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Fantasy Proleague Scoring
Player Scoring: Lineup Appearance (non-Ace): +1 Point* Game Win (Ace included): +2 Points Game Loss (Ace included): -1 Point Ace Match Appearance: +2 Points 3-Game Win Streak: +1 Point 6-Game Win Streak: +2 Points 9-Game Win Streak: +3 Points Break Another Player's Streak: +1 Point Your Player's Team Wins: +1 Point**
*This point is applied even if your player does not play; he only has to appear in the lineup **This counts for all players on the team's roster, even if they did not play in the match
Hwaseung Oz: 2 Points (+2 for 3-2 Victory) SK Telecom T1: 0 Points (+0 for 2-3 Defeat) Jaedong: 8 Points (+1 for lineup, +4 for 2 wins, +2 for ace selection, +1 for team win) Hiya: 4 Points (+1 for lineup, +2 for win, +1 for team win) Best: 3 Points (+1 for lineup, +2 for win) Boxer: 3 Points (+1 for lineup, +2 for win) Young: 1 Point (+1 for lineup, -1 for loss, +1 for team win) Lomo: 1 Point (+1 for lineup, -1 for loss, +1 for team win) Bisu: 1 Point (+2 for ace selection, -1 for loss) Fantasy: 0 Points (+1 for lineup, -1 for loss) Everyone else on Hwaseung Oz: 1 Point (+1 for team win) Everyone else on SK Telecom T1: 0 Points
Good Luck!
Note: Please do not post your teams in this thread unless you add a lot of analysis about it. This is a thread about discussion, not signups, so there will be no spam posting of just your FPL team here. Thanks!
Quick note about Bisu. He has returned to SKT but we are waiting until the lineups come out before estimating his price. He will be available for selection as soon as lineups come out in the next few days, before PL starts this weekend.
Rofl, Flash at 12. I want to buy him but holy crap. What would he have to score to make up that price? As I don't see him getting too many ace matches even if he wins 90% of his games.
On April 07 2010 01:25 Chen wrote: so its impossible to gain points from your anti? back to picking players that never play i guess
No, its no longer possible to gain from your anti. It was kind of a mythic dream anyway, very few people gained from their anti when it was possible, so the best strategy was still to pick those that didn't lay. Perhaps we'll try to change this next season.
Flash is 12 points! You gotta be a pretty hardcore Flash fan to take him. I'll experiment a bit to see whether it is possible to fit him in without drastic steps such as taking a 0 point player...
Haha that season I gained 4 points off Ruby for having him on my anti. I think putting Skyhigh and Effort both on your anti-team is very high risk. I prefer to hedge.
My anti is looking like: Jangbi - 6 Modesty - 3 Hoejja - 4
I think Jangbi is definitely worth less than 6 points. He's a lot less likely to play Ace match than Stork or even FBH. Modesty is pretty bad, got some fluke wins and is a ZvZ sniper, which is my only fear that he'll snipe Calm or Effort or Jaedong in an ace match [Edit] Not calm my bad Hoejja is the worst 4 pointer, will get KT points but otherwise I don't expect much from him.
Luxury is priced at 2 this season, seems like a cheap pick. I know about the Luxury Chaos Theory that was posted by Hot Bid, and that I picked him up only for the team win component. He went 2-2 in Winner's League, so it was not up or down.
On April 07 2010 01:49 JodoYodo wrote: Haha that season I gained 4 points off Ruby for having him on my anti. I think putting Skyhigh and Effort both on your anti-team is very high risk. I prefer to hedge.
My anti is looking like: Jangbi - 6 Modesty - 3 Hoejja - 4
I think Jangbi is definitely worth less than 6 points. He's a lot less likely to play Ace match than Stork or even FBH. Modesty is pretty bad, got some fluke wins and is a ZvZ sniper, which is my only fear that he'll snipe Calm or Effort or Jaedong in an ace match Hoejja is the worst 4 pointer, will get KT points but otherwise I don't expect much from him.
i definitely like your anti team idea, but a better choice then modesty is jaehoon (3 points is a lot for a guy that SUCKS)
I love Hoejja to death, but going through the list, he seems like the easiest AT pick.
