EDIT: OOPS didn't see the update on the official thread. Feel free to close this mods
I am sorry. I am sorry. I am truly sorry. To all those that are related to the e-sports scene in some way, to all those that play under the different teams, and especially to my teammates and my fans who watched over me and believed in me til the end: I am truly sorry.
Even though I don't deserve to get to apologize to the public, I believe that it would be no better to not say anything at all, so I humbly write this apology.
Excuses like 'I wasn't old enough to think straight' or 'I had a momentary lapse in judgment' cannot make up for what I've done... I'm aware of that. I am at fault for not being able to withstand my greed in that brief moment [before making the decision]. I am sincerely regretting my actions.
Despite the knowledge of my fans that had continuously cheered for me and taken care of me for the last 7 years... and that they were the ones that had propelled me this far... I don't know why I did what I did... I was very ignorant.
When even I can't forgive myself, I know that a few words like these can not make my fans forgive me or reverse what I have done... but I still want to say that I am truly sorry.
No words can make up for what I have done to those that have cheered me on and supported me...
Thanks for translation. Was it open to comments from fans? If so what is the general reaction?
The original thread said it had a lot of mixed reactions if I'm not mistaken. Still, Hwasin.. ;_; Like I said, just give us a few sexy photo shoots and we're gonna come back to you.
hmm it is indeed open to public comment. There are 13 pages of comments and most of them seem to go along the lines of 'You suck :[ but thx for the apology. GL' Many seem to be defending him for having the decency to at least make a public apology.
On May 21 2010 22:42 eSen1a wrote: i love the picture of juice next to the message lol, also he seems authentically sorry
so members can add those little things (think of them as stickers). The juice bottle says "cheer up!" and alot of members have left him something of that sort. Here is what it looks like now:
I always found public apologize the dumbest thing ever, why would he knee to us saying, "I'm sorry", You found a way to earn more by cheating, it's ok million of people do that everyday. It's not like he's different at a point he needs to say "sorry"
I mean yes he's different at a point, he has been busted.
He should be sorry for the system to be so shitty that would be more fair instead of thinking he's the one that did an error.
who cares... its hwasin. poor guy just wanted to get paid so he could keep up with his friends' gucci habits. he got caught, and now he is "sorry...really sorry"... i wonder how much of his ill-gotten lip gloss, rings, sunglasses, silk socks, britches, kerchiefs, etc. were returned?
Excerpts from the last Hwasin interview on Fomos. I'll refrain myself to just highlighting the words that make his part in the matching fixing scandal that much more hurtful to his fans.
On March 24 2010 06:19 Lyriene wrote: Q = Fomos Interviewer A =
Q: I think the least you have become is a progamer who can be remembered. Do you also think that you are successful? A: I didn’t have a big success yet, but I think I’m at a position where I can act as a role model However, I’m still not satisfied with myself. I haven’t won yet and at first, I thought about giving up if I didn’t win a league even after considerable amount of time passed, but that mentality had changed thanks to my fans who constantly cheered for me. Therefore, I still think that it’s possible for me.
Q: It’s already been 7 years. What has changed? A: My desire for a win has not changed at all. However, it feels different to try to rise from the bottom. I didn’t realize it for a while, but I started to feel it starting early last year.
Q: Frustrated? We don’t know what happens after the cameras are turned off so we want to know how you’re like when you’re frustrated. A: In the past, whenever I lost, I used to think back to it and become really stressed, so I couldn’t even sleep. I couldn’t even smile or laugh for several days, but I realized that it was only poisonous to me. I try my best to be optimistic now.
Q: You have a high salary and a lot of fame. You’re a man with both wealth and fame. A: Although I have wealth and fame, I will be forgotten over time. I still think a lot about my future. I still have to go serve in the army and I wonder what I should do in the future.
Q: Speaking of family, what has changed between you and your family? A: Everything’s the same in the house. When I said that I wanted to become a progamer in middle school, they told me to do whatever I want and it’s still the same. In the past however, they used to love it when I won and became disappointed when I lost, but now they’re indifferent about it. Also, my grandma is a fervent Christian and she still prays for me a lot of the times. She told me that in order to receive her prayer, I must pray as well. That’s why I always close my eyes and pray before every game.Translation by Lyriene
Nice translation, much better than mine, you obviously put much more thought and care into it than me when I translated it in the original thread in 2 minutes, lol. Props.
Also think it's the most sincere out of the translations, btw. Even though it doesn't really contain anything new, the delivery is more sophisticated.
