I was just wondering if you guys and gals had a specific commentator that you keep going back to when watching bw or sc2, and if so why?
My personal fav is Moletrap. I have sentimental reasons for doing this, and more logical. My sentimental reason: I actually stumbled on to one of his vids on youtube because I was looking up sc2 stuff about a year ago. I'd been playing bw for years (nothing serious, just casual) and I had no idea that professional sc existed or there was such a large community around it. It was actually watching on of his vids that I found out about team liquid in the first place.
My logical reason: Moletrap has the most character out of any commentator i've listened to. Pretty much every vid he does has him bullshitting with himself, and us, about how the player is in a slump, or playing hot right now, or even how moletrap is steaming veggies on the stove while he is recording this, or letting us know that his hours have been cut back at work. I really dig the fact that he ramble in a way that entertains me way beyond the game. All the commentators can add tension with the play by play of a big battle or explain to me why the forge fast expand works really well on this map, but very few can take the dull moments of a game and liven em up like moletrap. One final thought I should put in, in general duel commentaries are the best, and nobody does duel comms better that Moletrap and Diggity, love those guys.
So, who are ya'll's favourites?
ps, this is my first thread on TL and I'm not sure it is in the right place. If it isn't I apologize, and I'll try to fix it, thanks
i liked cholera a lot. he had a really nice voice and showed a really nice personality. when i was getting into the game i listened to the other youtube guys A LOT but once i got good at starcraft their senseless "analysis" started to annoy me way too much day9 is, for me, the obvious best. i learned quite a bit from him even when i already had a good understanding of the game. and the way he tells his rl stories is SO AMAZINGLY FUNNY :D. and i mean SO AMAZINGLY FUNNY. + Show Spoiler +
so FREAKING AMAZINGLY FUNNY
edit: Oh and i forgot NukeTheStars. he's just so chilling to listen to. i often fall asleep to his videos. when i miss to watch an OSL game live i always watch it on his channel
speaking of chilling, Chill has a very cool voice and the things he says always (or at least mostly) make sense artosis is good too but kinda.. repetitive? i don't know how to call it but i hope you know what i mean and i really enjoyed tasteless @ gomtv invitational and ESPECIALLY the wcgs before that but he got a bit plain after that to be honest
CholeraSC was awesome. He was absolutely hilarious and gave the progamers personalities which they didn't have or couldn't show. Really great for newbies.
Diggity has the best voice. He is just so calm, that you could listen to Starcraft in your sleep.
Husky is my favourite for sure though. I followed him when he just started, and man, was he hilarious. He sounds like Cholera, but he's better at Starcraft.
Day[9] is of course the best for high-level matches so that you can appreciate the game on multiple levels.
Day9 alone but I think he lacks Flare with more people. I like ARtosis too but Moletrap is how I learned about TL so he gets credit too. Pretty much all other commentators lack game knowledge like Husky for example. But atleast his voice is nice.
i used to love klaz and cholera until i started getting atleast decent at bw. Ive always hated mole and rise, i have no idea why people think rise is funny. Artosis is my favorite because just like day9, i learn somthing knew from him every time he commentates but unlike day9, he is terran biased.
hd has a really nice sounding voice but his bw commentaries were pretty ignorant.
I loved cholera back when he was commentating along with rise and moletrap. At first I wasn't a fan of diggity but later down the track I really started to like his commentary so he's also a favorite. Pretty much those 4 are my favorites and of course day9 + tasteless.
I think HD is nice and when hes with Husky I enjoy it just as much. I also like Chill if only he had a better mic because he's always talking with static or something. The duo's were good such as tasteless + artosis and day9 + chill. I haven't listened to them aside from day9 do solo so no comment on their solo abilities. And I loved tasteless and superdanielman =]
Honestly, the Klaz. For analysis he wasn't always "ON" (understatement?) but he had SO much passion and his play by play was just so damn exciting! I always thought that if you combined his flair with Day[9]'s analytical commentary, it would be amazing. Also, who else would bring up an Oedipus complex during a Flash vs Boxer game?
On June 07 2010 15:16 Mactavian wrote: Moletrap has the most character out of any commentator i've listened to. Pretty much every vid he does has him bullshitting with himself, and us, about how the player is in a slump, or playing hot right now, or even how moletrap is steaming veggies on the stove while he is recording this, or letting us know that his hours have been cut back at work.
Personally its stuff like that i DONT want to hear, should i be watching a commentary, but each for his own i guess.
Combat-ex/Klazart/Moletrap/Cholera/Diggity, all fall in the same category. The only casters I really enjoy listening to more than korean commentators shouting about all sorts of little things, are tasteless, day9 and chill. I'd say husky but he does that h to the usky husky thing and it makes me grit my teeth each time i hear it
Day9 bar none. I love his strategic understanding. What I like even more is that he doesn't commentate like his thoughts on strategy are the only correct ones. He questions stuff but rarely judges. HDH have some issues with this. I like their enthusiasm but their strategic understanding isn't very high, which is fine, but then with that limited strategic understanding they are very judgmental on players' strategies. As a player it is sometimes painful to hear the commentator burning someones strategy like he is some idiot, and even more so when the strategy is actually viable.
