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Hi. I am Korean. and I have played and watched sc1 since 1997 and love Blizzard games. I think I know very well about the history of esport and kespa in South Korea.
As you know SC1 is still famous in SK now. But the point of interesting is not same.
At the beginning of SC1, everyone had played sc1, enjoyed playing game. but now almost no Korean play sc1. They just like watching sc1 league. Most Korean,like me, who loved sc1, is now between late 20th or middle 30th years old. Younger than these ages, they don't know how interesting sc1 is. There was no game like sc1 in 1997. But now there are too many good games in SK and some games are very similar to SC1 or SC2 also. I still like sc1. But I don't care the delay of SC2 or no release. It is not matter now because of other good games.
I remember that Kespa supported to install LCD TV in all subways and at subway stations and broadcasted SC1 tournament, no league that time.
I think Kespa doesn't use Blizzard icon any more. I cannot see any icons or game characters on TV. They just show the game match and information about records,map, progamers' history. Where is royality from? It is the reason why Blizzard didn't ask royality from Kespa.
Most people here think there are lots of advertisement profit from esport. But actually, it is not.
The broadcasting of esport is not main channel in SK. Only cable subscriber can watch it. Watching rate is also very low.
Sponsoring is not for profit of advertisement. That is the reason why big company like samsung, KT, SKT,..etc only can support MSL or OSL. These companys are already advertised in the world. Kespa talked they will give up sc2 if no agreement.
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Esport is not business like soccer in SK. Soccer league is not profit in SK. Very low number of audience. But big company support it to make sustain. It is a kind of money back to society.
There is no progamer scene in the world. SK is same as other countries except sponsoring.
The price of SC2 is very expensive in SK. I think it is difficult to collect pocket money for below 15 years old person to buy it. The price is like 28 Mac donald hamberger combo sets price in SK .
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mrmin123
Korea (South)2971 Posts
Woah that's like 120 kgs of rice!
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On May 08 2010 03:11 bokbok wrote:
Esport is not business like soccer in SK. Soccer league is not profit in SK. Very low number of audience. But big company support it to make sustain. It is a kind of money back to society.
There is no progamer scene in the world. SK is same as other countries except sponsoring.
The price of SC2 is very expensive in SK. I think it is difficult to collect pocket money for below 15 years old person to buy it. The price is like 28 Mac donald hamberger combo sets price in SK .
Are you saying the KeSPA corporations are just throwing money away with starcraft broodwar right now?
I doubt that. But if it's true, then it's a dead esports as is. No business can go on without a profit, and Blizzard would do good to not invest in it then.
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What he said is very accurate. They really don't make anything. Hell, it's been said many times. Admission to watch is free. There is no ticket sales and little merchandising. It's a niche market.
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
No ticket sales and there's still empty seats. I don't see what esports profit blizzard has in mind. They should just focus on game sales.
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Everything the two Koreans above said is entirely true
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Soo yea, as we can see confirmed by the korean on this page, esport in SKorea is dying and have no plans of making a comeback.
This kespa vs blizzard debate just became fairly irrelevant..
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On May 08 2010 08:09 Senx wrote:
Soo yea, as we can see confirmed by the korean on this page, esport in SKorea is dying and have no plans of making a comeback.
This kespa vs blizzard debate just became fairly irrelevant..
That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. If I came on here saying that I'm Russian and that my nation is disbanding, would you suddenly give me your deepest regrets and best wishes with absolutely no doubt in your mind that I 1) am actually Russian, 2) am telling the truth, and 3) have my information correctly in order?
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Regardless if you believe their testimony (urashimakt, I would fully believe the russian statement because they still are in the crap hole) the end result of blizzard's arrogance with their game is revolting truth be told.