I for one do not even think he needed to apologize, although he did which can say a lot (unless it is just a PR stunt.) Honestly though people, instead of "you suck" or "you should be ashamed your not living up to such heroic standards" think about what he has to do. IF you had to not just "play" but repeatidly practice SC:BW for over 10 hours a day everyday with only a day and a half off (not even two days) think about how much time that really takes, if you slept for 6 hours that leaves 8 hours of free-time WHICH would most likely go to other things such as schooling, and the pay is pretty horrid for the conditions they have all because they aren't considered doing labor. Stack all that up and you get one pretty pressed controlled lifestyle.
IF anyone should be apologizing it would be the damned companies trying to penny pinch and save every buck they can, and the players are the ones that get the short end of the stick because of it, while the people out of sight that you never see get rich from it.
Corporate greed has no bounds or limits it would seem, and they are very good at keeping the true blame off of them.
On May 21 2010 23:51 Caos2 wrote: Excerpts from the last Hwasin interview on Fomos. I'll refrain myself to just highlighting the words that make his part in the matching fixing scandal that much more hurtful to his fans.
Q: I think the least you have become is a progamer who can be remembered. Do you also think that you are successful? A: I didn’t have a big success yet, but I think I’m at a position where I can act as a role model However, I’m still not satisfied with myself. I haven’t won yet and at first, I thought about giving up if I didn’t win a league even after considerable amount of time passed, but that mentality had changed thanks to my fans who constantly cheered for me. Therefore, I still think that it’s possible for me.
Q: It’s already been 7 years. What has changed? A: My desire for a win has not changed at all. However, it feels different to try to rise from the bottom. I didn’t realize it for a while, but I started to feel it starting early last year.
Q: Frustrated? We don’t know what happens after the cameras are turned off so we want to know how you’re like when you’re frustrated. A: In the past, whenever I lost, I used to think back to it and become really stressed, so I couldn’t even sleep. I couldn’t even smile or laugh for several days, but I realized that it was only poisonous to me. I try my best to be optimistic now.
Q: You have a high salary and a lot of fame. You’re a man with both wealth and fame. A: Although I have wealth and fame, I will be forgotten over time. I still think a lot about my future. I still have to go serve in the army and I wonder what I should do in the future.
Q: Speaking of family, what has changed between you and your family? A: Everything’s the same in the house. When I said that I wanted to become a progamer in middle school, they told me to do whatever I want and it’s still the same. In the past however, they used to love it when I won and became disappointed when I lost, but now they’re indifferent about it. Also, my grandma is a fervent Christian and she still prays for me a lot of the times. She told me that in order to receive her prayer, I must pray as well. That’s why I always close my eyes and pray before every game.Translation by Lyriene
Maybe the interview was taken when Hwasin has already been trying to correct from his wrongdoings and stopped throwing matches. But once a game thrower, always a game thrower
at least hwasin apologized... but damage has been done, i don't think apology could still lift up his career. anyway, how about the others or did i already miss the threads?
There's been a lot of speculation about which games were thrown, but I'd really like to know.
Regarding the apology, I respect Hwasin as a gamer. Always have and always will. He's one of the best TvZ players in history. That said, apology not accepted. The big theft isn't the money; it's the integrity of professional gaming.
I for one do not even think he needed to apologize, although he did which can say a lot (unless it is just a PR stunt.) Honestly though people, instead of "you suck" or "you should be ashamed your not living up to such heroic standards" think about what he has to do. IF you had to not just "play" but repeatidly practice SC:BW for over 10 hours a day everyday with only a day and a half off (not even two days) think about how much time that really takes, if you slept for 6 hours that leaves 8 hours of free-time WHICH would most likely go to other things such as schooling, and the pay is pretty horrid for the conditions they have all because they aren't considered doing labor. Stack all that up and you get one pretty pressed controlled lifestyle.
there are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more people that pity should go to
For example, hard labor. Contruction workers, floor cleaners, Interns, clerks, type writers(lol), teachers, who deserve my sympathy then pro gamers.
The A-teamers get free lodging, money salary, free computers, free food. Tell me any hard labor job that provides that.
Hwasin got greedy and abused his position. These kind of scumbag should be cleared off the sacred ground of starcraft pro gaming.
This doesn't sound like a genuine apology at all. Note the number of times he says, 'He's sorry.' From a psychological point of view when someone repeats something over and over again they're trying to trick themselves into believing it.
well what kind of apology would be acceptable? reality is, after the matter, nothing is as meaningful. I am curious what the reaction would've been if people had stepped out and said they were in a scandal. would the reaction be any different? would the apology letter be more acceptable?
