EPTBlizzard to cease negotiations with KeSPA - Page 26
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
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k!llua
Australia895 Posts
I can't even really think of a developer besides Valve who would patch something as huge as replays into a game a few years after release. There's nothing wrong with asking for royalties, but imposing a fee to run a tournament is a bit prohibitive. I'm thinking of some of the smaller countries in Asia, or even here in Australia where we just want to have our tourneys and a little bit of fun. We don't have loads of cash to splash around, and no-one wants to go against Blizzard's wishes if they can help it. | ||
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Seijuro
52 Posts
u people dont understand a thing yet u talk as if u're working for kespa/blizzard and know everything, so pathetic :D all i have to say is: Kespa sucks - at least at the moment ^.^ Blizz Pwns ! Dont mess with blizzard, kespa, u fools xD how could kespa actually ever win such a fight?  | ||
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MasterFischer
Denmark836 Posts
Kespa is no more. Whatever symbol of unity and strength it once provided is a phantom, a memory. Blizzard will find a new strong partner and kick off ESPORTS in other places than just KOREA. SCII is gonna be a worldwide huge sucess, embraced by thousands of new pro gamers around the world. Prepare. | ||
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Greth
Belgium318 Posts
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Radiomouse
Netherlands209 Posts
On April 27 2010 21:58 J1.au wrote: KeSPA provides a stable environment for the corporate sponsors. Without the sponsors we wouldn't have players like Flash and Jaedong, simple as that. They are the reason BW is still fun to watch. a dubious statement at best. KeSPA has fucked over several progamers because of silly rules and they pretty much keep the players on a tight leash. | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
On April 27 2010 22:40 MasterFischer wrote: Blizzard will find a new strong partner and kick off ESPORTS in other places than just KOREA. . You guys are so delusional. You just believe any sort of basic marketing speech you're beeing thrown. Blizzard doesn't know what Esports are and doesn't give a flying fuck. Lol they even give cash to Arena players calling them pro gamers and WoW esports hahahaha. And you compare that to 10 years of Esports experience and its business models ? | ||
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sLiniss
United States849 Posts
I just hope it gets figured out so that SC or SC2 will survive. | ||
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crappen
Norway1546 Posts
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olof
Sweden254 Posts
On April 27 2010 23:56 crappen wrote: Somehow I kind of feel a distance to play starcraft reading this. Just feels wrong that blizzard owns my playing and creativity in game. Players makes a good game, blizzard simply has provided tools to do so, like the adobe photoshop example, is adobe needing license and money if someone was to launch a competition in similar fascion? I agree. No adobe doesn't require money for anything created using their programs, unless your counting the onetime cost of buying the program. Being an artstudent I have never heard of adobe trying to claim money from businesses making photoshoptutorials or anything like that (which is a decent market). One could argue that Photoshop is sold for a high price, but compared to other programs used in production I'd say not. Keeping in mind that StarCraft 2 will be sold in three separate episodes I really can't see any reason for demanding royalties. It's free advertisement. | ||
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nimoraca
Serbia84 Posts
On April 28 2010 00:10 olof wrote: I agree. No adobe doesn't require money for anything created using their programs, unless your counting the onetime cost of buying the program. Being an artstudent I have never heard of adobe trying to claim money from businesses making photoshoptutorials or anything like that (which is a decent market). One could argue that Photoshop is sold for a high price, but compared to other programs used in production I'd say not. Keeping in mind that StarCraft 2 will be sold in three separate episodes I really can't see any reason for demanding royalties. It's free advertisement. This here sums it up beautifully! Adobe does not charge you for selling a tutorial about Photoshop. They even encourage it. Why not, you are popularizing their software, so they can sell more. Blizzard has sold half of the total sold SCBW copies inside Korea. It has earned at least 150 mill form it. It is probably more that KeSPA has earned, or in a comparable range. WTF Blizzard, you greedy bastards. | ||
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AyJay
1515 Posts
