for make it better but no all are of program creator .
u can use in lan tournament ? yes ,i go with my own patch_rt.mpq and locall.dll files and i put it in starcraft directory then i have configured starcraft for my ,other ppl install and configure u mouse ,keyboard,install u version starcraft why cant i put my own configuration ?
i have played lan tournaments in Spain and in any i have used my own keys in other i played with BW spanish keys in other with BW england keys ,result? same position in all tournaments if u think u will win with keycraft u are wrong it only is a very little help ,if u think u will do a lot of apm more u wrong u will do 10-12 apm more ,
starcraft is a strategy game NO apm skill game .
Then what is problem? problem is that anyone make a program for do it easy only by hobby . Lasgo and ashur want to do it ,why stupid child put problems ? all ppl have to thank they by u work and dont say stupidities .
I dont understand why ppl lost time to do things for this stupid community ,always problems never thanks  ((((((
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On April 28 2004 08:55 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote:
use other country's keysz its not ideal, they all have tradeoffs. if you remap your keys with windows you have to reboot.
Can you be my "C0mPuT0rZZZ !!!!11!!1!" teacher please? If you wouldn't have told me, I would have just done without reboot, which is obviously bad manners.... Thanks for spreading your wisdom over the internet it's always good to listen to people who really know what they're talking about.
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the others just didn't think, that it was needed to be explained so childish...
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Calling this a hack is ridiculous. You may as well argue that one person having a smaller keyboard or a larger hand that has an easier time hitting 'p' is an unfair advantage because it's not the exact same distance to reach for every person. This program is awesome and gives bw the much needed customizability that every other game these days has. What's wrong with that? You have to press the same amount of keys to do something.
Navigating the keyboard is not part of bw "skill" no matter what people say. That's not memorizing hotkeys, it's having to use cumbersome hotkeys that aren't in ideal positions for everybody. Why not let everyone choose what hotkey they want to use for something?
Every game you play these days you customize the keys for. Does everyone in the world hack at counter-strike because they have slightly different keys than you? Granted, this is a program not sanctioned by blizzard to do that, but it still does the same thing, and the only reason you can't do it in SC is because it's so old and bliz doesn't care about it anymore.
anyone who thinks this is a hack is an anal moron. Good work lasgo
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lot of bad arguments here i was glad to refute them. use a sound argument or dont use one at all.
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Stimey what CuddlyCuteKitten said was said more than 3 times before. It has been explained that this is simply editing a file and that there are guides on how to do it yourself on places such as wgtour (I said it even). Don't complain that people can't argue because you were skimming over posts or just weren't understanding what was said.
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Look. If you have the right expertise you can remap the keys yourself, which is just as 'illegal' as changing your mouse speed/acceleration. With this program, everyone gets to be at a more equal level, as even the ones without enough keyboard expertise can change the keys.
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this isnt hack :D good software :D gogo
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