EPT[Update] KeSPA Speaks Out On Intellectual Property Rights…
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BabaBlackSheep
United States29 Posts
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datscilly
United States529 Posts
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Xinliben
United States931 Posts
Best KeSPA can do is give in to the completely ridiculous demands and attempt to salvage their organization as best they can. It is either that or the death of the pro scene. | ||
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
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SkelA
Macedonia13074 Posts
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
On May 04 2010 10:00 Senx wrote: So you seriously believe a e-sport scene will exist in korea without kespa ( ie the ruleset, teams, players, sponsors, tv channels) ? It makes me sad when people just dismiss kespa as a organization e-sport in SKorea doesn't actually need, beacuse they do..despite their wrong decisions throughout the years. Don't come here and tell me that Blizzard will magicly manage to create a separate SC2 scene to coexist with the current SC:BW scene in SKorea. It's either up to Kespa or we'll have a very small and lackluster SC2 scene or in worst case, no real sc2 pro scene at all. Blizzard won't magically create a separate SC2 scene, we will. Power to the players. Kespa isn't the reason behind the success of SC in Korea - that honor goes to the players, the sponsors and the broadcasting services. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On May 04 2010 10:14 Kimaker wrote: Blizzard's take on this is retarded. Should I have to pay Milton Bradley money every time I hold a chess tournament with their pieces? Fucking retarded. That comparison is in no way the same thing. When Kespa pretty much strong armed GOMTV into shutting down I no longer had any respect for them. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On May 04 2010 10:14 Kimaker wrote: Blizzard's take on this is retarded. Should I have to pay Milton Bradley money every time I hold a chess tournament with their pieces? Fucking retarded. If you're doing it at a level where you make money because of sponsorships and advertisement money, then yes. The problem with your example though is that Chess, as far as I know, has no distinct IP owner, it predates any type of copyright laws, and therefore exists outside of it. At least use a realistic example next time. | ||
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BabaBlackSheep
United States29 Posts
On May 04 2010 10:13 Xinliben wrote: Best KeSPA can do is give in to the completely ridiculous demands and attempt to salvage their organization as best they can. It is either that or the death of the pro scene. I don't see why it'd be the death of the progamer scene. What happened, then, before KeSPA? If KeSPA is unwilling to capitulate (And say for the sake of argument that if they don't they will assuredly dissolve), there will be others who are willing to pick up the pieces and start anew. | ||
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johnlee
United States242 Posts
On May 04 2010 10:01 SuperXlax wrote: What? It would just have to be authorized by them, they wouldn't be changing anything about it, jeez. It's not really as simple as that. Effiency of running tournaments would be completely ruined. The MSL and OSL in Korea are run pretty efficiently - we have about 2-3 of each major tourney every year. Think about how fewer of these tournaments we'd have if Blizzard became the medium through which these tournaments were monitered. Does Blizzard really need to be involved in the fucking MARKET PLANNING and BROADCAST PLANNING? Blizzard definitely has IP rights, but the problem is the extent to which they want to exercise it. | ||
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QibingZero
2611 Posts
On May 04 2010 10:07 datscilly wrote: It's pretty clear to me that Korea's laws on Blizzard's intellectual property rights are hazy. What I dislike is the reason it is hazy, which is because the Korean government is influenced by it's large corporations, and is siding with them to make the laws in their favor. There are very, very few countries in the world that do not operate like this to some extent, with the US one of the worst offenders considering it's presence on the world stage. | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On May 04 2010 08:04 Tanatos wrote: Well, KesPA is corrupted bastard, that is so true. But many Koreans do not like the part that being audited by someone else, and blame Blizzard about it. It is their costom or culture. I am not saying Koreans love KesPA (in fact they hate them), but they are saying Blizz went too far. what does the general public know about these things? be they korean or american? point: i don't care that koreans are saying blizz went too far | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On May 04 2010 10:19 johnlee wrote: It's not really as simple as that. Effiency of running tournaments would be completely ruined. The MSL and OSL in Korea are run pretty efficiently - we have about 2-3 of each major tourney every year. Think about how fewer of these tournaments we'd have if Blizzard became the medium through which these tournaments were monitered. Does Blizzard really need to be involved in the fucking MARKET PLANNING and BROADCAST PLANNING? Blizzard definitely has IP rights, but the problem is the extent to which they want to exercise it. How exactly would it have to be slowed down? All Blizzard needs to do is have a team dedicated to the eSports scene that approves of all tournaments that happen, basically they'd be at every meeting that KeSPA currently has before it finances and gives the okay for the tournament, and says Yeah, okay, no slave labor here? no pornography ads? Gotcha, we're good. I don't see how having blizzard's hand in it to make sure they don't get screwed behind their backs is in anyway slowing it down. I think you've got some misunderstanding of what will happen. I don't see how adding the IP owner to each of the currently efficient tournaments would make them less efficient unless suddenly the Blizz approval people find out there's shady business happening in the back end that they need to stop, investigate, and postpone tournaments for in which case, blizz has every right to step in anyways. | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On May 04 2010 10:14 Kimaker wrote: Blizzard's take on this is retarded. Should I have to pay Milton Bradley money every time I hold a chess tournament with their pieces? Fucking retarded. whaaa? that's like saying you'd have to pay Lowe's or some lumber yard every time you rented out a house you built. your analogy doesn't hold for intellectual property | ||
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bodysnatcher21
Australia147 Posts
They do not create anything, they simply leech from others hard work. Blizzard will find some entrepreneur such as GomTV to start hosting SC2 torunaments in Korea, and that will be the end of Kespa. | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
On May 04 2010 10:16 XsebT wrote: Blizzard won't magically create a separate SC2 scene, we will. Power to the players. Kespa isn't the reason behind the success of SC in Korea - that honor goes to the players, the sponsors and the broadcasting services. Kespa represents the players, the sponsors and the broadcasting services.. | ||
snowdrift
France2061 Posts
On May 04 2010 10:24 Senx wrote: Kespa represents the players, the sponsors and the broadcasting services.. It's quite terrible that in every one of the threads discussing KeSPA, maybe half the posters still don't understand what it is, so the thread gets clogged with absurd statements like that. | ||
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
On May 04 2010 10:22 danl9rm wrote: whaaa? that's like saying you'd have to pay Lowe's or some lumber yard every time you rented out a house you built. your analogy doesn't hold for intellectual property Thank you everyone for understanding that was sarcasm. I suppose I should have added something along the lines of "(sarcasm)", but really? | ||
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StarMasterX
United States113 Posts
If Blizzard is allowed full control of this (which they are clearly leaning towards with no lan and everybody going through Bnet), they will want full control of ANY function with their game through BNet, and it won't be good for e-sports in general. I'm not understanding how "the players can simply start the SC2 e-sport scene without Kespa" when Blizzard controls whether you will do anything or not. I can't personally think of a successful e-sport that was run only through the company that made the game. | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
On May 04 2010 10:27 snowdrift86 wrote: It's quite terrible that in every one of the threads discussing KeSPA, maybe half the posters still don't understand what it is. Yea I know isnt it annoying? | ||
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