On April 27 2010 23:56 crappen wrote: Somehow I kind of feel a distance to play starcraft reading this. Just feels wrong that blizzard owns my playing and creativity in game. Players makes a good game, blizzard simply has provided tools to do so, like the adobe photoshop example, is adobe needing license and money if someone was to launch a competition in similar fascion? You can play games, you own them because you bought them, but you can't use them to make money. For example: you can't make channel on you playing various games and hope for google partnership. It's same stuff for every game including starcraft2. | ||
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BlueSorc
United Kingdom119 Posts
When you produce an image on Photoshop, the image you display doesn't contain any copyrighted material that Adobe owns. You just made it with their program. It does seem a little silly, to me, that Blizzard isn't entitled to some of the pie. Not necessarily a huge slab of it, but a slice nonetheless. I don't think that's greedy; I think that's probably just fair. | ||
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pheus
Australia161 Posts
On April 28 2010 00:56 BlueSorc wrote: Its a slightly different issue for Blizzard and Starcraft, as compared to Adobe and Photoshop. The number one thing in my mind is that, in order to broadcast Starcraft as an Esport, it necessitates showing the actual game itself... which includes artwork and sounds and so on that Blizzard have a copyright on. When you produce an image on Photoshop, the image you display doesn't contain any copyrighted material that Adobe owns. You just made it with their program. It does seem a little silly, to me, that Blizzard isn't entitled to some of the pie. Not necessarily a huge slab of it, but a slice nonetheless. I don't think that's greedy; I think that's probably just fair. Fact is, it's Blizzard's game and they can do whatever the fuck they want with it, including telling people that they have to pay them if they want to use it to make profits. It doesn't matter at all what any of us think they should be doing morally or ethically. When you choose to buy their game you are doing it under the conditions they specify. They are not forcing anyone to do anything, anyone and everyone can choose to accept the conditions or not purchase the game. | ||
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TrickyCat
United States15 Posts
On April 27 2010 23:56 crappen wrote: Somehow I kind of feel a distance to play starcraft reading this. Just feels wrong that blizzard owns my playing and creativity in game. Players makes a good game, blizzard simply has provided tools to do so, like the adobe photoshop example, is adobe needing license and money if someone was to launch a competition in similar fascion? That's an inaccurate comparison, and as I read through this thread, it melts my brain just thinking about it. You cannot compare Adobe Photoshop to Starcraft II. Adobe Photoshop is a tool in of itself, that happens to be software. It's a program designed to give it's user creative power to develop things not related to photoshop. You are constantly injecting non-photoshop related images and things into photoshop. Starcraft II is a video game. I understand the competitive nature to make a legitimate esport with it. But in the end, it's a video game that is designed to be played. You can do amazing things with photoshop; you can create illustrations, or touch up photographs. You're not creating or modifying something non-starcraft II, when you play Starcraft II. You are playing Starcraft II. You may devise clever tricks and tactics, but all these strategies end up in the same end result. You either win the game of Starcraft, or you lose. it is a game. Comparing Photoshop to Starcraft is akin to comparing a hammer to a chess board. they are not remotely the same, and have 2 different purposes completely. And as such, different rules apply to them. | ||
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inlagdsil
Canada957 Posts
On April 27 2010 22:07 Seijuro wrote: its quite funny to read all ur wannabe posts about this shit xDD u people dont understand a thing yet u talk as if u're working for kespa/blizzard and know everything, so pathetic :D all i have to say is: Kespa sucks - at least at the moment ^.^ Blizz Pwns ! Dont mess with blizzard, kespa, u fools xD how could kespa actually ever win such a fight? This post makes more sense when you read the paragraphs in reverse order.  I think that no matter what intrigues occur between blizzard and kespa, the huge demand from fans and interest from sponsors will ensure that SC2 will have a good professional scene. | ||
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olof
Sweden254 Posts