For me the CholeraSC & Rise duo was the best one, I really liked the chemistry between those two guys. One of their highlights has to be Yellow[Arnc] vs Backho commentary, although it is mainly just bullshitting about the players and what not.
Hite v Hwaseung S4: Yellow[arnc] v Backho 6/1/09 CholeraSC & Rise + Show Spoiler +
Park Sang Hyun from MBC. He makes one of the greatest yelling of all and always keeps the excitement up. Nal_rA is pretty funny too, along with the two chubby OGN commentators, I forgot their names but they always make a good show for the crowd.
Klazart is amazing, the main reason why i watch games with commentators is for entertainment. Not too much for insight(but sometimes it helps me with stuff i don't normally see) and Klazart is the best when it comes to entertaining commentaries and passion for the game
On June 07 2010 21:39 KinosJourney2 wrote: Klazart is amazing, the main reason why i watch games with commentators is for entertainment. Not too much for insight(but sometimes it helps me with stuff i don't normally see) and Klazart is the best when it comes to entertaining commentaries and passion for the game
Wish he will come back someday
Their passion for the game is why I used to enjoy all of the SC2GG commentators, who put in a ton of effort for the community for little reward. After the downtime from GOM and Tasteless, their commentaries were what kept me casually interested in pro Starcraft. I especially liked Cholera until he, ironically, died of dysentery. But really, I wish he'd come back or something.
Day9's BW shows were great, but I moved on when he moved on to SC2. Also, every commentator for the TSL was enjoyable. And the Korean commentators are so entertaining even my mom likes them.
Is that everybody? Maybe I just like Starcraft in general...
proleague korean commentators without a doubt, because even though i cant understand them, they are so enthusiastic about the match and scream out GG at the end. but the english commentators that IMO are the best are tasteless and husky.
On June 07 2010 19:27 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Day9 bar none. I love his strategic understanding. What I like even more is that he doesn't commentate like his thoughts on strategy are the only correct ones. He questions stuff but rarely judges. HDH have some issues with this. I like their enthusiasm but their strategic understanding isn't very high, which is fine, but then with that limited strategic understanding they are very judgmental on players' strategies. As a player it is sometimes painful to hear the commentator burning someones strategy like he is some idiot, and even more so when the strategy is actually viable.
I couldn't agree more with this, and very good example of this is the last game of HDH Final, when White-Ra places his forge at seemingly 'wrong' place, and HD goes onto how he doesn't know what White-Ra is doing, and that it's such a bad placing of a building and on on, and then White-Ra builds a plyon to the right, cannons on the bottom, places zealots to the left and perfectly walls himself in. Even when the player is doing something that looks obviously wrong, commentator should always leave them a room for some doubt, after all they are extremely good players, and there's a high chance they know what they are doing. So he could have gone and said something like 'I'm not sure why White-Ra placed that Forge where he did, doesn't really look like a good move, but hey, it's White-Ra, so let's see what he has in mind with that'.
I like Husky's style, but so far have enjoyed Day9+Chill commentating the most.
oh yeah the korean commentators like kangmin or kim carrier, im sure they do an awesome job cause they speak fast, thrilled and scream for excitement, like freaking out so hard, so theyre good, but i dont really speak korean, so when i watch proleague without english commentary i cant really appreciate the commentary (ok i can and i do but not in the way that i should, speaking korean that is) so i stick with the english guys here:
nukethestars above all of them, he has an awesome voice and really knows how to use it and he is so dedicated (his music videos and his hype vidoes are extremely good) and he is the funniest of them all, he seriously makes the best jokes (and IMPRESSIONS, dont forget IMPRESSIONS......... and JEADONG BEATBOX ;-D) around and his analyzing of the game is mostly always correct and insightful, not just where which unit is going, but also what the purpose of the used strategies and tactics are aaaand he often makes some scary foreshadowing so thats why i like him.
i also like ranshinda, good commentary and also pretty funny and dejavu, he is not making that many jokes but i watched some games he commentated where he just trashes the gamers because they literally make one big blunder after another and dejavus mind is flipping while commentating, its hilarious, so i like his criticism when a game makes really bad mistakes.
i started watching proleague with diggity (watched a lot of solo diggity stuff, and man this guy knows how to just talk...), cholera (reach fanboi, which a lot of people found annoying, but i found that funny somehow), klaz (he has this weird accent and talks rreeally fast but you can hear how addicted this guy was to starcraft) and moletrap (but i dont like moletrap at all, so i always avoided watching him, it was not only his voice, but his begging for moneys and his commentaries were pretty lame, he never had interesting stuff to say, so fucking annoying when he triple commentates with people that i like to listen to) but that seems to be over anyways now.
another one of my favorite duos is artosis with tasteless on TSL or WCG (or either one of them alongside superdanielman works also fantastic), amazing commentaries, too bad there arent that many commentaries made by that duo (i even watched them commentating on i believe it was philipine amateur league something, i dont really remember, but fun times nonetheless), day9 of course (for the best show and the most dedication), chill is also pretty cool and gretorp too, they make for good casting duos with d9.
