EPTNot that I much like Kespa's track record either.
[Update] KeSPA Speaks Out On Intellectual Property Rights…
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Niten
United States598 Posts
Not that I much like Kespa's track record either. | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
On May 08 2010 11:55 urashimakt wrote: That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. If I came on here saying that I'm Russian and that my nation is disbanding, would you suddenly give me your deepest regrets and best wishes with absolutely no doubt in your mind that I 1) am actually Russian, 2) am telling the truth, and 3) have my information correctly in order? You're accusing bokbok of being a troll? Well thats fine, but I don't. I'm going to believe a guy who actually lives in SKorea and experiences things first hand rather than the majority of the other people in this thread who are just spewing out nonsense-know-it-all posts about the future of esports in SKorea. | ||
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Eternal Obilivion
Canada4 Posts
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
On May 09 2010 03:03 Eternal Obilivion wrote: This is a money driven business. Blizzard could just create their own esport. Unfortunately, north americans, dont watch esport, most of them play the sport. Having esport around in korea blizzard couldnt care less. korea such a small market in terms of people buying SC2. gimme the fucking money or fuck off. we running a business, not a charity for esport viewers. How about making coherent arguments in the language of your country? Also Korea is not a small market in terms of SC2 sales, it has the biggest potential for longevity and fan interest, which is what happened with SC1. Stop making stupid statements. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On May 08 2010 13:45 urashimakt wrote: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Copyright_Act_of_South_Korea This isn't Sweden. Lots of countries support big business. Uhm it's illeagal downloading copyrighted material in Sweden too... I'd imagine it's the same in SK. They'll probably simply skip out on SC2 if this isn't settled... [B]On May 09 2010 03:03 Eternal Obilivion wrote: The situation is, blizzard is not making money for all their hard work for the past few years. To say that kespa created esport is BS! That has nothing to do with the success of SC 1. Thats not the situation, it's merely your own oppinion. | ||
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nonduc
Russian Federation405 Posts
[inSC]: I don't know, whether you can say anything on that but last week, we heard a lot of news from Korea. We had a statement from Blizzard and KeSPA. Do you have any comment on what's going on over there? Dustin: Uhm, I think Bob does. Bob: Can you be more specific about your question? [inSC]: Well, the Korean eSport Association just made a big announcement and prior to this we heard that Mike Morhaime cancelled the negotiations with KeSPA. So will this have any impact on the current Korean pro-gaming scene, e.g. perhaps leagues will have to shut down or that StarCraft II won't be sold there? Bob Colayco: Well, you know, we certainly hope not. And personally I do wanna mention that we at Blizzard respect NDAs and we don't wanna comment on details about any negotiations that may have taken place or any terms. But there are several things said by KeSPA throughout there and we don't really agree to a lot of what they are saying. So, our goal is to buster eSport not only in Korea, but on a global basis. That's really part of our community development efforts and we're just looking to protect our rights, you know, the StarCraft IP (intellectual property), not only in Korea, but worldwide. We want to develop eSports to the greatest heights, that it can reach. And, you know, we think that we are able to play an active role in it. We can help this process along, especially since StarCraft and StarCraft II are our games and we developed them ourselves. Dustin: I certainly don't see it as not-selling in Korea, we will definitely trying to sell the game in Korea to our fans in Korea, even if there was no such thing as eSports, we wanna bring it to the Korean fans. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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Water.LoST
United States1 Post
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Windblade
United States161 Posts
On May 09 2010 07:52 Water.LoST wrote: Blizzard made SC but never had the intention to create e-Sport. Korea made SC blew up for the world. Blizzard let them continue and see how far it can go, knowing they could steal the whole thing later in the future by IP. Instead of being competitive and try to have the biggest and best e-sport event, they'll just win it by IP. Some say this is not capitalism, but Korea and the other countries aren't either. Money and Power is the key for the majority of that statement is wrong. Blizzard tried fighting for IP rights on SC 1 a long time ago and got shot down by the gov. and KeSPA. Sorry e-sports does not = KeSPA. people seem to forget that there is a whole sport centered on DoTA. Korean doesnt do that, but it's a lucrative business. Same for WoW - you have PvP and PvE guilds that are sponsored. | ||
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stk01001
United States786 Posts
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Xenocore
United States3 Posts
I believe the existence of battle.net in its current form is specifically to combat enterprises using their game without giving them a cut. IF blizzard refuses to work with KeSPA or any other league, to get that game operational, they would have to hack it to run without server support, or point it to a private server so the games would connect. IF Blizzard got their way, I could easily see them using licensed servers locally for the leagues to use to connect for gaming. Activision/Blizzard is just going for the money grab because they can. But I doubt in the long-term they will be successful in stopping gaming in this nature. Remember, The Activision CEO is on record announcing that they want nothing to do with any property that they cannot exploit to the fullest. | ||
