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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
all my favourite progamers gone well not really go.go but he seemed like a funny guy and justin just never shone lol. sigh...... zerg twins that were once top 5 zergs at their best matchups. hwasin who nearly took down savior. savior who started the whole bonjwa thing. FUCKK | ||
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StarStruck
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Xe(-_-)Ro
Canada69 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25991 Posts
On May 22 2010 00:51 Xe(-_-)Ro wrote: Wait whats going on I have searched but can't find anything other than hwasin's interview? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=125601 Many progamers were proven to take dives in matches for money. | ||
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On May 22 2010 00:30 Chill wrote: I didn't even read it. Cowards apologize after they are caught. Fuck him. If that's the case, pretty much everyone in the world would be a coward, which makes your statement pretty pointless. Unless, of course, you always apologize for your wrongdoings BEFORE they come to light, which I highly doubt. People make mistakes. Some people make more serious or more publicized mistakes than others. I choose to believe that the measure of a person is not the mistakes he/she makes, but how they can move forward and grow as human beings despite them. The fact that he even bothered to apologize certainly says something since there's absolutely no reason for him to do so and it's way more than some of the other people implicated in the scandal have done. Hwasin could have just crawled behind a rock and completely hid from the public eye, which is what most people would do in his situation (Koreans in particular), but he chose to come forward with a statement acknowledging his guilt as did go.go and Type-B. Acknowledgment of one's wrongdoing is the first step toward growth and redemption. What else do you want from him? Would you prefer he hang himself to repent for his crime? If he did, you'd probably just call him a coward for "running away from his problems" or something, then. It's clear that some people just won't be satisfied no matter what happens or what these people do. All I can say to that is think of all the times you've screwed up in your life and think of all the second chances you've been blessed with. If people were forgiving of you in those moments and you were able to build yourself through your experiences, why shouldn't you be forgiving of others and why would you feel that they are beyond redemption? | ||
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Xe(-_-)Ro
Canada69 Posts
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Necosarius
Sweden4042 Posts
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teekesselchen
Germany886 Posts
I really don't guess any of these guys to be self righteous jerks who would do such a thing ever again. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25991 Posts
On May 22 2010 00:53 JinMaikeul wrote: If that's the case, pretty much everyone in the world would be a coward, which makes your statement pretty pointless. Unless, of course, you always apologize for your wrongdoings BEFORE they come to light, which I highly doubt. Right. My comment is to emphasize that the apology is largely meaningless. | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On May 22 2010 01:18 Chill wrote: Right. My comment is to emphasize that the apology is largely meaningless. And my comment is to emphasize that it may not necessarily be meaningless. | ||
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Triscuit
United States722 Posts
Apologies like this are real easy to just think "aw, he's really sorry" but it's a mistake to think that. He's sorry for getting caught. Now he's just trying to save face. For some of you, it's working. | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On May 22 2010 01:31 Triscuit wrote: Isn't it absolutely ridiculous to think that people might actually come out and fess up to their crimes BEFORE they are caught? Apologies like this are real easy to just think "aw, he's really sorry" but it's a mistake to think that. He's sorry for getting caught. Now he's just trying to save face. For some of you, it's working. Think about human nature for a second. Why on earth would you fess up to a crime before you are caught? Whether you are caught or not has no bearing whatsoever on if you actually did it so really, fessing up before you're caught means nothing really. There would be the same outrage that he did it in the first place and blah blah blah. NO excuses but yea.... | ||
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Shiladie
Canada1631 Posts
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Wohmfg
United Kingdom1292 Posts
On May 22 2010 01:31 Triscuit wrote: Isn't it absolutely ridiculous to think that people might actually come out and fess up to their crimes BEFORE they are caught? Apologies like this are real easy to just think "aw, he's really sorry" but it's a mistake to think that. He's sorry for getting caught. Now he's just trying to save face. For some of you, it's working. Of course he's sorry for getting caught, but no one will ever know if he's sorry for what he did. Maybe this whole incident changed him as a person, who knows? Personally all these guys are forever tainted in my mind. | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On May 22 2010 01:31 Triscuit wrote: Isn't it absolutely ridiculous to think that people might actually come out and fess up to their crimes BEFORE they are caught? Apologies like this are real easy to just think "aw, he's really sorry" but it's a mistake to think that. He's sorry for getting caught. Now he's just trying to save face. For some of you, it's working. While I will remain skeptical, I won't immediately write it off as him just trying to save face until I see his actions following his words. Of course words alone mean don't mean a whole lot, but they are an important first step and as such, do have some meaning in that regard so long as they're followed by appropriate actions and changes. I certainly know many times in my life, there were points where all I could do at first was say words. Many of these pro-gamers are in this very situation right now. Just because you're unable to fix the problem right away or show through your actions that you're changed or grown doesn't mean you shouldn't say anything at all. I will certainly wait and see how this situation unfolds and if given some sort of opportunity, how these players choose to move forward. I do hope that they all learn from this event and grow through it. | ||
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vOddy
Sweden402 Posts
On May 21 2010 23:55 Wombatsavior wrote: I for one do not even think he needed to apologize, although he did which can say a lot (unless it is just a PR stunt.) Honestly though people, instead of "you suck" or "you should be ashamed your not living up to such heroic standards" think about what he has to do. IF you had to not just "play" but repeatidly practice SC:BW for over 10 hours a day everyday with only a day and a half off (not even two days) think about how much time that really takes, if you slept for 6 hours that leaves 8 hours of free-time WHICH would most likely go to other things such as schooling, and the pay is pretty horrid for the conditions they have all because they aren't considered doing labor. Stack all that up and you get one pretty pressed controlled lifestyle. IF anyone should be apologizing it would be the damned companies trying to penny pinch and save every buck they can, and the players are the ones that get the short end of the stick because of it, while the people out of sight that you never see get rich from it. Corporate greed has no bounds or limits it would seem, and they are very good at keeping the true blame off of them. At least someone here isn't a quickly judging asshole. Glad to read this. | ||
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teekesselchen
Germany886 Posts
On May 22 2010 01:31 Triscuit wrote: Isn't it absolutely ridiculous to think that people might actually come out and fess up to their crimes BEFORE they are caught? Apologies like this are real easy to just think "aw, he's really sorry" but it's a mistake to think that. He's sorry for getting caught. Now he's just trying to save face. For some of you, it's working. Even if one regrets a missbehaviour before he has been cought, chances are big that he will not confess on his own. The thoughts rather are "Ok, it was a mistake. Now if I go and tell, I'll be ruined. But possibly that will never happen." People do not think that their crimes need punishment when they think that they are right, for example because they changed since then and accepted, that they were a bad person - what does not mean that they need a punishment now, since they have changed. So if a criminal confesses before he is under pressure, that might be a huge bonus for him because he obviously accepts his mistake. If he doesn't, it does not have to mean that he does not regret what he did. Check out this video from 8:00 on. It's about empathy. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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