EPT[Update] KeSPA Speaks Out On Intellectual Property Rights…
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buhhy
United States1113 Posts
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Seijuro
52 Posts
On May 04 2010 12:01 EvilTeletubby wrote: This post needs more love.  I'm an absolute Blizzard fanboy, and I dislike KeSPA as much as the rest of you for the retarded moves over the years, but I'm absolutely in favor of whatever keeps the ESPORTS train going. And IMO that happens to be with KeSPA staying around. Yes, another company could very easily come in, but how many years before they stabalize and have an operation as smooth as KeSPA's? What will the scene/community look like by then? Will the star players really stick around to see if the corporate men can work things out? why not just try something new? .. #kespa low | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On May 04 2010 11:41 DatTheMighty wrote: I see everyone is just assuming sc2 is going to hit it big as an esports. I think some of you guys are having quite a thin notion of what Esports is. I am sure Sc2 will do as well as Wc3 or maybe better but will it be an Esports? Esports to me is year round multiple leagues with thousands of live fans at finals, two sports Channel broadcasting 24/7 (ogn, mbcgame), while some of you think if it has few tournaments here and there it should be called esports. Agreed, the perfection that is BW was an accident. I'm sceptical as to SC2 sucess as a perfectly balanced game like BW | ||
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Dr_Strange
United States80 Posts
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
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automocc
United States40 Posts
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Adeeler
United Kingdom764 Posts
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insanet
Peru439 Posts
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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
For long term E-sports keSPA must die. I'm not so sure about Blizzard having autonomous control though. | ||
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Laerties
United States361 Posts
On May 04 2010 07:30 Waxangel wrote: IMPORTANT NOTE BEFORE YOU COMMENT This isn't America. You might think you are an internet lawyer, but it doesn't work that way in Korea. It's not as black and white as you might think...if it was, this wouldn't even be an issue LOLLED SO HARD | ||
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Seijuro
52 Posts
On May 04 2010 12:04 ShadeR wrote: Agreed, the perfection that is BW was an accident. I'm sceptical as to SC2 sucess as a perfectly balanced game like BW aha lets meet up #care wc3 > bw btw XD | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On May 04 2010 11:14 Hot_Bid wrote: While your first response may be "yes, ofc Blizzard has CP rights, it made the game!!", looking at it from a copyright perspective (I'm not a copyright lawyer so don't quote me), Blizzard may not have rights to secondary user generated content, even if they specify this in their licensing agreements. For example, does the person who invented baseball have rights to ticket proceeds of every single baseball game ever played? A few years ago there was a movie about people doing NY Times crossword puzzles, does the NYT have rights to proceeds from that movie because it depicted people playing their game? Its not a black and white issue at all and will probably be litigated at some point, and if I had to go with my gut, I'd say its pretty close to swinging either way, at least with a US court. They have CP rights and internationally it's seen as literary art according to international patent laws. That analogy you used doesn't apply in this situation. Baseball wasn't created as a product for consumers in it's original intent. It was adopted from rounder's and later a standard type field was created along with rules. The film Wordplay had heavy ny times involvement. The puzzles used in the film are copyrighted by the ny times and used with permission since the editor himself starred in the film. So they were definitely paid for the rights to use their name etc in the film. Nytimes crossword blog on their website is named Wordplay for some odd reason. in short copyright holder's can ask for royalties for your work. Artists ask royalties to use their music or art. Software isn't any different nor is jay z sueing that baseball player for using the likeness club 50-50. | ||
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Shatter
United States1401 Posts
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MusicSC
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As a sidenote, I don't know exactly how the law works in South Korea, but it seems to me that it doesn't matter if they have claim to it or not, Blizzard doesn't need KeSPA. KeSPA NEEDS Blizzard. Blizzard can and should ask for as much as it can get it's hands on because that is how you run a business successfully. I have every faith in Blizzard's decisions seeing as they keep making amazingly successful decisions when it comes to marketing and distribution. I'd rather see the developer in control of their own game than having some third party that just wants to leech off of Blizzard's success be in control of it. | ||
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HonestTea
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Rithem
United States14 Posts
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MusicSC
7 Posts
On May 04 2010 12:06 insanet wrote: if Blizzard doesnt need KeSPA, why in 10 years, they have been unable to reproduce an e-Sport in any part of the world with his millions of dollars? they can say f.u. korea we are gonna get rich with the rest of the world, why they dont do it?, where are all the tourneys organized by blizzard if they really want to become like FIFA,KeSPA?, you see, Blizzard is bluffing, they will keep trying to negotiate with KeSPA. There was an article a while back on TL explaining why E-sports is so successful in South Korea, but I can't find it right now. -.- I'm still looking for it and if I find it I'll link it... I don't see how Blizzard is bluffing, considering they have all the leverage in the world. | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
On May 04 2010 11:57 DatTheMighty wrote: The only true esports is sc korea bro. the rest is just petty stuff in comparison. i am sure moon (wc3 player) makes more than alot top sc players but that doenst make wc3 an esports. its like you just ignored my post yet quote it. and "used to have televies tourneys" isnt too convincing to your argument either. So your saying being on TV is the only determining factor in being an esport? MLG isn't a joke they've been around for almost a decade and they're still growing. They have major sponsors like stride, and Dr, pepper. If you think year round leagues are a good thing , well their is a reason every sport has a good bit of off season. The pro's in korea playing year round is probably has a lot to do with how short their careers are. It's sad how many people have converted to the religion of kespaism, "Without kespa there is no esports. It reminds me of "if you dont believe in jesus your going to burn in hell" It is you my friend who has a thin notion of what esports is! here is something you should read, if you don't think mlg is an esport almost 10,000 people PAID to watch 1 mlg event in 2009 live...... half a million watched the live stream! This is ESports! | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
In addition, Blizzard requests that all aspects of league management would have be authorized by them beforehand, including the acquiring of sponsorships, marketing planning and broadcast planning. Furthermore, Blizzard made other unreasonable requests beyond the rights of the copyright holder, such as royalties and sub-licensing fees on sponsorships and broadcasting fees, the right to audit KeSPA’s finances, as well as ownership of secondary content created through our unique resources in the teams, players, and broadcasting expertise. I have a hard time believing this is the absolute truth, but if it is. I'm with KeSPA on this one. Particularly concerning are the parts I have bolded. The underlined I feel is within reason. KeSPA does a great job representing corporate interest. I think the reason they are viewed poorly is that their primary concern is not the players. (They should create something else for that.) Blizzard has a right to protect their name, but KeSPA needs freedom to operate. There is miles of gray area fragmented throughout this whole situation. I hope something can be agreed on. It would be really terrible if SC2 was killed before it even had a chance by two stubborn bureaucracies. | ||
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buhhy
United States1113 Posts
If you truly believe that, then wow... Otherwise, nice troll. | ||
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