On June 07 2010 19:27 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Day9 bar none. I love his strategic understanding. What I like even more is that he doesn't commentate like his thoughts on strategy are the only correct ones. He questions stuff but rarely judges. HDH have some issues with this. I like their enthusiasm but their strategic understanding isn't very high, which is fine, but then with that limited strategic understanding they are very judgmental on players' strategies. As a player it is sometimes painful to hear the commentator burning someones strategy like he is some idiot, and even more so when the strategy is actually viable.
Yes this is so so true I think I've come to appreciate what the non-TSL commentators are doing and that it's ok to not be extremely knowledgeable like day9, I enjoy diggity nowadays for example, but when those two kept on commentating on how stupid nony's strategies were vs idra, acting like they knew more about the game than he did, I was just so pissed off.
I'm really looking forward to seeing Tasteless in gom again.. I think near the end (TSL2) he really wasn't as good a commentator as he used to be (first GOM for example), but with this new game that he's playing a ton as random , (or Z and P it was now? ) I'm optimistic he'll have the knowledge and new found passion to become an amazing commentator once again
I'm curious to see if Gretorp will turn into a really good commentator. I can definitely see his potential, but he's not quite there yet. Think maybe he'll get there if he sticks with it though.
I started off listening to Husky and really liked him, but once I started playing more and understanding the game better, I started to be able to watch progames and understand them myself, so I didn't really care about English commentary as much. But day[9] gives really great strategic insight into the game that I usually don't think about, so I really enjoy his casts.
It just makes me sad that most of the big English commentators seem to be completely abandoning BW :<
Korean commentators are by far the best. It's like watching soccer in America. Would you rather have ESPN announcers who are boring as hell or Telemundo commentators who are completely into the game? Definitely worth it for the GOALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL or in this case the PLAYGUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.
On June 08 2010 00:29 Roffles wrote: Korean commentators are by far the best. It's like watching soccer in America. Would you rather have ESPN announcers who are boring as hell or Telemundo commentators who are completely into the game? Definitely worth it for the GOALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL or in this case the PLAYGUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.
Klazart, always a place in my heart for that man. He is the grandaddy of english commentators ask any current eng commentator, like nuke, theyl admit it.
Althought his strategic insight wasnt the best, I find his games most exciting, by far. He brings soo much passion its infectious.
I have turned so many people on to competitive starcraft through that man.
On June 08 2010 01:57 Tha_Docta wrote: Klazart, always a place in my heart for that man. He is the grandaddy of english commentators ask any current eng commentator, like nuke, theyl admit it.
The chinese commentator, one of them named Big Master.
I can read english, but listen to english, it is very hard for me. I have to listen slowly and games goes fast so commentator talk fast thus I cannot understand english commentaries...
I like chinese commentators because language? keke. and also they are always commentating daily, I tink they get paid that is why...
They only commentate OGN broadcast game. If OGN proleague match ended earlier, they might switch to MBC Channel.
The Big Master commentate the most. During start period will talk about player style, their recent performance and give overall understanding. Then when opening is shown, ...
Ah never mind.Stop talking. I think all commentators does that keke.
I prefer the other fat chinese commentator, but I do not know his name. He is more precise. I mean...Big Master sometimes commentate halfway he will talk more about his feeling.Big master always expect alot from progamer. So sometimes he will express dissapointment "OH my...." "Oh my god de" "Why is he doing that? He should..."
Ah so annoying... the players did their best, just continue commentate...
Anyway Chinese language can has a unique way to express feeling so it turns out funny most of the time.
I am always amazed how commentator always to predict what happens next. Ah, maybe all commentator able to do that...
Ah, I remember 1 incident, during Effort vs Flash 1st match OSL final. Effort managed to bring 1 drone in to scout during barrack lift off. Because I didn't play starcraft, only watching. So I do not know the impact. Then in unison they cried out "SHIT HAPPENS! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?"
Ah, caught my attention. It feels like telepathy, the words are exactly the same keke. Then I glued my eyes watching the drone. Even though I do not know what the drone is looking for.
Those who watch from China stream, maybe can tell me his name? The Fat one. He cut his hair recently.
----- But seriously, moletrap, diggity, and nukethestars. I can't stand Ranshin though, so it's kind of obnoxious when Nuke and Ranshin dual big matches. Good thing they're usually also dual'd by the molester and digg-dawg.