Its a given that the letter MUST be written, whether real or (most likely) a PR stunt. reactions to hwasin would've probably been worse without this letter.
well not really go.go but he seemed like a funny guy and justin just never shone lol.
sigh...... zerg twins that were once top 5 zergs at their best matchups. hwasin who nearly took down savior. savior who started the whole bonjwa thing.
On May 22 2010 00:30 Chill wrote: I didn't even read it. Cowards apologize after they are caught. Fuck him.
If that's the case, pretty much everyone in the world would be a coward, which makes your statement pretty pointless. Unless, of course, you always apologize for your wrongdoings BEFORE they come to light, which I highly doubt.
People make mistakes. Some people make more serious or more publicized mistakes than others. I choose to believe that the measure of a person is not the mistakes he/she makes, but how they can move forward and grow as human beings despite them. The fact that he even bothered to apologize certainly says something since there's absolutely no reason for him to do so and it's way more than some of the other people implicated in the scandal have done.
Hwasin could have just crawled behind a rock and completely hid from the public eye, which is what most people would do in his situation (Koreans in particular), but he chose to come forward with a statement acknowledging his guilt as did go.go and Type-B. Acknowledgment of one's wrongdoing is the first step toward growth and redemption. What else do you want from him? Would you prefer he hang himself to repent for his crime? If he did, you'd probably just call him a coward for "running away from his problems" or something, then.
It's clear that some people just won't be satisfied no matter what happens or what these people do. All I can say to that is think of all the times you've screwed up in your life and think of all the second chances you've been blessed with. If people were forgiving of you in those moments and you were able to build yourself through your experiences, why shouldn't you be forgiving of others and why would you feel that they are beyond redemption?
Reading such always makes me feel the sadness and shock the writer must have been in. I'm kinda good in forgiving because of that. I hope he can get back on a self confident line in terms of gaming soon enough and that this doesn't break him. I really don't guess any of these guys to be self righteous jerks who would do such a thing ever again.
On May 22 2010 00:30 Chill wrote: I didn't even read it. Cowards apologize after they are caught. Fuck him.
If that's the case, pretty much everyone in the world would be a coward, which makes your statement pretty pointless. Unless, of course, you always apologize for your wrongdoings BEFORE they come to light, which I highly doubt.
Right. My comment is to emphasize that the apology is largely meaningless.
On May 22 2010 00:30 Chill wrote: I didn't even read it. Cowards apologize after they are caught. Fuck him.
If that's the case, pretty much everyone in the world would be a coward, which makes your statement pretty pointless. Unless, of course, you always apologize for your wrongdoings BEFORE they come to light, which I highly doubt.
Right. My comment is to emphasize that the apology is largely meaningless.
And my comment is to emphasize that it may not necessarily be meaningless.
Isn't it absolutely ridiculous to think that people might actually come out and fess up to their crimes BEFORE they are caught?
Apologies like this are real easy to just think "aw, he's really sorry" but it's a mistake to think that. He's sorry for getting caught. Now he's just trying to save face. For some of you, it's working.
On May 22 2010 01:31 Triscuit wrote: Isn't it absolutely ridiculous to think that people might actually come out and fess up to their crimes BEFORE they are caught?
Apologies like this are real easy to just think "aw, he's really sorry" but it's a mistake to think that. He's sorry for getting caught. Now he's just trying to save face. For some of you, it's working.
Think about human nature for a second.
Why on earth would you fess up to a crime before you are caught?
Whether you are caught or not has no bearing whatsoever on if you actually did it so really, fessing up before you're caught means nothing really. There would be the same outrage that he did it in the first place and blah blah blah.
On May 22 2010 01:31 Triscuit wrote: Isn't it absolutely ridiculous to think that people might actually come out and fess up to their crimes BEFORE they are caught?
Apologies like this are real easy to just think "aw, he's really sorry" but it's a mistake to think that. He's sorry for getting caught. Now he's just trying to save face. For some of you, it's working.
Of course he's sorry for getting caught, but no one will ever know if he's sorry for what he did. Maybe this whole incident changed him as a person, who knows?
Personally all these guys are forever tainted in my mind.
On May 22 2010 01:31 Triscuit wrote: Isn't it absolutely ridiculous to think that people might actually come out and fess up to their crimes BEFORE they are caught?
