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Bifur
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Russian Federation1208 Posts
May 21 2010 14:40 GMT
#41
How will Hwasin and others be punished?
Savior and Luxury has retired. What about others?
NuKedUFirst
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada3139 Posts
May 21 2010 14:45 GMT
#42
He needs Bisu's scout treatment for sure.. :/ least he has apologized.
FrostedMiniWeet wrote: I like winning because it validates all the bloody time I waste playing SC2.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9412 Posts
May 21 2010 14:49 GMT
#43
i am sad
damn those bets are pure evil
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
May 21 2010 14:51 GMT
#44
Excerpts from the last Hwasin interview on Fomos.
I'll refrain myself to just highlighting the words that make his part in the matching fixing scandal that much more hurtful to his fans.

On March 24 2010 06:19 Lyriene wrote:
Q = Fomos Interviewer
A =
[image loading]
Hwasin


Q: I think the least you have become is a progamer who can be remembered. Do you also think that you are successful?
A: I didn’t have a big success yet, but I think I’m at a position where I can act as a role model However, I’m still not satisfied with myself. I haven’t won yet and at first, I thought about giving up if I didn’t win a league even after considerable amount of time passed, but that mentality had changed thanks to my fans who constantly cheered for me. Therefore, I still think that it’s possible for me.

Q: It’s already been 7 years. What has changed?
A: My desire for a win has not changed at all. However, it feels different to try to rise from the bottom. I didn’t realize it for a while, but I started to feel it starting early last year.

Q: Frustrated? We don’t know what happens after the cameras are turned off so we want to know how you’re like when you’re frustrated.
A: In the past, whenever I lost, I used to think back to it and become really stressed, so I couldn’t even sleep. I couldn’t even smile or laugh for several days, but I realized that it was only poisonous to me. I try my best to be optimistic now.

Q: You have a high salary and a lot of fame. You’re a man with both wealth and fame.
A: Although I have wealth and fame, I will be forgotten over time. I still think a lot about my future. I still have to go serve in the army and I wonder what I should do in the future.

Q: Speaking of family, what has changed between you and your family?
A: Everything’s the same in the house. When I said that I wanted to become a progamer in middle school, they told me to do whatever I want and it’s still the same. In the past however, they used to love it when I won and became disappointed when I lost, but now they’re indifferent about it. Also, my grandma is a fervent Christian and she still prays for me a lot of the times. She told me that in order to receive her prayer, I must pray as well. That’s why I always close my eyes and pray before every game.Translation by Lyriene


Original article here.
Mojawi)SoJu
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)259 Posts
May 21 2010 14:52 GMT
#45
He really spoke well thought... we can feel that he is soooo disappointed of his acts,,
#1 김택용 팬 | #1 화승 오즈 프로게임단 팬 | 스타2 하자! | 나를 찢어갈겨 이 씨발놈아 왜 나를 미치게 만들어 니가 뭘 아는데?
Sawajiri
Profile Joined June 2007
Austria417 Posts
May 21 2010 14:53 GMT
#46
Nice translation, much better than mine, you obviously put much more thought and care into it than me when I translated it in the original thread in 2 minutes, lol. Props.

Also think it's the most sincere out of the translations, btw. Even though it doesn't really contain anything new, the delivery is more sophisticated.

Wombatsavior
Profile Joined November 2009
United States107 Posts
May 21 2010 14:55 GMT
#47
I for one do not even think he needed to apologize, although he did which can say a lot (unless it is just a PR stunt.) Honestly though people, instead of "you suck" or "you should be ashamed your not living up to such heroic standards" think about what he has to do. IF you had to not just "play" but repeatidly practice SC:BW for over 10 hours a day everyday with only a day and a half off (not even two days) think about how much time that really takes, if you slept for 6 hours that leaves 8 hours of free-time WHICH would most likely go to other things such as schooling, and the pay is pretty horrid for the conditions they have all because they aren't considered doing labor. Stack all that up and you get one pretty pressed controlled lifestyle.

IF anyone should be apologizing it would be the damned companies trying to penny pinch and save every buck they can, and the players are the ones that get the short end of the stick because of it, while the people out of sight that you never see get rich from it.

Corporate greed has no bounds or limits it would seem, and they are very good at keeping the true blame off of them.
The more simple you become, the easier the Truth is to see.
C[SCL]
Profile Joined April 2009
Philippines576 Posts
May 21 2010 14:56 GMT
#48
On May 21 2010 23:17 Wohmfg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 22:52 FreshVegetables wrote:
Yeah, he regrets it now that he got caught.


Sometimes getting caught is what it takes to truly understand your actions, and to take a good look at who you are.


Definitely. And who knows what would've happened if they weren't caught. Best of luck to each and everyone of them in rebuilding their lives.
BISU FAN FOREVER|Really fan.. really.|Flash, please get all the golds. k thx
dtnmang
Profile Joined April 2010
Vietnam752 Posts
May 21 2010 14:58 GMT
#49
On May 21 2010 23:39 Garnet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 23:37 Bifur wrote:
Where is Savior's Appology Letter???

I doubt there will ever be one.
Mr. Ma is a gangsta', he don't need no apology.
KT Roflster - the lulziest team of Proleague.
dtnmang
Profile Joined April 2010
Vietnam752 Posts
May 21 2010 15:00 GMT
#50
On May 21 2010 23:51 Caos2 wrote:
Excerpts from the last Hwasin interview on Fomos.
I'll refrain myself to just highlighting the words that make his part in the matching fixing scandal that much more hurtful to his fans.

