EPTOn April 15 2010 09:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
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Korea Swept In Illegal Starcraft League Gambling - Page 58
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China10252 Posts
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dhe95
United States1213 Posts
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Lebesgue
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On April 15 2010 11:23 LuCky. wrote: Too much risk in illegal betting, you don't know if the player will go through with the offer even if he/she initially accepts. That would be true if that was "one-shot" interaction. But for player taking money and not losing will mean that he will not get another offer to rig his game again. Hence, there is incentive to deliver in term of future money. | ||
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theramstoss
Canada242 Posts
On April 15 2010 10:04 StRyKeR wrote: I'm not saying it's more profitable to go with the odds. I was just explaining how you could make money with your "pal" Luxury and don't have to resort to rigging with Flash, the favored player. fixing a game by approaching the underdog is stupid.. Even if the odds are 1:1 like Jaedong vs flash it's stupid. Why would you do that when you can rig a match that's 1:10? | ||
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
On April 15 2010 07:08 StRyKeR wrote: lol, the internet really tests one's patience. First, Flash is not THAT overwhelming of a favorite against every player. If you recall, Jaedong vs. Flash was split pretty evenly on odds. I imagine that Bisu vs. Flash would also look similar. Or Stork. Even Really, since he's won before. In all these cases, there's enough odds to make money because it only slightly favors Flash. Second, you can still make a lot of money betting with the odds. Let's walk through an example. Let's say Flash is favored to win against Luxury 2:1. Let's say there's $20000 in the pool for Flash and $10000 in the pool for Lux. Let's now say that you rig the game so that Lux loses. You bet an extra $10000 for Flash, so that there's $30000 for Flash and $10000 for Lux. Lux loses. You were $10000 of the total $30000 pot for Flash, so you deserve 1/3 of the pot in Lux. You get paid $10000/3 = about $3333. I'd say that's worth it. Normally, no one would bet so big, but that's because they're not sure. Heck, as a rigger, you could bet $1000000 for Flash and grab 99% of Lux's pot. Your'e right though, that if the odds were super bad, there's no incentive. If Flash was at $10000 and Lux was at $100, no one would risk getting caught to make $100 bucks. Would you now enlighten me on your gambling experiences? The people fixing the games are not the individual gamblers. It was the gambling sites. You don't want to fix matches with evenly matched players because you want people to take the "good odds" on favorites that you've paid off to lose. | ||
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
The only way you'd have players throwing matches to Flash is if there was some organization that wanted to pimp Flash out as the next megastar of the game. Otherwise, for the gambling sites, it makes way more sense to have them approach A-listers, throw 5,000 grand at them to throw the game, and then set the line to something stupid like, Luxury vs Idra, 1:1 odds. Everyones going to take Luxury obviously, then Idra wins, and the gambling sites make tons of fucking money | ||
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Canada603 Posts
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FusionCutter
Canada974 Posts
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http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2010041509078 Fraud Scandal Rocks Pro Starcraft Gaming APRIL 15, 2010 06:41 A criminal investigation has begun into the alleged rigging of Starcraft game competitions, Seoul prosecutors said yesterday. The Korea e-Sports Association and a pro gamers’ group reportedly found circumstantial evidence that more than 10 active and retired pro gamers pocketed bribes by fabricating game results on illegal betting Web sites. Prosecutors were asked to launch an investigation last month. Betting valuable items on Starcraft games is illegal. People can legally gamble on sports only through Sports Toto lotteries, which are issued under the Public Sport Promotion Act, or bet on horseracing and bicycle and canoe racing. Fabricating wins and losses of online games are conducted through illegal Web sites called “playgrounds.” These sites are operated by overseas-based servers and are known to a small number of exclusive members through online game cafes and other routes. The sites operate on an ad hoc basis by informing Web addresses to members via mobile phones after switching to other servers if a criminal probe is suspected. This makes it difficult to trace their operators. The stakes reportedly range from dozens to thousands of dollars. The scandal allegedly started when ex-pro gamers who served as illegal brokers promised money to junior pro gamers. The brokers approached pro gamers with good records in the pro or individual leagues, offering them bribes for intentionally losing games. The brokers are also suspected of exploiting the practice of betters generally making their bets on pro gamers with stellar records by betting on rivals with inferior performance. They also reportedly bribed promising novices on pro gaming teams, illegally acquired video files of training by famous players, and figured out the latter’s strategies in advance. Pro gamers usually debut in their mid to late teens, and are forced to retire in their mid-20s. Notably, minors on pro gaming teams earn little salary, and find bribes hard to resist. A retired pro gamer who is now a game commentator said, “If young players in their 20s who once lived like a hero start to lose to younger players, they can hardly resist the temptation to make one big bet.” After the suspicion was raised, the association recently changed its practice of releasing the names of players who play in pro leagues in advance. The list will now be announced on the day of a competition to prevent prior contact and collusion between gamers and brokers. Pro teams will also expel players implicated in the fabrication or block them from competitions until the truth is confirmed. Of the more than 10 players implicated in the scandal, half of them are famous active players. The remainder comprises players in the minor league and brokers. | ||
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theramstoss
Canada242 Posts
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ZBiR
Poland1092 Posts
On April 15 2010 15:43 theramstoss wrote: Can a Korean person post the link/translation to the interview of Stork and the blog entry by that government official regarding this.. I'm too busy to do it right now. What Stork interview? Is there any regarding this situation? | ||
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theramstoss
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JaimeR
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 Nal_rA always seemed like the kind of guy who appears super nice but you wouldn't trust with your daughter 'cos somewhere behind that facade is a heart that is darker than the oceans. | ||
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theramstoss
Canada242 Posts
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Australia9 Posts
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Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
On April 15 2010 08:49 NastyMarine wrote: And how do you exactly ponder about that one? Does your extensive time in the business tell you that? Or do you refuse to believe that throwing a game is just as easy as throwing a pie. Look, I'm just looking at it from afar watching the immense popularity of the game. We all know that the business grosses a large sum; no one thinks for a second that maybe, just maybe, that this sort of thing is happening behind the scenes? Commons sense maybe? What does this have to do with buisness? Illegal betting on Starcraft is as unavoidable as in any sport where you are prohibited to gamble legally. Hell most people dont sweat about it and even frequently bet each other themselves to ''make the match more interesting'' So sites providing this opportunity to gamblers on high stakes are not so much of a strech. Match fixing on the other hand require contact with progamers, their willingness to cooperate and muc more exposure, not to mention that they are in essence cheating not only law, but other gamblers as well (not that it matters very much, but may if word gets out in so small and isolated community). Not that I say it is impossible as it is not and probably happened if investigation is in order. | ||
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Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
On April 15 2010 17:56 JaimeR wrote: It's pretty disappointing that it all started for older retired pro-gamers - what's that label they use starting with H that denotes seniority and respect? Nal_rA always seemed like the kind of guy who appears super nice but you wouldn't trust with your daughter 'cos somewhere behind that facade is a heart that is darker than the oceans.Hyung | ||
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1tym
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