Apologies like this are real easy to just think "aw, he's really sorry" but it's a mistake to think that. He's sorry for getting caught. Now he's just trying to save face. For some of you, it's working.
While I will remain skeptical, I won't immediately write it off as him just trying to save face until I see his actions following his words. Of course words alone mean don't mean a whole lot, but they are an important first step and as such, do have some meaning in that regard so long as they're followed by appropriate actions and changes.
I certainly know many times in my life, there were points where all I could do at first was say words. Many of these pro-gamers are in this very situation right now. Just because you're unable to fix the problem right away or show through your actions that you're changed or grown doesn't mean you shouldn't say anything at all.
I will certainly wait and see how this situation unfolds and if given some sort of opportunity, how these players choose to move forward. I do hope that they all learn from this event and grow through it.
On May 21 2010 23:55 Wombatsavior wrote: I for one do not even think he needed to apologize, although he did which can say a lot (unless it is just a PR stunt.) Honestly though people, instead of "you suck" or "you should be ashamed your not living up to such heroic standards" think about what he has to do. IF you had to not just "play" but repeatidly practice SC:BW for over 10 hours a day everyday with only a day and a half off (not even two days) think about how much time that really takes, if you slept for 6 hours that leaves 8 hours of free-time WHICH would most likely go to other things such as schooling, and the pay is pretty horrid for the conditions they have all because they aren't considered doing labor. Stack all that up and you get one pretty pressed controlled lifestyle.
IF anyone should be apologizing it would be the damned companies trying to penny pinch and save every buck they can, and the players are the ones that get the short end of the stick because of it, while the people out of sight that you never see get rich from it.
Corporate greed has no bounds or limits it would seem, and they are very good at keeping the true blame off of them.
At least someone here isn't a quickly judging asshole. Glad to read this.
On May 22 2010 01:31 Triscuit wrote: Isn't it absolutely ridiculous to think that people might actually come out and fess up to their crimes BEFORE they are caught?
Apologies like this are real easy to just think "aw, he's really sorry" but it's a mistake to think that. He's sorry for getting caught. Now he's just trying to save face. For some of you, it's working.
Even if one regrets a missbehaviour before he has been cought, chances are big that he will not confess on his own. The thoughts rather are "Ok, it was a mistake. Now if I go and tell, I'll be ruined. But possibly that will never happen." People do not think that their crimes need punishment when they think that they are right, for example because they changed since then and accepted, that they were a bad person - what does not mean that they need a punishment now, since they have changed.
So if a criminal confesses before he is under pressure, that might be a huge bonus for him because he obviously accepts his mistake. If he doesn't, it does not have to mean that he does not regret what he did.
Check out this video from 8:00 on. It's about empathy.
"Excuses like 'I wasn't old enough to think straight' or 'I had a momentary lapse in judgment' cannot make up for what I've done... I'm aware of that."
On May 22 2010 00:30 Chill wrote: I didn't even read it. Cowards apologize after they are caught. Fuck him.
If that's the case, pretty much everyone in the world would be a coward, which makes your statement pretty pointless. Unless, of course, you always apologize for your wrongdoings BEFORE they come to light, which I highly doubt.
Right. My comment is to emphasize that the apology is largely meaningless.
And my comment is to emphasize that it may not necessarily be meaningless.
In this case it is meaningless because it wasn't sincere as I posted above.
Think about human nature for a second.
Why on earth would you fess up to a crime before you are caught?
It's called many things: turning yourself in, whistle blowing etc. Believe it or not some people do fess up before they do get caught. It's called goat nads. You either have them, or you don't.
On May 22 2010 01:31 Triscuit wrote: Isn't it absolutely ridiculous to think that people might actually come out and fess up to their crimes BEFORE they are caught?
Apologies like this are real easy to just think "aw, he's really sorry" but it's a mistake to think that. He's sorry for getting caught. Now he's just trying to save face. For some of you, it's working.
Think about human nature for a second.
Why on earth would you fess up to a crime before you are caught?
Whether you are caught or not has no bearing whatsoever on if you actually did it so really, fessing up before you're caught means nothing really. There would be the same outrage that he did it in the first place and blah blah blah.
NO excuses but yea....
IIRC Firebathero paused a game because a ref accidentally pinged his enemy's position. He then proceeded to completely pwn the guy using a nuke rush.
About the sincerity, or lack thereof, of apologies coming after being busted, I think that it's kinda delicate. Sometimes people who apologise are dead serious and getting caught acted as the slap in the face which helped them actually get rid of that cheater mentality. For that reason one shouldn't be too quick to just go "fuck him he deserves zero sympathy", because sometimes that's just too harsh.