Show nested quote +
On March 24 2010 06:19 Lyriene wrote:
Q = Fomos Interviewer
A =
[image loading]
Hwasin


Q: I think the least you have become is a progamer who can be remembered. Do you also think that you are successful?
A: I didn’t have a big success yet, but I think I’m at a position where I can act as a role model However, I’m still not satisfied with myself. I haven’t won yet and at first, I thought about giving up if I didn’t win a league even after considerable amount of time passed, but that mentality had changed thanks to my fans who constantly cheered for me. Therefore, I still think that it’s possible for me.

Q: It’s already been 7 years. What has changed?
A: My desire for a win has not changed at all. However, it feels different to try to rise from the bottom. I didn’t realize it for a while, but I started to feel it starting early last year.

Q: Frustrated? We don’t know what happens after the cameras are turned off so we want to know how you’re like when you’re frustrated.
A: In the past, whenever I lost, I used to think back to it and become really stressed, so I couldn’t even sleep. I couldn’t even smile or laugh for several days, but I realized that it was only poisonous to me. I try my best to be optimistic now.

Q: You have a high salary and a lot of fame. You’re a man with both wealth and fame.
A: Although I have wealth and fame, I will be forgotten over time. I still think a lot about my future. I still have to go serve in the army and I wonder what I should do in the future.

Q: Speaking of family, what has changed between you and your family?
A: Everything’s the same in the house. When I said that I wanted to become a progamer in middle school, they told me to do whatever I want and it’s still the same. In the past however, they used to love it when I won and became disappointed when I lost, but now they’re indifferent about it. Also, my grandma is a fervent Christian and she still prays for me a lot of the times. She told me that in order to receive her prayer, I must pray as well. That’s why I always close my eyes and pray before every game.Translation by Lyriene


Original article here.
Maybe the interview was taken when Hwasin has already been trying to correct from his wrongdoings and stopped throwing matches. But once a game thrower, always a game thrower
KT Roflster - the lulziest team of Proleague.
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1717 Posts
May 21 2010 15:01 GMT
#51
at least hwasin apologized... but damage has been done, i don't think apology could still lift up his career. anyway, how about the others or did i already miss the threads?
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
BisuEver
Profile Joined May 2010
United States247 Posts
May 21 2010 15:07 GMT
#52
On May 21 2010 23:39 Garnet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 23:37 Bifur wrote:
Where is Savior's Appology Letter???

I doubt there will ever be one.

Is there any reason you might imagine he might not feel it's him that needs to apologize?
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/10873775/pa-presents-diablo-iii-console-comic-by-katie-rice-9-13-2013
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
May 21 2010 15:08 GMT
#53
On May 21 2010 22:50 _awake_ wrote:
it would be nice if he would show his sincerity by donating the ill-gotten money to a good cause such as charity.

I think the money is confiscated
In the woods, there lurks..
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
May 21 2010 15:15 GMT
#54
There's been a lot of speculation about which games were thrown, but I'd really like to know.


Regarding the apology, I respect Hwasin as a gamer. Always have and always will. He's one of the best TvZ players in history. That said, apology not accepted. The big theft isn't the money; it's the integrity of professional gaming.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
May 21 2010 15:17 GMT
#55
On May 21 2010 23:37 Bifur wrote:
Where is Savior's Appology Letter???


I suspect his lawyer advised him to keep quiet. He's payed (and possibly stolen from) the other cheaters so he has bigger things to worry about.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
SturmAddict
Profile Joined October 2009
Malaysia176 Posts
May 21 2010 15:19 GMT
#56
I for one do not even think he needed to apologize, although he did which can say a lot (unless it is just a PR stunt.) Honestly though people, instead of "you suck" or "you should be ashamed your not living up to such heroic standards" think about what he has to do. IF you had to not just "play" but repeatidly practice SC:BW for over 10 hours a day everyday with only a day and a half off (not even two days) think about how much time that really takes, if you slept for 6 hours that leaves 8 hours of free-time WHICH would most likely go to other things such as schooling, and the pay is pretty horrid for the conditions they have all because they aren't considered doing labor. Stack all that up and you get one pretty pressed controlled lifestyle.


there are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more people that pity should go to

For example, hard labor.
Contruction workers, floor cleaners, Interns, clerks, type writers(lol), teachers, who deserve my sympathy then pro gamers.

The A-teamers get free lodging, money salary, free computers, free food. Tell me any hard labor job that provides that.

Hwasin got greedy and abused his position. These kind of scumbag should be cleared off the sacred ground of starcraft pro gaming.
butchji
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1531 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 15:23:04
May 21 2010 15:21 GMT
#57
A true baller would have just written "Sorry." in the letter.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26004 Posts
May 21 2010 15:30 GMT
#58
I didn't even read it. Cowards apologize after they are caught. Fuck him.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
May 21 2010 15:32 GMT
#59
This doesn't sound like a genuine apology at all. Note the number of times he says, 'He's sorry.' From a psychological point of view when someone repeats something over and over again they're trying to trick themselves into believing it.

He's a bad apple.
CKSide
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States223 Posts
May 21 2010 15:38 GMT
#60
well what kind of apology would be acceptable? reality is, after the matter, nothing is as meaningful. I am curious what the reaction would've been if people had stepped out and said they were in a scandal. would the reaction be any different? would the apology letter be more acceptable?

Its a given that the letter MUST be written, whether real or (most likely) a PR stunt. reactions to hwasin would've probably been worse without this letter.
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