On June 08 2010 00:29 Roffles wrote: Korean commentators are by far the best. It's like watching soccer in America. Would you rather have ESPN announcers who are boring as hell or Telemundo commentators who are completely into the game? Definitely worth it for the GOALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL or in this case the PLAYGUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.
Exactly. Even if the video quality is much worse, I prefer to watch Telemundo!
This is also why Klazart, despite his many faults, was one of the best English commentators (that was English he was speaking, right?).
My favorite is probably the Tasteless/Artosis combo, but for single commentaries it's a pretty good tie between Diggity, Moletrap, and the Plott brothers.
I've never really like HD or Husky. I like Husky more than HD because Husky at least knows why players do some of the "weird" things they do... not to mention he's not monotone as shit. HD sounds like he's faking it when he's not monotone.
On June 08 2010 01:57 Tha_Docta wrote: Klazart, always a place in my heart for that man. He is the grandaddy of english commentators ask any current eng commentator, like nuke, theyl admit it.
On June 08 2010 00:29 Roffles wrote: Korean commentators are by far the best. It's like watching soccer in America. Would you rather have ESPN announcers who are boring as hell or Telemundo commentators who are completely into the game? Definitely worth it for the GOALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL or in this case the PLAYGUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.
This is also why Klazart, despite his many faults, was one of the best English commentators (that was English he was speaking, right?).
...Sometimes. Sometimes he spoke gibberish. Which was also amusing.
The OP summed it up perfectly for me. Moletrap is my favourite. First one I found when youtubing randomly and reignited my love for StarCraft. He has good insight into the game and keeps it interesting and fun. All the sc2gg guys are pretty good though and Violetak
Day[9] most def. Like others have mentioned, his Chill vs Combat-Ex commentary was so hilarious :D He says penis a lot, compares Chill's Mutas to Syphilis, invents an energy drink called "Bear Semen", and bashes Combat-Ex's double observatory and "hidden tech". What more do you want?
Not too mention I would incredi-suck if it wasn't for the Day[9] daily. His strategical thinking is unparalleled.
On June 08 2010 02:07 XiaoJoyce- wrote: The chinese commentator, one of them named Big Master.
I can read english, but listen to english, it is very hard for me. I have to listen slowly and games goes fast so commentator talk fast thus I cannot understand english commentaries...
I like chinese commentators because language? keke. and also they are always commentating daily, I tink they get paid that is why...
They only commentate OGN broadcast game. If OGN proleague match ended earlier, they might switch to MBC Channel.
The Big Master commentate the most. During start period will talk about player style, their recent performance and give overall understanding. Then when opening is shown, ...
Ah never mind.Stop talking. I think all commentators does that keke.
I prefer the other fat chinese commentator, but I do not know his name. He is more precise. I mean...Big Master sometimes commentate halfway he will talk more about his feeling.Big master always expect alot from progamer. So sometimes he will express dissapointment "OH my...." "Oh my god de" "Why is he doing that? He should..."
Ah so annoying... the players did their best, just continue commentate...
Anyway Chinese language can has a unique way to express feeling so it turns out funny most of the time.
I am always amazed how commentator always to predict what happens next. Ah, maybe all commentator able to do that...
Ah, I remember 1 incident, during Effort vs Flash 1st match OSL final. Effort managed to bring 1 drone in to scout during barrack lift off. Because I didn't play starcraft, only watching. So I do not know the impact. Then in unison they cried out "SHIT HAPPENS! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?"
Ah, caught my attention. It feels like telepathy, the words are exactly the same keke. Then I glued my eyes watching the drone. Even though I do not know what the drone is looking for.
Those who watch from China stream, maybe can tell me his name? The Fat one. He cut his hair recently.
On June 08 2010 02:07 XiaoJoyce- wrote: The chinese commentator, one of them named Big Master.
I can read english, but listen to english, it is very hard for me. I have to listen slowly and games goes fast so commentator talk fast thus I cannot understand english commentaries...
I like chinese commentators because language? keke. and also they are always commentating daily, I tink they get paid that is why...
They only commentate OGN broadcast game. If OGN proleague match ended earlier, they might switch to MBC Channel.
The Big Master commentate the most. During start period will talk about player style, their recent performance and give overall understanding. Then when opening is shown, ...
Ah never mind.Stop talking. I think all commentators does that keke.
I prefer the other fat chinese commentator, but I do not know his name. He is more precise. I mean...Big Master sometimes commentate halfway he will talk more about his feeling.Big master always expect alot from progamer. So sometimes he will express dissapointment "OH my...." "Oh my god de" "Why is he doing that? He should..."
Ah so annoying... the players did their best, just continue commentate...
Anyway Chinese language can has a unique way to express feeling so it turns out funny most of the time.
I am always amazed how commentator always to predict what happens next. Ah, maybe all commentator able to do that...