On the other hand, even a sincere apology can't ever be viewed as good enough to avoid consequences. People like Hwasin still need to receive some punishment here even if he regrets it sincerely.
If he is truly sorry, quitting is not what he should do. He should try to stay as a programer, admit his errors in live television, help the police and serve as an example.
:\ I guess that explains a lot, like when he lost to Go.Go in the OSL group stages playing like a total idiot, which denied Bisu a chance at the tie breakers.. fuck you Hwasin piece of shit has always been rigging matches and throwing games.
On one hand he made a wad of cash that he spent as he damn well pleased and had no thought of ever coming clean. Now that he's cought, he would like to apologize? The proper way to settle this is to becaome Boxer's official limousine driver for ten years. Both him and that CJ has-been.
I'm glad Hwasin apologized. I'm glad he understands how disappointed all of his fans are. He ought to be banned from ESPORTS for life, but the gesture was nice.
I'm mostly sorry for his teammates who depended on him to win games. I hope he will grow as a person from this and make better descisions in the future.
He is sorry because he got caught. Do you think he would of said anything if this scandal wasn't brought to light? Of course not. The apology is meaningless.
I would be pretty sorry too if I messed up my life, all of my relationships, and everything I ever worked for over a little bit of extra cash. I hope he disappears so he can't tarnish my favorite industry any more than he already has.
You cheated the chinese and now you cheat your own people. Fuck you Jin Young Soo.. fuck you. I honestly loved your TvZ but that's when you were a real progamer. You maddafakka.
he was just a kid who was offered to make more money and he screwed up big time. but 90% of people here would do the same as he did so don't be so self righteous.
On May 22 2010 00:30 Chill wrote: I didn't even read it. Cowards apologize after they are caught. Fuck him.
If that's the case, pretty much everyone in the world would be a coward, which makes your statement pretty pointless. Unless, of course, you always apologize for your wrongdoings BEFORE they come to light, which I highly doubt.
Right. My comment is to emphasize that the apology is largely meaningless.
Agreed 100%
You have to apologize before you get caught. Yes, not many people would do that, but then again, not many people are truly sorry. If the investigation somehow overlooked Hwasin and he wasn't caught, do you really think he would apologize and feel bad for his actions?
He is apologizing because of all the grief and guilt that is happening to him because he was caught. He regrets the decision of doing it because of these consequences that occurred because he was caught. If he was never caught, he would have never had felt sorry in the first place. After all, why would he? The money is good and he doesn't have any responsibilities to win anything.
On May 21 2010 23:52 Mojawi)SoJu wrote: He really spoke well thought... we can feel that he is soooo disappointed of his acts,,
r u part of hiz cyworld fanclub? fanclub president?
I presume that because he is korean, the way Hwasin originally wrote the apology expresses to him things that are lost in translation. What we read sounds somewhat bland, but in Korean it may carry a different tone and meaning.
On May 21 2010 23:52 Mojawi)SoJu wrote: He really spoke well thought... we can feel that he is soooo disappointed of his acts,,
r u part of hiz cyworld fanclub? fanclub president?
I presume that because he is korean, the way Hwasin originally wrote the apology expresses to him things that are lost in translation. What we read sounds somewhat bland, but in Korean it may carry a different tone and meaning.
Doesn't matter. It's after he's caught.
If your SO cheated on you and apologized with a letter like this, would you forgive her? Fuck no, she's dumped.
Except in this case he cheated thousands of his fans. Lied to us. Fed us all full of bs for some money.
I don't care if there's some secret tone in here. It could be the best apology letter in the world. All that proves is that he knows how to write an apology letter.
On May 21 2010 23:52 Mojawi)SoJu wrote: He really spoke well thought... we can feel that he is soooo disappointed of his acts,,
r u part of hiz cyworld fanclub? fanclub president?
I presume that because he is korean, the way Hwasin originally wrote the apology expresses to him things that are lost in translation. What we read sounds somewhat bland, but in Korean it may carry a different tone and meaning.
Doesn't matter. It's after he's caught.
If your SO cheated on you and apologized with a letter like this, would you forgive her? Fuck no, she's dumped.
Except in this case he cheated thousands of his fans. Lied to us. Fed us all full of bs for some money.
I don't care if there's some secret tone in here. It could be the best apology letter in the world. All that proves is that he knows how to write an apology letter.
