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Korea Swept In Illegal Starcraft League Gambling - Page 56
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
Like I told another user, why not just watch pro wrestling then? | ||
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SkelA
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Demand2k
Norway875 Posts
On April 15 2010 01:05 On_Slaught wrote: So based upon your logic, you editing your original post to add "thank god i'm a flash fan" is not only meaningless, but ironically puts you in the same boat as the fans of other players implicated. I claimed no "logic" that you can derive your post from, neither can I be put "in a boat"; That's a negative implication that would require you to know my motivations (and demotivations). To elaborate: a) I don't find the whole situation surprising given the nature of youngsters. b) I follow Flash's career (whom I believe is obviously innocent), and care nothing for other players. Send me a PM instead if you're just in it for the bashing, mate. | ||
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_awake_
196 Posts
On April 14 2010 22:13 PanzerDragoon wrote: If it takes players throwing matches to get you more interested, why not just watch pro fucking wrestling? I mean, you just want fake drama, right? nice strawman. who says i want fake drama?  this is real drama happening right now. it's interesting because this scandal has completely rocked the scene. several of the top players haven't been performing well lately, and the cause could be attributed to the behind-the-scenes investigations taking place. after the illegal betting was exposed, you can be 100% certain that none of the players are throwing away any matches. isn't that what you wanted? real matches Q_Q | ||
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
There's really nothing stopping games from being affected after the controversy dies down. Not in teamleague, but in individual league its still entirely possible. | ||
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Disastorm
United States922 Posts
On April 15 2010 03:03 PanzerDragoon wrote: Proleague is fixed for now, because of the new format of announcing matches. Now you'd have to bribe entire teams, and I don't really think the money is there for it. There's really nothing stopping games from being affected after the controversy dies down. Not in teamleague, but in individual league its still entirely possible. interesting I didn't think of it like that. Proleague must have changed their format due to the scandal. | ||
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
On April 15 2010 02:54 SkelA wrote: SO they "caught" the guys they are under investigation. Whoever cheated will get punished. So yea i will enjoy the games like before. Whats the problem here then ? because if it happened before, its likely to happen again if there aren't increased rules and changes. And do you think they ever catch "everyone" involved in these? | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
On April 15 2010 02:54 SkelA wrote: SO they "caught" the guys they are under investigation. Whoever cheated will get punished. So yea i will enjoy the games like before. Whats the problem here then ? Because none of that happened, and instead of going for a complete and public review of everything that happened they are trying to cover it up and sweep it under the rug. | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On April 15 2010 03:13 PanzerDragoon wrote: because if it happened before, its likely to happen again if there aren't increased rules and changes. And do you think they ever catch "everyone" involved in these? One point you also have to consider is that these gambling sites will be under a lot of observation from now on. And even if they manage to survive the betters as well as the teams will be from now on a bit suspiscious if these sites offer a 2$ for 1$ if Jaedong beats Hyuk (not saying that any of these two is guilty, was just the first example of big upset that came to my mind). Good point with the Proleague format change btw. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
On April 15 2010 03:29 On_Slaught wrote: At this point all we can do is wait for a list of names to be released. It seems like savior will be on that list for sure tho (which is sad to see). I agree with that, there's really no reason to get too worked up until we see the evidence... or else you're just going to hurt yourself. | ||
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Smorrie
Netherlands2950 Posts
Anybody has any idea what kind of punishment are we looking at? Couple years of jail time? | ||
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
On April 15 2010 03:21 cz wrote: Because none of that happened, and instead of going for a complete and public review of everything that happened they are trying to cover it up and sweep it under the rug. The other issue here is that for me, at least, the new Proleague format they've instituted as a countermeasure is a total hype killer. It's a lot harder to get excited for a match when there are no lineups beforehand to generate discussion and predictions. Also, it's a little early yet to say for sure, but I feel like match quality has fallen now that lesser players can't even practice for a specific matchup or review an opponent's VODs to plan a clever cheese. I'm very glad to see that the Ministry of Culture has spoken out. Maybe (and this is a big maybe) government involvement will counterbalance the powerful business interests that are involved in the coverup. Nonetheless, KeSPA's roundabout ways of responding to this point and the signs that they're trying to sweep the problem under the rug even now don't bode well for an effective resolution and continued fan interest. | ||
