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On April 16 2010 02:08 On_Slaught wrote:
I can't imagine tasteless actually gave them any names for that.
People who continue to post names or random players and basically libel them and don't know when to shut up should be banned imo once the real report comes out and we find out such names really aren't on the list.
If they are... then we got bigger problems then who is right and wrong.
Tasteless informed them that they should write on the subject I would think.
And I dont know if theres even gonna be an official report with all the names at all :/
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what's the point going public if they didn't release any names, this is fuckin stoopid. They play with our mental, i'm not gonna pay attention to this shit anymore, and do like nothing happened.
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damn....was just about to post that aswell
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it was on the biggest serious german news portal (spiegel.de) as well 2 or 3 days ago.
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So was I hahaha, oh wow. Starcraft getting some much-needed PR up in here. It was never really big in Norway.
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The reason you want to give a report with names is to protect the people who are indicated unjustly.
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On April 16 2010 01:32 okum wrote:...whose source is this thread, lol.
And I am also not sure I trust a website that says savior's name is "Ja Mae Yoon" for a few days now and no one editting it
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On April 15 2010 07:08 StRyKeR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2010 06:39 PanzerDragoon wrote:On April 15 2010 05:53 StRyKeR wrote:On April 15 2010 02:56 Demand2k wrote:On April 15 2010 01:05 On_Slaught wrote:On April 15 2010 00:33 Demand2k wrote:On April 15 2010 00:29 lone_hydra wrote:On April 15 2010 00:22 Demand2k wrote:
Thinking back at how you were yourselves as 15-20 years old greedy hormon bombs... are you HONESTLY shocked? Umm yes. You cannot compare us to them. We grew up in different environments, had different responsibilities, different lifestyles. You might as well expect 98% of all african teenagers can read since 98% of North American children can read using your crap logic. You are wrong. Greed and jealousy are both human nature, literacy is not. Your comparison is so bad it's almost tempting to call you childish. So based upon your logic, you editing your original post to add "thank god i'm a flash fan" is not only meaningless, but ironically puts you in the same boat as the fans of other players implicated. I claimed no "logic" that you can derive your post from, neither can I be put "in a boat"; That's a negative implication that would require you to know my motivations (and demotivations). To elaborate: a) I don't find the whole situation surprising given the nature of youngsters. b) I follow Flash's career (whom I believe is obviously innocent), and care nothing for other players. Send me a PM instead if you're just in it for the bashing, mate. This incident also affects Flash negatively though. Not sure how you can feel totally fine. Every win that Flash gets will have a shadow of doubt as to whether it was rigged. Why would you fix the match to have Flash win? That makes no fucking sense at all. You fix the match for the underdog to win so you can rake in money from people betting on the favorite by giving favorable odds on the favorite. Have you ever gambled on sports before? lol, the internet really tests one's patience. First, Flash is not THAT overwhelming of a favorite against every player. If you recall, Jaedong vs. Flash was split pretty evenly on odds. I imagine that Bisu vs. Flash would also look similar. Or Stork. Even Really, since he's won before. In all these cases, there's enough odds to make money because it only slightly favors Flash. Second, you can still make a lot of money betting with the odds. Let's walk through an example. Let's say Flash is favored to win against Luxury 2:1. Let's say there's $20000 in the pool for Flash and $10000 in the pool for Lux. Let's now say that you rig the game so that Lux loses. You bet an extra $10000 for Flash, so that there's $30000 for Flash and $10000 for Lux. Lux loses. You were $10000 of the total $30000 pot for Flash, so you deserve 1/3 of the pot in Lux. You get paid $10000/3 = about $3333. I'd say that's worth it. Normally, no one would bet so big, but that's because they're not sure. Heck, as a rigger, you could bet $1000000 for Flash and grab 99% of Lux's pot. Your'e right though, that if the odds were super bad, there's no incentive. If Flash was at $10000 and Lux was at $100, no one would risk getting caught to make $100 bucks. Would you now enlighten me on your gambling experiences?
That's a lot of writing to illustrate a pretty simple concept. If the perceived value is at 40% as reflected by the line while his true value is really close to 0% because it's rigged, betting on the favorite to win at 60% odds is a strong edge because their true value is actually near 100%. So yes, ANY PLAYER could be be benefitting/involved in a rigged match. And a smart rigger would definitely use a lot of these situations to obscure what is going on considering the favorite is still winning, while people don't think much beyond that. Whereas if an overwhelming favorite loses, it will be much more heavily analyzed, but your edge will be greater. And the best approach to avoid getting caught would be to do both kinds of rigging for lots of different players so that no obvious pattern ever exists. There's no way to know for certain how big this is until more information is uncovered. There are no players involved in the leagues that are immune from scrutiny, whether they are at fault or are victims because of free wins. And the truth is that for every rigged match it has affected the decisions and lives of a lot of people.
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The lack of an official, timely statement from KeSPA is killing me....
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On April 16 2010 08:30 mrdx wrote:
The lack of an official, timely statement from KeSPA is killing me....
maybe they're trying keep the lid on it long enough for people to forget about it
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On April 16 2010 03:58 MrBob wrote: And I am also not sure I trust a website that says savior's name is "Ja Mae Yoon" for a few days now and no one editting it
Hey! Everyone gets a little confused sometimes!
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On April 16 2010 11:45 Ya Jae Moon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2010 03:58 MrBob wrote:On April 16 2010 01:32 okum wrote:...whose source is this thread, lol. And I am also not sure I trust a website that says savior's name is "Ja Mae Yoon" for a few days now and no one editting it Hey! Everyone gets a little confused sometimes!
ROFL
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me, as an korean i'm so ebarrssed and feel disgusted..
this is so sad
SAD 
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On April 16 2010 12:53 ambit!ous1 wrote:me, as an korean i'm so ebarrssed and feel disgusted.. this is so sad SAD
don't worry stuff like this happens in every country for every sport
and you koreans are no different 
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On April 16 2010 13:33 Rekrul wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2010 12:53 ambit!ous1 wrote:me, as an korean i'm so ebarrssed and feel disgusted.. this is so sad SAD don't worry stuff like this happens in every country for every sport and you koreans are no different
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This is crazy and makes me sad about progaming.
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EPT