Now, I can fully understand that Blizzard wants to make money from their game, thats fine. But also charge for tournaments? What business is it of Blizzard to charge those after they already payed for a game? Hell MLG - Who single handily made a market starting with Halo2 wasn't interfered at all by Microsoft when it started to get big (not including free advertising here and there alongside some royalties, would like conformation)
Whats even more disgraceful is how Blizzard is trying to gripe like every other company in the PC gaming world. In reality, a few hackers could come by, crack the game, make LAN available (or make a server on their own) then Blizzard cant even TOUCH them. Seriously, Playing badass in the gaming world doesn't work out. Blizzard wont even be able to touch KeSPA if they decided to download the game from sweeden (piracy laws there), then running it on their own network. All this bickering is about is false control and Blizzard thinking they are entitled to money beyond when they sell their game (as if they have rights to a sold product. Pitaful)
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[B]On May 08 2010 13:09 Energizer wrote: In reality, a few hackers could come by, crack the game, make LAN available (or make a server on their own) then Blizzard cant even TOUCH them.
No doubt they could do this, but it'd be so obviously illegal that it wouldn't hold up in court.
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On May 08 2010 13:22 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +[B]On May 08 2010 13:09 Energizer wrote: In reality, a few hackers could come by, crack the game, make LAN available (or make a server on their own) then Blizzard cant even TOUCH them. No doubt they could do this, but it'd be so obviously illegal that it wouldn't hold up in court.
In court? Lol. Blizzard will have to go through international court (which is a big joke) or attempt to go through korean's court system (another big joke). Neither case does America's laws affect KeSPA (Piratebay.com knows this quite well). It all depends on S Korea's laws on piracy.
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On May 08 2010 13:32 Energizer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 13:22 Lightwip wrote:On May 08 2010 13:09 Energizer wrote: In reality, a few hackers could come by, crack the game, make LAN available (or make a server on their own) then Blizzard cant even TOUCH them. No doubt they could do this, but it'd be so obviously illegal that it wouldn't hold up in court. In court? Lol. Blizzard will have to go through international court (which is a big joke) or attempt to go through korean's court system (another big joke). Neither case does America's laws affect KeSPA (Piratebay.com knows this quite well). It all depends on S Korea's laws on piracy.
I would think South Korea would have at least enough piracy laws to stop that. But unless either of us knows Korean law, we can only speculate. IMO it's pretty unlikely they could get away with it.
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GOM (if it was still alive) and Starcraft 2. Eat that DOGpa!
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On May 08 2010 13:32 Energizer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 13:22 Lightwip wrote:[B]On May 08 2010 13:09 Energizer wrote: In reality, a few hackers could come by, crack the game, make LAN available (or make a server on their own) then Blizzard cant even TOUCH them. No doubt they could do this, but it'd be so obviously illegal that it wouldn't hold up in court. In court? Lol. Blizzard will have to go through international court (which is a big joke) or attempt to go through korean's court system (another big joke). Neither case does America's laws affect KeSPA (Piratebay.com knows this quite well). It all depends on S Korea's laws on piracy.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Copyright_Act_of_South_Korea
This isn't Sweden. Lots of countries support big business.
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If all those claims are true, Blizzard has made some absolutely unreasonable demands. No one in their right mind would agree to these terms.
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
Kespa won't be able to run a pirated version of Starcraft 2. If negotiations fail, they'll have to just ignore Starcraft 2.
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Russian Federation405 Posts
Best game wins.
BroodWar forever!
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On May 04 2010 07:42 Railz wrote:
How long before it will be before some moron says, "but Kespa created esports, Blizzard needs them" Kespa didn't create esports, the players did. Playing under harsh conditions with no pay, yet having the Charisma to get the government to back them is what made Kespa.
Absolutely, completely out of context. Every sentence, I would say every idea, "pseudo-concepts", almost every word, so twisted. SO funny to see ppl trying to make a point about something without knowing/understanding anything at all, just like the other dude on this same thread talking nonsense stuff about KeSPA / GomTv. One certain thing here in this conflict is neither Blizzard nor KeSPA see themselves with less money at the very end.
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