Ah, I remember 1 incident, during Effort vs Flash 1st match OSL final. Effort managed to bring 1 drone in to scout during barrack lift off. Because I didn't play starcraft, only watching. So I do not know the impact. Then in unison they cried out "SHIT HAPPENS! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?"
Ah, caught my attention. It feels like telepathy, the words are exactly the same keke. Then I glued my eyes watching the drone. Even though I do not know what the drone is looking for.
Those who watch from China stream, maybe can tell me his name? The Fat one. He cut his hair recently.
I believe he is called xDLove.
xDLove? I cannot translate into chinese word....maybe you can type out his chinese nickname. So I know..
- Cholera and Rise duo back when they were casting, primarily what got me to watch and rediscover starcraft once again. - Tasteless and SDM, fun times.
As I understood the game better, I wanted bit more strategy/insight instead of play by play.
- Day[9], all around one of the best. - Gretorp, personal favorite, insane understanding of underlying mechanics and gameflow, makes you think outside the box and gives great insight for any player. - Day[9] + Gretorp combo: "MY DICK IS HARD" - NukeTheStars: Great solo casting OSL's and general game knowledge.
Nal_Ra is by far the best commentator. Since starting Old Boy it's even gone up a notch. I love Kingdom so much, especially as a player, but his commentating isn't very good.
As for english... I guess.. my dear Chilly boy. He's very analytical, and even though some say he's dry, I think he's just cute and smart. Yeah, most english commentary is painfully ignorant.
On June 08 2010 02:07 XiaoJoyce- wrote: The chinese commentator, one of them named Big Master.
I can read english, but listen to english, it is very hard for me. I have to listen slowly and games goes fast so commentator talk fast thus I cannot understand english commentaries...
I like chinese commentators because language? keke. and also they are always commentating daily, I tink they get paid that is why...
They only commentate OGN broadcast game. If OGN proleague match ended earlier, they might switch to MBC Channel.
The Big Master commentate the most. During start period will talk about player style, their recent performance and give overall understanding. Then when opening is shown, ...
Ah never mind.Stop talking. I think all commentators does that keke.
I prefer the other fat chinese commentator, but I do not know his name. He is more precise. I mean...Big Master sometimes commentate halfway he will talk more about his feeling.Big master always expect alot from progamer. So sometimes he will express dissapointment "OH my...." "Oh my god de" "Why is he doing that? He should..."
Ah so annoying... the players did their best, just continue commentate...
Anyway Chinese language can has a unique way to express feeling so it turns out funny most of the time.
I am always amazed how commentator always to predict what happens next. Ah, maybe all commentator able to do that...
Ah, I remember 1 incident, during Effort vs Flash 1st match OSL final. Effort managed to bring 1 drone in to scout during barrack lift off. Because I didn't play starcraft, only watching. So I do not know the impact. Then in unison they cried out "SHIT HAPPENS! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?"
Ah, caught my attention. It feels like telepathy, the words are exactly the same keke. Then I glued my eyes watching the drone. Even though I do not know what the drone is looking for.
Those who watch from China stream, maybe can tell me his name? The Fat one. He cut his hair recently.
I believe he is called xDLove.
xDLove? I cannot translate into chinese word....maybe you can type out his chinese nickname. So I know..
I am pretty sure we are talking about the same person.
On the point of the PLU commentator, here's a reason I like and hate him:
Here's a hypothetical situation. A PvP game, one player went fast DT the other went for some sort of robotic build. Most English commentators will say "OMG I'm not sure if he can get observers on time!". The PLU commentator will say "it takes xxx seconds for robitic facility and yyy seconds for observatory and zzz seconds for an observer; it takes aaa seconds for the archive to complete, bbb seconds to make two DTs, and ccc seconds to go across the map... so if he builds the robotic facility in the next 10 seconds he should be fine".
I might have exaggerated a little bit, but this is mostly what's going on.
When I first started Cholera, Klaz, Moletrap, Diggity, and Rise were extremely helpful and so entertaining. Even if their knowledge isn't air tight or complete, it is still extremely helpful for new players or people who haven't seen professional starcraft before. Without them there is no way I'd be into starcraft like I am. They did so much for the community and for very little return and should probably be held in higher regard then they are.
At the moment though the Day9/ Gretorp combo is absolutely amazing. Gretorp has been my favorite streamer for awhile and now with him casting games with Day9 (the best current caster) it is absolutely ridiculously amazing. Both are hilarious and both seem to have knowledge of the games that are comparable and complimentary. When Day9 doesn't see some possibilities in builds and player actions Gretorp often does and vice versa.
Tastless is amazing too but he hasn't done as much casting lately. His Gom casts were brilliant in every way. Can't wait to hear more from him.
Day9 and Chill are my favourites. Day9 just makes anything interesting and Chill knows how to be blunt, doesn't waffle and is good at only saying the useful things.
