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There is one thing I don't get: With the new rules, isn't the lineup appearance scoring going to be more crappy compared with the old system?
Example:
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Before:
oz 3 - skt 0
forgg > boxer
jaedong > bisu
hiya > fantasy
perfectman - soo
This way perfectman and soo get +1 for appearance, plus you were 100% sure that oz was going to line up a toss and skt a zerg. But now things could be like:
forgg > boxer
jaedong > bisu
hiya > fantasy
we don't need fourth match, bye. Only 6 guys with +1 for appearance, compared to the regular 8. (actually this would hurt no matter what race rule they use)
or
forgg > boxer
jaedong > bisu
hiya < fantasy
killer < best
jaedong < bisu
One could say that you can't exactly predict which players they will field if the rule was still there (probably spear/pm & soo/hyuk) but at least some people would put them in their teams.
Now, if you take wl as a premise, it's pretty obvious things like ace w/o zergs, estro w/o toss, hite w/o toss, oz w/o toss, etc will happen often. IMO this hurts the cheaper players more than it boost the "solid" players (since they are usually less and more expensive) and it will lead people to have more similar fpl lineups. I'm talking about guys like flying, horang2, perfectman, mvp just to name a few.
It would be cool if non-played races from each team get some love if things goes like in the example. Something like +1 to all oz protoss and skt zergs since their coach is a bitch. (Or maybe only if their team doesn't win). Maybe this would encourage people to just not put some 1$ player because of the team win.
p.s. I know that in wl things can go like: 4-0, only 5 different players see action and all of them can play the same race, but since this is not wl i'm just giving my opinion. :p
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omg who lowered upmagic and sangho points... was my core anti team gamers...
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so do players only get lineup points if they actually play? ie if SKT gets 3-0'd with Bisu, Best, and Hyuk losing, will Fantasy get 0 or 1 point?
cause now we dont really have the situation where a team gets 3-0'd and the 4th scheduled player doesnt play right?
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Braavos36402 Posts
On April 08 2010 14:35 Chen wrote:
so do players only get lineup points if they actually play? ie if SKT gets 3-0'd with Bisu, Best, and Hyuk losing, will Fantasy get 0 or 1 point?
Read the scoring example.
edit: Ohhh sorry, you mean the lineup point. Since we don't know who they would have sent, we can't assign a lineup point for a possible 4th player in 3-0 / 0-3 series.
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Braavos36402 Posts
Bisu has been added and is available for your teams.
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On April 07 2010 20:21 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2010 19:52 ThunderGod wrote:On April 07 2010 18:11 H wrote:
PL no longer has a race restriction. Wow... just wow. What's so wow about this? I mean its different, but its not super shocking or earth shattering at all.
Teams can start specialising in only one race, eventually fielding 4 of just one race. Eventually all teams will field 4 people of the same race, say Zerg.
Imbalanced maps could, of course, prevent this.
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man, new rule of lineup live really fucks your strategy
it's a pure guessing game now, no longer can i bet on low ranked players to score me some points...
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Braavos36402 Posts
On April 08 2010 19:21 ThunderGod wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2010 20:21 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 07 2010 19:52 ThunderGod wrote:On April 07 2010 18:11 H wrote:
PL no longer has a race restriction. Wow... just wow. What's so wow about this? I mean its different, but its not super shocking or earth shattering at all. Teams can start specialising in only one race, eventually fielding 4 of just one race. Eventually all teams will field 4 people of the same race, say Zerg. Imbalanced maps could, of course, prevent this.
A few years ago the format was hidden lineups for a long time before the current version of proleague and everything was fine. Teams didn't specialize in one race then, they didn't specialize in one race during WL, and they probably won't specialize in one race just because of this rule change. The world didn't collapse back then, it won't now.
Even if we ignore the historical evidence (which by itself is probably enough to show that there won't be some radical change like 4 zvzs constantly), here are several additional reasons:
- It takes years to learn and be comfortable with a race at the highest levels of SC, progamers aren't just going to switch.
- Teams don't necessarily have enough good players of one race. Many teams barely have 2 or 3 top level guys in each race. Where are they going to find others? Its not like Fantasy is going to switch to Protoss so SKT has a full P line.
- Teams need players of every race because they practice with teammates. If a team has all one race its more incentive for other teams to have a diversified team.
- Lastly, and probably most importantly, why would a team want to just specialize in one race and field 4 of one race anyway? What advantage does this bring?
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I think alot depends on tonight lol. If Bisu goes 0-2, everyone is sticking him on their anti. if he goes 2-0, he looks much more attractive at 7 points
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
Bisu for 7 points is...
Eh, I agree with Chen.
Will wait till after this.
But 7 points is still expensive T_T
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On April 08 2010 20:19 flamewheel91 wrote:
Bisu for 7 points is...
Eh, I agree with Chen.
Will wait till after this.
But 7 points is still expensive T_T
effort is 7 points, also unusually expensive (he's slumping hard)
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On April 08 2010 23:35 Musoeun wrote:What's going to happen to the players who got cut from their team's roster? Now that we know rosters and stuff... I don't remember how often rosters are changed.
It was changed already. UpMagic, Luxury etc. now all cost 1 point.
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awww i wish bisu was higher cos i gonna make him anti,anyway i suck at FPL and always get 1500th rank lol.I gonna try something new this new making my team "imba"
Rocket
Main Team
2  Han
3  Hyun
4 Killer
8  Light (captain)
2 Saint
6 Sea
5 MBCGame Hero
Anti Team
7 Bisu
3 Much
3 Yarnc
killer is the only 4 pt imo worth to be chosen,theres also Mind/Baby to fit in but Killer definitely appear in Oz's matches and hes pretty decent player whereas Mind and Baby [or wemade] will collide with each other's line up.As for others its all MBC players,Flash is just too expensive.
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On April 09 2010 00:36 justiceknight wrote:awww i wish bisu was higher cos i gonna make him anti,anyway i suck at FPL and always get 1500th rank lol.I gonna try something new this new making my team "imba" RocketMain Team2 Han3 Hyun4 Killer8 Light (captain) 2 Saint6 Sea5 MBCGame HeroAnti Team7 Bisu3 Much3 Yarnckiller is the only 4 pt imo worth to be chosen,theres also Mind/Baby to fit in but Killer definitely appear in Oz's matches and hes pretty decent player whereas Mind and Baby [or wemade] will collide with each other's line up.As for others its all MBC players,Flash is just too expensive.
you might wanna post your team here.
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Anyone else thinks that Boxer will dominate everyone this round?
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Luxury got changed down to one point from two. Almost went into the season with 29 points on my team.
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
On April 09 2010 01:17 No.Doubt wrote:
Luxury got changed down to one point from two. Almost went into the season with 29 points on my team.
Lux is off the roster for this month. There will be no point in having him on your team to start.
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7 points for Bisu?? Auto Anti-Team spot.
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