On April 28 2010 01:36 TrickyCat wrote: That's an inaccurate comparison, and as I read through this thread, it melts my brain just thinking about it. You cannot compare Adobe Photoshop to Starcraft II. Adobe Photoshop is a tool in of itself, that happens to be software. It's a program designed to give it's user creative power to develop things not related to photoshop. You are constantly injecting non-photoshop related images and things into photoshop. Starcraft II is a video game. I understand the competitive nature to make a legitimate esport with it. But in the end, it's a video game that is designed to be played. You can do amazing things with photoshop; you can create illustrations, or touch up photographs. You're not creating or modifying something non-starcraft II, when you play Starcraft II. You are playing Starcraft II. You may devise clever tricks and tactics, but all these strategies end up in the same end result. You either win the game of Starcraft, or you lose. it is a game. Comparing Photoshop to Starcraft is akin to comparing a hammer to a chess board. they are not remotely the same, and have 2 different purposes completely. And as such, different rules apply to them. You don't think a professional player that works as a gamer uses StarCraft as a 'tool' for his creativity? How about a commentator then? | ||
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hacpee
United States752 Posts
On April 27 2010 20:22 Djin)ftw( wrote: well, I dont get it. I dont know how people can elobarate in such ways. This is just bullshit, seriously. I mean, lets even forget things like Blizzards World Wide Invitationals or the fact that they sponsored GomTV's first league with $10.000 or so, I'm too lazy to look it up. What do you think was one of the main reasons why StarCraft became so popular in the first place, besides the game play? The battle.net, that's right. And that was for free all the time, maybe you forgot that. What do you think, how much money did Blizzard make by providing and maintaining an infrastructure like that not only for SC/BW, but also for the Diablo and Warcraft 2+ series? To say Blizzard "did nothing over the years to help competitive SC" is just.. wow nvm. I mean, you actually realize that Blizzard is there to sell computer games? ... Besides that, I dont really understand why people care about KeSPa or e-Sports as it is. To be honest, I think E-Sport as it is sucks big time. Why? Because the non-Korean scene is only semi-pro. Personally, I would like to see a morrow, kolll, lzgamer, ret sc2 pro gaming team much more than some random Korean company hosted team with some random Korean players. So there is SC/BW. Its popular, there is evolving a broadcasting infrastructure. Companies come and sponsor teams, it all gets professional. The sponsoring companies organize themselves in KeSPa, make their own pro-league and own all the players/licenses. That's how I understood it. Where is the problem if KeSPa "dies"? Blizzard will make a deal with GomTV or Ongamenet/MBCgame without Kespa, who cares (someone already linked an article saying they negoiate with CJ entus). And if SC2 becomes a success, do you really think that the KeSPa companies or OGN/MBC wont adept? Just because they will have to pay a certain percentage of their revenue to Blizzard? This is just ridiculously stupid. As long as there is money to be made, there will be E-Sport. If Blizzard is too greedy and wants too much, people will just play something else because there are higher price moneys or whatever. If OGN/MBC dont support SC2, there will be a GomTV to do so. I seriously dont see a problem. I just hope that there will be non-Korean progaming teams who can compete with them. I'm sick of having to watch Korean commercials or not being able to understand the commentators. It was funny for some time (PLAGGGGGGGUUUUUUUEEEEEEE), but not anymore. €: when I come to think of it, maybe I'll sit here in 3 years watching Chinese TV seeing Chinese players playing professional SC2 instead of Korean.... omg no pls  You summed it up right there. What incentive to players have to play 12 hours a day, 7 days a week to master the game if in 2 years everyone will move on to something else? It makes no sense to invest that much time and effort into something that will disappear in a very short time. If you don't have players dedicating that much time, then the quality of play will go down. I already see very bad micro in the SC2 streams. Even in the Nony streams, you see his micro mistakes constantly and cringe. For example, in the day9 streams of Nony's pheonix build, Nony tries to micro his phoenixes(through a moving shot) and looks like an Iccup D+ newb who is trying to micro his Mutas. Do you seriously want to watch players making a shit ton of mistakes or do you want to watch as perfect of a game played as possible? | ||
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AyJay
1515 Posts
What incentive to players have to play 12 hours a day, 7 days a week to master the game if in 2 years everyone will move on to something else? What do you mean? SC:BW was there for 11 years and I'm pretty sure it will stick around for even more o.O | ||
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NonFactor
Sweden698 Posts
On April 28 2010 02:20 AyJay wrote: What do you mean? SC:BW was there for 11 years and I'm pretty sure it will stick around for even more o.O This is the biggest chance BW has of dying. Quite clearly it already happened on foreign scene. Yes there are still some players but competition is dead, all top players moved along. Now what will happen in Korea will be decided entirely by some type of politics, imo. | ||
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