What the hell how is there NOT a poll in this thread. Well ok, the people concerned might feel bad if they see how their fan-base loves them compared to other fan-bases, and it might spark a feud between the Plott Brothers that would carry on down to the third and fourth generation...
Combat-Ex just to laugh, SDM to hear about penetrations and Day[9] if I feel all serious and strategical.
On June 08 2010 02:07 XiaoJoyce- wrote: The chinese commentator, one of them named Big Master.
I can read english, but listen to english, it is very hard for me. I have to listen slowly and games goes fast so commentator talk fast thus I cannot understand english commentaries...
I like chinese commentators because language? keke. and also they are always commentating daily, I tink they get paid that is why...
They only commentate OGN broadcast game. If OGN proleague match ended earlier, they might switch to MBC Channel.
The Big Master commentate the most. During start period will talk about player style, their recent performance and give overall understanding. Then when opening is shown, ...
Ah never mind.Stop talking. I think all commentators does that keke.
I prefer the other fat chinese commentator, but I do not know his name. He is more precise. I mean...Big Master sometimes commentate halfway he will talk more about his feeling.Big master always expect alot from progamer. So sometimes he will express dissapointment "OH my...." "Oh my god de" "Why is he doing that? He should..."
Ah so annoying... the players did their best, just continue commentate...
Anyway Chinese language can has a unique way to express feeling so it turns out funny most of the time.
I am always amazed how commentator always to predict what happens next. Ah, maybe all commentator able to do that...
Ah, I remember 1 incident, during Effort vs Flash 1st match OSL final. Effort managed to bring 1 drone in to scout during barrack lift off. Because I didn't play starcraft, only watching. So I do not know the impact. Then in unison they cried out "SHIT HAPPENS! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?"
Ah, caught my attention. It feels like telepathy, the words are exactly the same keke. Then I glued my eyes watching the drone. Even though I do not know what the drone is looking for.
Those who watch from China stream, maybe can tell me his name? The Fat one. He cut his hair recently.
I believe he is called xDLove.
xDLove? I cannot translate into chinese word....maybe you can type out his chinese nickname. So I know..
I am pretty sure we are talking about the same person.
On the point of the PLU commentator, here's a reason I like and hate him:
Here's a hypothetical situation. A PvP game, one player went fast DT the other went for some sort of robotic build. Most English commentators will say "OMG I'm not sure if he can get observers on time!". The PLU commentator will say "it takes xxx seconds for robitic facility and yyy seconds for observatory and zzz seconds for an observer; it takes aaa seconds for the archive to complete, bbb seconds to make two DTs, and ccc seconds to go across the map... so if he builds the robotic facility in the next 10 seconds he should be fine".
I might have exaggerated a little bit, but this is mostly what's going on.
Ahh, never mind about his name keke.
Actually, I think China works this way. Not only in Starcraft, but I think most of the people in China use math to do calculation for decision making.
Ah, I am guilty. Actually during middle school I have already made some calculation. Simple ones like how to improve my english using shortest amount of time. How much time devote on topic. Target score..
Which route takes me to get degree faster, overseas or no? High school or straight polytechnic? Working how many years before university.. kekeke.
I feel so different back then. I feel more..sensible? Ah, but some people doesn't like me, too serious. I don't like him too, everytime pick on me. I think I am not so bad. He is the one who is bad, barely made it past year 3 and still no sense of ...worry? In the end didn't make it to high school, do not want to retain middle school so quit and rot 2 years at home play computer?
Moletrap, diggity, and klazart got me into pro sc commentary, until that point I didn't know it existed.
For sc2 no one comes close to day9. Raelcun is actually pretty good also.
Edit: The MLG guy, forgot his name is actually pretty good as well. Besides actual strategic commentary and entertainment value, voice plays a huge role.
Once we see the plott brothers duel cast something (blizzard should get them both for blizzcon...) then I'll be able to see whether they synergise well together. right now it's a toss up between the 2 of them, as tasteless's unbridled enthusiasm was what got me into the SC proscene with gomtv. but day9's been knocking the socks off the SC2 community with the day9 daily.
Definitely the best solo caster is Day9. He's really charismatic and understands the strategies people use down to a deep level and he's good about articulating what's good and bad about someone's play. Too bad he kind of strict with this commentating style. I would LOVE to see more fucking random hilarious commentating like when he did chill vs combat ex. Just when he rants about random shit half game long and just states what happens in the game. God that series was epic. Plus Day9 works best when he's alone. Whenever he's with other people he sort of doesn't have any space to rant and blabber on about random shit which makes his commentaries SO much more entertaining.
I also really liked the moletrap/diggity/cholera combo. They sort of worked really well together and I really liked the overall vibe they gave off. Obviously they didn't have an amazing understanding of strategies like Day9 does, but you don't need to be a genius to be a good commentator.