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
On April 15 2010 03:24 Fenrax wrote: One point you also have to consider is that these gambling sites will be under a lot of observation from now on. And even if they manage to survive the betters as well as the teams will be from now on a bit suspiscious if these sites offer a 2$ for 1$ if Jaedong beats Hyuk (not saying that any of these two is guilty, was just the first example of big upset that came to my mind). Good point with the Proleague format change btw. These gambling sites have always been under "observation". No one gives a shit, just like Rekrul said. Ditto with prostitution and any of the other "illegal" vices in Korea. The betting sites just slip the police some money and they look the other way. If they get shut down, they start up somewhere else. You're not going to be able to stop people from gambling, so you should legalize it, take your government's cut of it, and try to institute controls to get it out of the hands of organized crime. For example, in the United States, one of the biggest rackets ran by the mob was the "numbers game." It was basically a pick 3 or pick 4 lottery, just like states run today. Eventually, the government gave up trying to stop them and started their own lottery, which completely squeezed the numbers game out. Now instead of the money going to gangsters, it gets pumped into the education and infrastructure. If Korea was smart they'd legalize the gambling, because they will never stop it. Take their cut. With a government sanctioned (or even government run), it would be much harder to bribe because now individuals would have to bribe with their own money, instead of corporate entities with deep pockets (and gambling companies make much more money than any one person does when they win a bet, so the problem wouldn't be as bad). But it would be "immoral" to legalize gambling so I doubt it will happen. | ||
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
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oovv
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dellesh1ruH
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On April 15 2010 03:50 PanzerDragoon wrote: These gambling sites have always been under "observation". No one gives a shit, just like Rekrul said. Ditto with prostitution and any of the other "illegal" vices in Korea. The betting sites just slip the police some money and they look the other way. If they get shut down, they start up somewhere else. You're not going to be able to stop people from gambling, so you should legalize it, take your government's cut of it, and try to institute controls to get it out of the hands of organized crime. For example, in the United States, one of the biggest rackets ran by the mob was the "numbers game." It was basically a pick 3 or pick 4 lottery, just like states run today. Eventually, the government gave up trying to stop them and started their own lottery, which completely squeezed the numbers game out. Now instead of the money going to gangsters, it gets pumped into the education and infrastructure. If Korea was smart they'd legalize the gambling, because they will never stop it. Take their cut. With a government sanctioned (or even government run), it would be much harder to bribe because now individuals would have to bribe with their own money, instead of corporate entities with deep pockets (and gambling companies make much more money than any one person does when they win a bet, so the problem wouldn't be as bad). But it would be "immoral" to legalize gambling so I doubt it will happen. My main point is that until now this sites might have been observed, but not for the possibility of manipulating games. Now that people see it this way I am sure they cant keep manipulating this way. Everytime one of these bigger sites would offer strange odds (like 2:1 for the big favorite) in the future too much attention will come up. The important people, especially from the team that gets the bad odds, would know about it and do something about it. Also the betters will get more sceptical if the odds get too ... odd. It just won't pay off in the future this way, they will have to find something new. | ||
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Railxp
Hong Kong1313 Posts
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
On April 15 2010 04:49 Fenrax wrote: My main point is that until now this sites might have been observed, but not for the possibility of manipulating games. Now that people see it this way I am sure they cant keep manipulating this way. Everytime one of these bigger sites would offer strange odds (like 2:1 for the big favorite) in the future too much attention will come up. The important people, especially from the team that gets the bad odds, would know about it and do something about it. Also the betters will get more sceptical if the odds get too ... odd. It just won't pay off in the future this way, they will have to find something new. not even that, just by the increasingly large pot size of any match, every better can be sure that theres a higher change of it being fixed, therefore, people will bet less therefore, less money to be made from fixing therefore, less fixing will be done | ||
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