I actually put Skyhigh on my main for my first draft because he's pretty much guaranteed to be played. Same with Hiya and Great.
Why is there so few 5 pointers this round??
I also noticed....Stars is ridiculously under-priced, IMO
On April 07 2010 01:52 Jackal03 wrote:
i definitely like your anti team idea, but a better choice then modesty is jaehoon (3 points is a lot for a guy that SUCKS)
I think Modesty is a better AT pick just because he competes with Calm and Hero for a spot on the roster, where as Jaehoon, although shitty, might very well be MBC's best Protoss and more likely to play
On April 07 2010 01:49 JodoYodo wrote: Haha that season I gained 4 points off Ruby for having him on my anti. I think putting Skyhigh and Effort both on your anti-team is very high risk. I prefer to hedge.
My anti is looking like: Jangbi - 6 Modesty - 3 Hoejja - 4
I think Jangbi is definitely worth less than 6 points. He's a lot less likely to play Ace match than Stork or even FBH. Modesty is pretty bad, got some fluke wins and is a ZvZ sniper, which is my only fear that he'll snipe Calm or Effort or Jaedong in an ace match Hoejja is the worst 4 pointer, will get KT points but otherwise I don't expect much from him.
i definitely like your anti team idea, but a better choice then modesty is jaehoon (3 points is a lot for a guy that SUCKS)
Well I hope Modesty doesnt snipe his own teammate in the Ace Match...
I really hate the streak and streak break points. Why should the ordering of wins and losses affect scores? A lot of it just has to do with scheduling; if a player plays chump chump flash chump chump as opposed to chump x4 flash that's completely arbitrary.
On April 07 2010 01:56 Kyuukyuu wrote: Don't post teams here for no reason -_-
Anyways I forgot, are the new maps being played this round?
Don't see why not. Grand Line inc!
This is the discussion thread. In previous seasons, there were dozens of pages of just people posting their teams with no discussion. That's why this practice is banned.
On April 07 2010 01:56 Kyuukyuu wrote: Don't post teams here for no reason -_-
Anyways I forgot, are the new maps being played this round?
Don't see why not. Grand Line inc!
This is the discussion thread. In previous seasons, there were dozens of pages of just people posting their teams with no discussion. That's why this practice is banned.
On April 07 2010 01:50 Phelix wrote: Luxury is priced at 2 this season, seems like a cheap pick. I know about the Luxury Chaos Theory that was posted by Hot Bid, and that I picked him up only for the team win component. He went 2-2 in Winner's League, so it was not up or down.
On April 07 2010 03:19 Crunchums wrote: I really hate the streak and streak break points. Why should the ordering of wins and losses affect scores? A lot of it just has to do with scheduling; if a player plays chump chump flash chump chump as opposed to chump x4 flash that's completely arbitrary.
If you choose Flash and 5 chumps for your team, you have nothing to worry about
On April 07 2010 05:24 DreaM)XeRO wrote: I have room for either (6) Sea (6) Really or (5) free
free is the obvious choice.
I don't know. Really's far enough below 0.500 that he's due to start winning again; Sea might return to Round 1 form; free is just as unpredictable and has competition as ace from ZerO and Kwanro...
On April 07 2010 04:50 Chairman Ray wrote: Now that Hoejja is KTR's main Zerg, I don't think the Luxury chaos theory is gonna hold. We'll see though.
I don't think KT has had a main Zerg for two rounds straight since the last time Lux was good...
Is it just me or is all in Woongjin Stars not such a bad idea?
Woongjin Stars is priced at 3, which is cheap considering that they came #3 in Winner's League
$7 - ZerO - Just as good as the other $7 players $5 - Kwanro - Uprising, might even make it to become Woongjin's second ACE player $5 - free - Doing well lately $3 - GuemChi - Exploded in Winner's league with a 13-5 record. Jesus. $1 - SoulKey - The most underpriced player. After dominating Dream League and all killing STX in the quarter finals, this guy has shown both consistency and potential. $1 - MVP - The second best $1 next to SoulKey. MVP is good for $1, and also he's Woongjin's only Terran, so they have to send him out a lot.