That's cool and all, but im merely stating what i think the quoted post meant.
I think you're barking at the wrong tree here, buddy.
Match-fixing, you say? Hwasin it for me? A life in Luxury! Now that is something every progamer Yarnc for. UpMaGiCal opportunity! But won't trickery of this type-b discovered? What then -- will I go.go to jail? Oh. Well, then sAviOr dirty money for yourself.
On May 22 2010 05:01 okum wrote: Match-fixing, you say? Hwasin it for me? A life in Luxury! Now that is something every progamer Yarnc for. UpMaGiCal opportunity! But won't trickery of this type-b discovered? What then -- will I go.go to jail? Oh. Well, then sAviOr dirty money for yourself.
win! :D
Im not emotionally invested in any of these players but what they did hurt many people and esports as a whole.
Also that marine was a fking baller getting that evo chamber! :D
On May 22 2010 05:01 okum wrote: Match-fixing, you say? Hwasin it for me? A life in Luxury! Now that is something every progamer Yarnc for. UpMaGiCal opportunity! But won't trickery of this type-b discovered? What then -- will I go.go to jail? Oh. Well, then sAviOr dirty money for yourself.
Also, I was gonna say some of you are being too harsh, but I guess you're all actually right. I should stop being so quick to forgive, it never goes well.
On May 22 2010 05:01 okum wrote: Match-fixing, you say? Hwasin it for me? A life in Luxury! Now that is something every progamer Yarnc for. UpMaGiCal opportunity! But won't trickery of this type-b discovered? What then -- will I go.go to jail? Oh. Well, then sAviOr dirty money for yourself.
LOL well thought out. eh. i dunno about being too critical, a crime is a crime, regardless of how partial to you are the to criminal.
Lol... People are such hypocrites. Acting like they are perfect and have never done anything wrong. He is a human just like the rest of us. How are u guys going to speak on this without ever being put in the same position. They offer u millions of dollars to lose on purpose. The game is the last thing on your mind. U got your family and everything that u wanna support off this game. U know eventually u gotta head to the army and stop playing. This doesnt last forever. U need to make sure u keep a roof over ur head and food on the table. Thats #1 priority regardless what anyone else says. So unless u have been in that same position and u are a perfect person with no mistakes every in ur life. Then go ahead and speak down on him cuz you are truly a better person. But if you have made mistakes in ur life then forgive and forget just like you would like people to do to you after ur mistakes.
On May 22 2010 05:01 okum wrote: Match-fixing, you say? Hwasin it for me? A life in Luxury! Now that is something every progamer Yarnc for. UpMaGiCal opportunity! But won't trickery of this type-b discovered? What then -- will I go.go to jail? Oh. Well, then sAviOr dirty money for yourself.
Ohh that was awesome, mad props to you good sir!
And 100000 thumbs down to all dirty progamers, especially Savior (for breaking my heart)
On May 22 2010 05:01 okum wrote: Match-fixing, you say? Hwasin it for me? A life in Luxury! Now that is something every progamer Yarnc for. UpMaGiCal opportunity! But won't trickery of this type-b discovered? What then -- will I go.go to jail? Oh. Well, then sAviOr dirty money for yourself.
okum on... those sentences don't even flow together. You should be Hwasin out your mouth for these atrocious puns. Maybe making puns Yarnc your thing, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt... maybe you could still sAviOr post by making a newer, better one. go.go quickly and make a new one to redeem yourself! I don't know how lucky you consider yourself, but be assured Luxury is on your side because it surely isn't on mine. Now go and start type-b up a better post!
On May 22 2010 05:30 JaeHeat wrote: Lol... People are such hypocrites. Acting like they are perfect and have never done anything wrong. He is a human just like the rest of us. How are u guys going to speak on this without ever being put in the same position. They offer u millions of dollars to lose on purpose. The game is the last thing on your mind. U got your family and everything that u wanna support off this game. U know eventually u gotta head to the army and stop playing. This doesnt last forever. U need to make sure u keep a roof over ur head and food on the table. Thats #1 priority regardless what anyone else says. So unless u have been in that same position and u are a perfect person with no mistakes every in ur life. Then go ahead and speak down on him cuz you are truly a better person. But if you have made mistakes in ur life then forgive and forget just like you would like people to do to you after ur mistakes.
Who is a hypocrite? If I did this I wouldn't admit to it until after I was caught, and hence I wouldn't feel people should forgive me for it. That is 100% consistent with what I've said.
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its so sad. why hwasin. why savior?
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