I can't stand rise, klazard, and husky. I don't care what they've done for the community, I just can't watch their commentating.
*Edit* Oh and I forgot chill. GOD worst commentator ever. Has no personality or charisma and has the most monotone voice ever when commentating. He says nothing that's even remotely funny or entertaining, and I can't understand why people would like him as a commentator. I think a sack of potatoes could do a better job. (this is just my opinion, if you don't agree with it, that's fine)
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Combat-ex was the first commentator I ever heard. I was introduced to him by a friend and that really got me into Pro BW, and now Sc2. But, I really love Day[9]'s casting style.
Cholera is the best "color" commentator for giving background info and adding personalities to the players.
Day[9] has the best strategic analysis.
There really aren't that many good "play-by-play" commentators since everyone wants to add their own opinion. If I had to pick one I'd say Tasteless. Klazart got good at play-by-play in around 2009, before that he didn't really have enough game knowledge. Too bad he retired shortly after.
yeah problem with foreign casters is that they focus too mcuh on "analysis" we need a commentator that does play-by-play stuff while also makign it exciting (klazart came closest although even he dropped off the excitement too easily and often prematurely) this can be balanced by a calmer, more analysis-based caster (someone like day9 might be good for this)
On June 08 2010 08:37 n.DieJokes wrote: Nony's commentary is by far the best commentary I've ever experienced
"So, you start out with a gateway only after you build a pylon, but that shouldn't be a problem, because you'll find that you can't build a gateway without a pylon"
On June 08 2010 08:36 Lucid90 wrote: *Edit* Oh and I forgot chill. GOD worst commentator ever. Has no personality or charisma and has the most monotone voice ever when commentating. He says nothing that's even remotely funny or entertaining, and I can't understand why people would like him as a commentator. I think a sack of potatoes could do a better job. (this is just my opinion, if you don't agree with it, that's fine)
On June 08 2010 08:36 Lucid90 wrote: *Edit* Oh and I forgot chill. GOD worst commentator ever. Has no personality or charisma and has the most monotone voice ever when commentating. He says nothing that's even remotely funny or entertaining, and I can't understand why people would like him as a commentator. I think a sack of potatoes could do a better job. (this is just my opinion, if you don't agree with it, that's fine)
Haters gonna hate, your commentary in TSL 2 was great and a noticeable improvement to TSL1 I like your dry humour and how you never sound artificial while still bringing a high level of excitement when it's needed
day9, chill, artosis, tasteless, gretorp, vyanta (when he commentates his own stream), whatever - I like any commentator with a bit of extra insight into the game from their experience playing it at a good level. I dislike the commentators without high level playing experience as they fail to notice alot of things they shouldn't and alot of them are often just completely wrong about the things they talk about.
I guess Moletrap (for his endless enthusiasm), Diggity (great casting voice) and Day[9] (high-brow analytical skills) are my current favorites, as beyond their skills I can just really hear how they LOVE the game. If you add in the old-time favorites, Klazart (for having WPM to match pro-gamer APM) and Cholera (the sense of humor and personality he gives to casts).
There are a lot of other casters I really like, these guys just stand out.
Tasteless, for being Tasteless, and for being responsible for getting me into the SC scene. Day[9], for being the most informative entertaining caster by a huge margin. Chill, for being the best co-commentator around. It's amazing how well he seems to mesh with anybody he commentates with. TotalBiscuit, for making me laugh every single time I watch him cast SC2, even if it's pretty apparent that his knowledge isn't up there. TheGunRun, for his manly voice and his lighthearted approach to commentary.
Those are the 5 I can think of off the top of my head that I enjoy watching on a consistant basis, but there are some others worth mentioning, either for single events or because what they did was useful:
- Raelcun, for managing to cast for an amazing 31 hours, outlasting anybody who watched his stream. - orb, because RAGERAGERAGE. - blinn, for the Amazing Singcast. - Lilsusie, for asking the kind of questions on-air that were useful to people who were just entering the SC scene, and for keeping Tasteless on-target when he'd start to ramble. - I've heard Gretorp is a really good commentator, but i've yet to watch any of it. (edit) - Artosis, for his depth of knowledge, even if his racial bias shows. He's more fun to listen to with SC2 than he was SCBW.
I never really liked SuperDanielMan - he wasn't as good at handling the new player aspect, and he was even worse than Tasteless at veering wildly off-track during games, to the extent where I feel that Tasteless alone would have handled informative commentary on long games better.
On June 08 2010 08:36 Lucid90 wrote: *Edit* Oh and I forgot chill. GOD worst commentator ever. Has no personality or charisma and has the most monotone voice ever when commentating. He says nothing that's even remotely funny or entertaining, and I can't understand why people would like him as a commentator. I think a sack of potatoes could do a better job. (this is just my opinion, if you don't agree with it, that's fine)
I have experienced something like that before in middle school..
If it happened to me I will not but . keke.