On April 07 2010 07:08 Kenpachi wrote: Fuck yea! wait wheres bisu lol
They don't know if he's officially back from vacation. If he appears on the starting lineups, they'll add him in, otherwise, they'll put him up for trade mid season when he comes back.
On April 07 2010 07:06 Chairman Ray wrote: Is it just me or is all in Woongjin Stars not such a bad idea?
Woongjin Stars is priced at 3, which is cheap considering that they came #3 in Winner's League
$7 - ZerO - Just as good as the other $7 players $5 - Kwanro - Uprising, might even make it to become Woongjin's second ACE player $5 - free - Doing well lately $3 - GuemChi - Exploded in Winner's league with a 13-5 record. Jesus. $1 - SoulKey - The most underpriced player. After dominating Dream League and all killing STX in the quarter finals, this guy has shown both consistency and potential. $1 - MVP - The second best $1 next to SoulKey. MVP is good for $1, and also he's Woongjin's only Terran, so they have to send him out a lot.
but why soulkey its named Zerg in the list of FPL?
On April 07 2010 07:06 Chairman Ray wrote: Is it just me or is all in Woongjin Stars not such a bad idea?
Woongjin Stars is priced at 3, which is cheap considering that they came #3 in Winner's League
$7 - ZerO - Just as good as the other $7 players $5 - Kwanro - Uprising, might even make it to become Woongjin's second ACE player $5 - free - Doing well lately $3 - GuemChi - Exploded in Winner's league with a 13-5 record. Jesus. $1 - SoulKey - The most underpriced player. After dominating Dream League and all killing STX in the quarter finals, this guy has shown both consistency and potential. $1 - MVP - The second best $1 next to SoulKey. MVP is good for $1, and also he's Woongjin's only Terran, so they have to send him out a lot.
but why soulkey its named Zerg in the list of FPL?
There's two people named soulkey. Typing soulkey links to the Terran one =/ Be sure to get the Zerg one.
On April 07 2010 07:06 Chairman Ray wrote: Is it just me or is all in Woongjin Stars not such a bad idea?
Woongjin Stars is priced at 3, which is cheap considering that they came #3 in Winner's League
$7 - ZerO - Just as good as the other $7 players $5 - Kwanro - Uprising, might even make it to become Woongjin's second ACE player $5 - free - Doing well lately $3 - GuemChi - Exploded in Winner's league with a 13-5 record. Jesus. $1 - SoulKey - The most underpriced player. After dominating Dream League and all killing STX in the quarter finals, this guy has shown both consistency and potential. $1 - MVP - The second best $1 next to SoulKey. MVP is good for $1, and also he's Woongjin's only Terran, so they have to send him out a lot.
but why soulkey its named Zerg in the list of FPL?
There's two people named soulkey. Typing soulkey links to the Terran one =/ Be sure to get the Zerg one.
On April 07 2010 07:06 Chairman Ray wrote: Is it just me or is all in Woongjin Stars not such a bad idea?
Woongjin Stars is priced at 3, which is cheap considering that they came #3 in Winner's League
$7 - ZerO - Just as good as the other $7 players $5 - Kwanro - Uprising, might even make it to become Woongjin's second ACE player $5 - free - Doing well lately $3 - GuemChi - Exploded in Winner's league with a 13-5 record. Jesus. $1 - SoulKey - The most underpriced player. After dominating Dream League and all killing STX in the quarter finals, this guy has shown both consistency and potential. $1 - MVP - The second best $1 next to SoulKey. MVP is good for $1, and also he's Woongjin's only Terran, so they have to send him out a lot.
but why soulkey its named Zerg in the list of FPL?
There's two people named soulkey. Typing soulkey links to the Terran one =/ Be sure to get the Zerg one.
there`s no soulkey Terran yo
Oh, I guess he's not up for pick since he's retired
On April 07 2010 07:06 Chairman Ray wrote: Is it just me or is all in Woongjin Stars not such a bad idea?
Woongjin Stars is priced at 3, which is cheap considering that they came #3 in Winner's League
$7 - ZerO - Just as good as the other $7 players $5 - Kwanro - Uprising, might even make it to become Woongjin's second ACE player $5 - free - Doing well lately $3 - GuemChi - Exploded in Winner's league with a 13-5 record. Jesus. $1 - SoulKey - The most underpriced player. After dominating Dream League and all killing STX in the quarter finals, this guy has shown both consistency and potential. $1 - MVP - The second best $1 next to SoulKey. MVP is good for $1, and also he's Woongjin's only Terran, so they have to send him out a lot.