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Chrion
United States31 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On May 10 2010 02:10 Chrion wrote: Why not look at the model for NFL football or NBA basketball for a direction. I think they have like 5 year contracts with ABC or CBS, and then side contracts with espn etc. But the thing is that NFL and NBA do NOT own either of the sports while Blizzard MADE BW. | ||
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Chrion
United States31 Posts
On May 10 2010 02:12 Xiphos wrote: But the thing is that NFL and NBA do NOT own either of the sports while Blizzard MADE BW. But doesnt the NFL get paid from a huge multi year contract that the television companies bid on? So Blizzard should be able to say, ok which company wants to be the lucky one that gets to produce and show pro starcraft for the next 5 years, and then they see whos willing to pay the most? | ||
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D3lta
United States93 Posts
On May 04 2010 07:56 rotinegg wrote: they do, all eleven teams have representatives partaking in kespa, and if one team were to act out against kespa, they'd probably get all their players DQ'd or something. That is unless 4 or 5 teams or more decide to act out together, but don't see that happening now with kespa already so deeply involved in the inner workings of esports you realize that doesn't mean they technically represent the teams, right? Just because the biggest corporations in Korea(the guys that DO sponsor the teams) have a favorable relationship and are happy with the current situation, doesn't mean "KeSPA = Samsung." Lets say Blizzard prevents further broadcasts of their game (its just flat out ignorant to argue they don't have the legal right to do so), and KeSPA falls apart This doesn't change the demand for Starcraft games. Where there is demand, there is inevitably someone who will tap into this demand for profit (currently this is KeSPA). Corporations will continue to sponsor SC teams as long as they see the benefit in the advertising pro players provide. In short...any damage the competitive SC or broadly RTS community suffers from this, is temporary. Another organization will always preform KeSPA's role as long as there's demand. | ||
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olof
Sweden254 Posts
Did Blizzard claim anything from them? I just feel Blizzard tries to kill "BW esport" so they can milk a potential "SC2 esport". | ||
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nonduc
Russian Federation405 Posts
1. Game owner — NONE — Blizzard 2. Sport organizer — National Federation — National Federation (i.e. KeSPA) 3. Teams — club owners — team sponsors 4. Broadcasting — broadcasting companies — broadcasting companies The game owner is that element of the structure of professional sports, which is able to ruin or even break the entire structure. He has no constructive rôle. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On May 10 2010 04:10 D3lta wrote: you realize that doesn't mean they technically represent the teams, right? Does this? A united response, from the broadcasters and the pro-gaming teams. All of the companies on KeSPA’s board of directors recognize KeSPA as their sole representative, and have agreed to act together in the negotiations with Blizzard regarding intellectual property rights. The stance of the association and the pro-game teams on the breakdown in negotiations with Blizzard is as follows. | ||
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aloT
England1042 Posts
Blizzard are right to ask for royalties / advertisement from Kespa, if not for the money, but just for the recognition that they are the developers. Blizzard is being unreasonable to seek to control the management of leagues, broadcasting and teams. Well, just my two cents here, but lets say this was football. Heck, even the world cup is near the same time as SC2! In this case, Blizzard are clearly Fifa. They are the world gods of football. And Kespa are.. just a broadcaster. Fifa organizes EVERYTHING. ALL the major tournaments (and ALL professional domestic leagues) go through them, and ALL international matches. Hell, they even have a huge say in team roster, as they allocate rules on domestic leagues and international teams on transfer dates and eligibility. So, question... why is it unreasonable for Blizzard too as well? Football would sure as hell not be this popular without broadcasters, but that doesn't give them the legal OR moral right to soak up the hardwork of Blizzard. | ||
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nonduc
Russian Federation405 Posts
On May 10 2010 07:28 aloT wrote: The general (GENERAL) feeling from 35 pages of this thread is this: Blizzard are right to ask for royalties / advertisement from Kespa, if not for the money, but just for the recognition that they are the developers. Blizzard is being unreasonable to seek to control the management of leagues, broadcasting and teams. Well, just my two cents here, but lets say this was football. Heck, even the world cup is near the same time as SC2! In this case, Blizzard are clearly Fifa. They are the world gods of football. And Kespa are.. just a broadcaster. Fifa organizes EVERYTHING. ALL the major tournaments (and ALL professional domestic leagues) go through them, and ALL international matches. Hell, they even have a huge say in team roster, as they allocate rules on domestic leagues and international teams on transfer dates and eligibility. So, question... why is it unreasonable for Blizzard too as well? Football would sure as hell not be this popular without broadcasters, but that doesn't give them the legal OR moral right to soak up the hardwork of Blizzard. Your analogy is completely wrong. In e-Spots FIFA is International e-Sports Federation. Blizzard is just one of the game developers. | ||
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