Ah, now my life kinda lacking motivation. Maybe some1 should criticize me so I can work things out keke.
No, just kidding! Do not scold me. I think things will get worse if people rant @ me.
other than the good ol koreans i gotta say moletrap kind of found out about teamliquid thanks to moletrap/diggity their commentary was very friendly to the newer people
I like Chill the best. I feel like I understand the game well enough that Day9 does not offer insight to things I don't already know, and although I like him, I feel like Chill gets more genuinely excited and it's fun to hear him talk about the game.
Honestly, I just want commentators to not sound like they're forcing excitement. Directing my attention is good too. Strategy I can pretty much figure out for myself, so I'm indifferent about it, or annoyed by it if the commentator is really, really wrong (most of the time it doesn't matter if they make a few mistakes though).
Over the past year Day[9] has really made a name for himself as a fantastic commentator, and overall cool guy. I'd have to say right now at this very moment he's my favorite, as I'm sure he is for a lot of you.
My first gimps of the starcraft scene was through some old vods casted by Tasteless. He brought a lot of excitement and sense to a game that's not very exciting or interesting to first time watchers. Later with the Gom Intel Classic he succeeded in making the game truly accessible for the first time for a lot of us. He'll always have a place in my heart.
Klazart was definitely great the few times I watched him... He's the only English commentator that goes as deep into the game as Sean does, and it's obvious that he knows what he's talking about.
Chill, as someone a couple posts up mentioned, can chill with just about any other commentator in the world without being intrusive and while still managing to get his point across. He gets points for that.
For SC1 I always loved Klazart. That man had so much energy and could speak so fast that even if he didn't always say the right thing first, before the battle was over you could be sure he had said them all at one point or another.
For SC2 hands down Day[9]. Though I really like it when he and Gretorp co cast. I like that his shows are a full hour. (Sitting down to get my SC2 strategy fix in 12-20 minute bursts isnt very satisfying for me.) He is an experienced player and I have found him very helpful in improving my play. Another pretty big reason for me is that his show is fun to watch and the community that has formed around the Day[9] daily is alot of fun.
Honestly, I'd have to throw in my vote for Klazart as well. I got into the scene late, and not long after that Klaz retired which was unfortunate. He didn't have the greatest technical commentary, but man did he ever inject intensity into the game. He was also the most poetic, often employing metaphors and alliteration to great effect. His insanely fast chatter got a bit overbearing at times, though.
Other than that, I'd have to say Husky and NukeTheStars were the commentaries I most gravitated to. The others were fine, but were honestly pretty dry to listen to. Tasteless was great as well; his line about how sleeping in and missing work would have been better than witnessing Boxer get 9pool/14cc'd was classic.
This is turning into a bimonthly thread? No one can beat the Korean commentators. No one can match them in terms of passion and storytelling.
My opinions haven't changed much. In terms of English casters, Sean is still the most dedicated caster and has great insight. In terms of color commentary, no one is running away with it. Chill and Artosis make a great team though. Artosis has good knowledge and Chill knows how to add flavor to what's happening, but his voice has a low range, which is an interesting dynamic in itself.
MOLETRAP ftw~ I owe moletrap a thank you for getting my roommate into sc! I showed him this quick and hilarious little commentary, and i think it really helped him understand the lure and the excitement of esports, and i got to coach him through his 9 pools he'd do every time over our coffee!
Moletrap just gets truly excited over the right parts, and he explains the thought process in his understanding most games, and keeps track of everything like number of gates and what not. <3
On June 16 2010 07:01 Destro wrote: husky is terrrrrrible i cant fathom why he is considered a commentator. HD talks about the game, husky is the john madden of DURP ZEALOT DURP.
day is a superhero tasteless/superdanielman are awesome artosis is good but lately seems to love himself a little bit more then usual.
everyone else just feels amateur or lacks game knowledge.
I dunno about that, HD makes a ridiculous amount of mistakes in his commentaries.
"The terran player is building a Hatchery, I mean a Nexus, I mean a Barracks, I mean a Hydralisk Den, I mean a Command Center"
It's funny sometimes but it can get annoying pretty quickly too. I find Husky is less passionate (i.e. less entertaining to hear) but at least the things he says make sense. Together they make some good commentaries because Husky provides some nice intelligent comments and HD provides that "omg omg omg epci!!!" factor.
koreans ofc but for US i really liked moletrap/diggity since they helped me understand BW and i was even introduced to TL.net cuz of their shoutouts lol
I can't believe the MBC commentators haven't gotten much love. PLAGUUUUUUU! On the English side, I usually prefer plott brothers, chill or artosis. The others are okay to start with, but when a D player like me can see mistakes, they probably aren't very knowledgeable. Haven't heard of this nukethestars fellow, maybe I should check his videos out.
EPT
. Rise and Cholera dual commentary's were the best, though Diggity, Moletrap and Klazart are good as well.
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