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Excalibur_Z
United States12281 Posts
On April 27 2004 23:09 hasuwar wrote: If I did, you don't use that name, you didn't say who you were, and we didn't play as a result of talking on tl.net Oh yeah I was using ZergTerranAbuse (partner TerranZergAbuse) and I can't remember if I introduced myself. Your partner was DarkReligion. We played out of coincidence. And we won 2-1  | ||
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Amnesty
United States2054 Posts
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hasuwar
7365 Posts
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fender-pro
Estonia208 Posts
On April 27 2004 17:58 hasuwar wrote: Djetter, you are such an idiot. Go read some other posts.. USING A DIFFERENT KEYBOARD IS NOT EDITING THE FILES. STOP POSTING. Man, he just answered on ur utterance about disadvantage u'll get if someone changes button's site, not about editing. You better read ur own posts before insulting ppl. When u r talking about considering this stuff as a 3rd party program, i can understand ur point, coz i don't know shit in it. But "getting advantage over me" is quite funny to read coz u already play with many, many guys who have set their keyboards pretty much more comfortable than ur one. And afterall, as someone already said: understanding of the game, good strats and timing r things, which do u better. | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
blizzard didnt make this feature for sc. if you get used to this feature, u wont be able to use it in any offline competition. good offline players will not use it. but you will use it against them. you will press things faster than they will ever be able to press. maybe it won't matter much, but that shouldn't be for us to decide. maybe some newbie thinks map hack wouldn't matter much either, for example. the point is, you're using it because it helps your game. other people can't use it because blizz and all offline competition won't allow it so they don't want to get used to it. you using it gives you an advantage and forces opponents to use it to compete. wait i think i already posted this point. oh well i guess i needed to again. if blizzard supported this and give it publicity and included it in the next patch, it wouldn't be a hack. the sc standard is blizzard. when sc makes a new patch, everyone plays it. no one debates which version to play. there are no 1.04 or 1.03 or 1.00 leagues anymore are there? and just the same, there will be no league for people who want to use this hack, just a minority of people using it, gaining whatever insigificant advantage against whoever plays them and probably will never quite be sure how you press such difficult keys so quickly yet suck (since anyone who might ever play an offline competition will not bother fucking with software to get keys how they want). | ||
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rplant
United States1178 Posts
Using a customized patch_rt.mpq is like having a preset config.ini for CS... | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
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rplant
United States1178 Posts
 ]Lots of people don't bother changing their keys even when the game has a built in facility for it. The people who do may have an "advantage" because the value they place on the convenience of custom keys outweighs the minor (for them) hassle of configuring them. Similarly, those people who feel that downloading a hotkey customizer is too much of a hassle can simply not use it in the same way that people who didn't want to configure the gamei launcher wouldn't play gamei. WTF!?!?! People who play on gamei get to play with more skilled people! That gives them an advantage!!!! People are being forced to download unrelated software in order to improve at the game!!!?!!? Call it whatever you want, I'm not going to bother with semantics especially when people have their own definitions for everything--some people were even saying this isn't a third party program. When it comes down to it, all this program will do is allow people to configure controls in the same way that you can for similar games made by the same company, and many many other computer games. No big deal in my opinion, and it's nice to see someone release this when the company that developed the game won't ever do it. [/ ] | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
hack lol, whatever, don't be so fucking paranoid all the time | ||
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Yang
Lithuania231 Posts
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Yang
Lithuania231 Posts
+ it would give to game more balance, because every race will play their best and hotkeys would not limit their actions. Now zerg imho has much better hotkey placement than terr. | ||
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hasuwar
7365 Posts
 ..he was using those examples to contrast starcraft and wc3.. | ||
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fender-pro
Estonia208 Posts
On April 28 2004 01:57 hasuwar wrote: Stimey is the only one who DOES understand what this program does.. ..he was using those examples to contrast starcraft and wc3.. Ofcourse HE does.. coz he shares YOUR opinion. | ||
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Amnesty
United States2054 Posts
If i remapped them for BW reasons, i wouldnt need to change any BW file. Secondly, some people think people will gain an advantage. It seems to me the people who are happy as clam with the defaults have an advantage over the people who find the defualts awkward as hell. Bw shouldnt be a dextarity contest. Thirdly, there are other ways through hardware people can gain an actual advantage. But because its hardware, its not a hack so you have to STFU and let them continue on. Drawing the line here, i just find it strange. And im not talking about the special SC keyboard either. | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2917 Posts
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Ilintar
Poland794 Posts
As I pointed out, this argument is flawed. "blizzard didnt make this feature for sc." Blizzard didn't make this feature for W3 either, only when some other person did it and it got accepted did Blizzard integrate it in TFT. Hasuwar, your "modifying files" argument is totally wrong from the technical point of view and yet you're calling other people idiots. Installing mouse drivers is modifying system files too. Installing RemapKey or other keymapping utility that allows you to remap your keys (eg. have 8 9 0 instead of q w e) for BW modifies system files too. Does it have to modify SC files? One of the olders ways of disconnecting has to do with dropping your internet connection... it doesn't modify any SC files, yet is commonly regarded as abuse. And, as someone pointed out, people have been making total conversions / MOD's and Blizzard hasn't deemed them as a hack. People have been changing StarCraft sounds, Blizz even gave a utility to help them and it's not considered as hack, though you could argue it gives players an advantage if eg. the sound of burying lurkers would be much louder or simply different (a beep accompanying it). The world is not black and white, like someone said, there are shades of gray. And insulting other people just because they do not agree with you is not a sign of maturity. | ||
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IceLeY
Germany121 Posts
In the german version the commands in the starport menu 'build science vessel' and 'select waypoint' have the same key. | ||
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Piccolo
Chile621 Posts
I wouldn't use it, because i am already used to the standard, but i don't mind if my oponent use it, even if he raise his apm from 120 to 180... I DON'T care, I like my oponents to play as confortable as i feel, if they can be faster with another configuration... go for it! i don't mind... starcraft is a RTS... Strategy! not a DDR Machine where you have to be that fast... of corse speed will help you... so if you can be faster with another configuration... go for it, i don't mind... I don't think i can be faster with another key configuration... and if i could... i don't care. SC/BW it's a game... i don't care to lose, i'm not going to live of this, and if i lose, my pc it's not gonna explode. I hate when i beat some guy in Street Fighter and he blame the button configuration... so if you want to set your own... and that is going to raise your level, make you faster, make you accurate, please do it. This program will not just help to raise the level of multiplayer game, but also to help the game to stay alive a little longer, to make it more competitive, and to finish excuses like "i lost because the "P" for probe it's far away..." "I can't use my french keyboard", etc. So bring it on! | ||
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