Blizzard to cease negotiations with KeSPA - Page 25

On April 27 2010 17:30 igotmyown wrote:


You guys have it backwards. Blizzard isn't removing LAN, locking regions, and such to control the SC scene.
What happens is Kespa's making however much millions or billions or whatever on their product.
Blizzard says, you know, since we made it, you're making ridiculous profit, don't you think you owe us something or have some say?
Kespa gives them the finger and stonewalls them for the last few years. They claim that broadcasting isn't violating blizzard's intellectual property and therefore they don't owe anything.
Blizzard: hmmm, we could either keep these bs loopholes in our new game and allow them exploit them or close them overly thoroughly.

They were perfectly fine with anti-hack and chaoslauncher even though they probably violate the EULA; they're willing to overlook just about everything as long as it's clear that they have the right to do so. They've never fined people.

I doubt Blizzard would put in any of these restrictions if Kespa agreed to cooperate. They don't care at all how Kespa runs their leagues, they probably just want Kespa to get permission from them, probably for some nominal sum or small percentage.
If there's a way to enable LAN and maintain intellectual property, I'm sure they'd be willing to do it. They would probably overlook it if someone finds a way to create a 3rd party LAN system, and only want the illegal part as IP leverage against kespa clones.

On April 27 2010 17:51 ZlaSHeR wrote:
I can't say how much they make exactly, the billions is a completely arbitrary number, but the money you can make from merchandising and advertising is a good amount. The most obscure sports in america can make money, even if its not a lot. Blizzard is the rightful owner to SCBW and SC2 and they have the legal and ethical rights to charge kespa for making money off of their game. I don't know how much kespa makes, but if it is a large company with hundreds of employees, they ARE making money.

On April 27 2010 17:56 nimoraca wrote:
Do you really know what nominal sum of money is Blizz asking for. I bet you don't. The point is KeSPA doesn't need SC2. There are a lot of good RTS games out there if they ever want to replace BW, which I seriously doubt they do. Just because the name of the game is Starcraft X doesn't automatically makes it anywhere close to being good as SCBW. Imagine NBA replacing basketball with something else.

On April 27 2010 16:20 xBillehx wrote:KeSPA isn't making too much themselves? They basically never lose money. They put no investment into the development of the game and broadcast it on TV collecting a ton of money from it.

On April 27 2010 16:20 xBillehx wrote:Starcraft 2 already has the hype it needs to surpass BW. KeSPA had nothing to do with that. Since KeSPA acted like a spoiled child, Blizzard will just find a new group who wants to make money by investing in their product and broadcasting.

On April 27 2010 18:32 roymarthyup wrote:
starcraft is like chess or football

if theres a chess or football tournament, do you have to pay the creator of chess or football money. well no because those people are dead.... however...



whats to stop KESPA from creating their own RTS game called "superstarchess" and its exactly like starcraft BW in every way except the units are all called different name.

such a video game project would actually not be expensive....

if kespa did that, they could still have starcraft tournaments but it would be called "superstarchess tournaments". the only difference is blizzard would make no money off the free advertising starcraft gets in starcraft tournaments




so blizzard can go F themselves to be honest. rts games are just a advances real time boardgame that programmers have coded to play out and be interfaced a certain way between the player and his controlls.


starcraft tournaments do not illegally sell starcraft, they only broadcast games on it..... blizzard should not have rights to the playing or the broadcasts

On April 27 2010 19:12 purgerinho wrote:
ppl, you don't understand one thing.. SC (and SC2) is a game like every other.. england invented a game (football), usa invented a game (basketball) and would you agree if they were asking money from everyone who plays football/basketball profesionally??? ofcourse you wouldn't agree.. well, blizzard is doing that. they want money for something it's not their ground. Kespa made SC goind for more then ten yrs and blizzard should be thankful for that. kespa is progaming organisation and it is like FIFA/NBA .. blizzard is here to invent games not to control who plays it and in which level

On April 27 2010 07:51 LxRogue wrote:
Blizzard has done virtually nothing over the years to help competitive SC.

- Maps and balance
- LAN latency
- Other launcher features
- Tournaments
- Ladders

All of this has been done by the Korean and foreign communities. Blizzard should be thanking fans of SC for the sales and publicity, not punishing them by attacking KeSPA.

On April 27 2010 20:22 Djin)ftw( wrote:
well, I dont get it. I dont know how people can elobarate in such ways.


This is just bullshit, seriously. I mean, lets even forget things like Blizzards World Wide Invitationals or the fact that they sponsored GomTV's first league with $10.000 or so, I'm too lazy to look it up.

What do you think was one of the main reasons why StarCraft became so popular in the first place, besides the game play? The battle.net, that's right. And that was for free all the time, maybe you forgot that. What do you think, how much money did Blizzard make by providing and maintaining an infrastructure like that not only for SC/BW, but also for the Diablo and Warcraft 2+ series?
To say Blizzard "did nothing over the years to help competitive SC" is just.. wow nvm. I mean, you actually realize that Blizzard is there to sell computer games?

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Besides that, I dont really understand why people care about KeSPa or e-Sports as it is. To be honest, I think E-Sport as it is sucks big time. Why? Because the non-Korean scene is only semi-pro. Personally, I would like to see a morrow, kolll, lzgamer, ret sc2 pro gaming team much more than some random Korean company hosted team with some random Korean players.

So there is SC/BW. Its popular, there is evolving a broadcasting infrastructure. Companies come and sponsor teams, it all gets professional. The sponsoring companies organize themselves in KeSPa, make their own pro-league and own all the players/licenses. That's how I understood it.

Where is the problem if KeSPa "dies"? Blizzard will make a deal with GomTV or Ongamenet/MBCgame without Kespa, who cares (someone already linked an article saying they negoiate with CJ entus). And if SC2 becomes a success, do you really think that the KeSPa companies or OGN/MBC wont adept? Just because they will have to pay a certain percentage of their revenue to Blizzard? This is just ridiculously stupid.
As long as there is money to be made, there will be E-Sport. If Blizzard is too greedy and wants too much, people will just play something else because there are higher price moneys or whatever. If OGN/MBC dont support SC2, there will be a GomTV to do so.

I seriously dont see a problem. I just hope that there will be non-Korean progaming teams who can compete with them. I'm sick of having to watch Korean commercials or not being able to understand the commentators. It was funny for some time (PLAGGGGGGGUUUUUUUEEEEEEE), but not anymore.

€: when I come to think of it, maybe I'll sit here in 3 years watching Chinese TV seeing Chinese players playing professional SC2 instead of Korean.... omg no pls