Stars strategy in their first 2 rounds was pretty much fully dependent on their big 3 so I don't think picking anyone else from their team is really worth it as they won't see as much time. Guemchi won't be fielded or do as well in this format.
On April 07 2010 07:06 Chairman Ray wrote: Is it just me or is all in Woongjin Stars not such a bad idea?
Woongjin Stars is priced at 3, which is cheap considering that they came #3 in Winner's League
$7 - ZerO - Just as good as the other $7 players $5 - Kwanro - Uprising, might even make it to become Woongjin's second ACE player $5 - free - Doing well lately $3 - GuemChi - Exploded in Winner's league with a 13-5 record. Jesus. $1 - SoulKey - The most underpriced player. After dominating Dream League and all killing STX in the quarter finals, this guy has shown both consistency and potential. $1 - MVP - The second best $1 next to SoulKey. MVP is good for $1, and also he's Woongjin's only Terran, so they have to send him out a lot.
but why soulkey its named Zerg in the list of FPL?
There's two people named soulkey. Typing soulkey links to the Terran one =/ Be sure to get the Zerg one.
there`s no soulkey Terran yo
Oh, I guess he's not up for pick since he's retired
On April 07 2010 07:06 Chairman Ray wrote: Is it just me or is all in Woongjin Stars not such a bad idea?
Woongjin Stars is priced at 3, which is cheap considering that they came #3 in Winner's League
$7 - ZerO - Just as good as the other $7 players $5 - Kwanro - Uprising, might even make it to become Woongjin's second ACE player $5 - free - Doing well lately $3 - GuemChi - Exploded in Winner's league with a 13-5 record. Jesus. $1 - SoulKey - The most underpriced player. After dominating Dream League and all killing STX in the quarter finals, this guy has shown both consistency and potential. $1 - MVP - The second best $1 next to SoulKey. MVP is good for $1, and also he's Woongjin's only Terran, so they have to send him out a lot.
but why soulkey its named Zerg in the list of FPL?
There's two people named soulkey. Typing soulkey links to the Terran one =/ Be sure to get the Zerg one.
there`s no soulkey Terran yo
Oh, I guess he's not up for pick since he's retired
On April 07 2010 07:06 Chairman Ray wrote: Is it just me or is all in Woongjin Stars not such a bad idea?
Woongjin Stars is priced at 3, which is cheap considering that they came #3 in Winner's League
$7 - ZerO - Just as good as the other $7 players $5 - Kwanro - Uprising, might even make it to become Woongjin's second ACE player $5 - free - Doing well lately $3 - GuemChi - Exploded in Winner's league with a 13-5 record. Jesus. $1 - SoulKey - The most underpriced player. After dominating Dream League and all killing STX in the quarter finals, this guy has shown both consistency and potential. $1 - MVP - The second best $1 next to SoulKey. MVP is good for $1, and also he's Woongjin's only Terran, so they have to send him out a lot.
but why soulkey its named Zerg in the list of FPL?
There's two people named soulkey. Typing soulkey links to the Terran one =/ Be sure to get the Zerg one.
there`s no soulkey Terran yo
Oh, I guess he's not up for pick since he's retired
Jaedong (Captain) - I don't think that there is a way that Jaedong won't be played at every possible opportunity. Hyuk - Hyuk's looking like a pretty good deal at 2 points. Liked his play in the Winners League but mostly picked him because he is so fun to watch play. Iris - I like Iris. His aggressive style makes Terran games a lot more fun to watch. Much - As an ACE fan I needed someone representing them on my team. Much looked like the best option. Sea - Sea is pretty reliable. If his team does win it will be one his back for sure. Firebathero - He was looking pretty hot in Winners Lea- who am I kidding, I just want to see him dance.
ANTI-PICKS HoGiL - Sorry Hogil but you're competing with Yellow and Type-B for the zerg slot on SPARKYZ. HyuN - Hyun just looked a bit overpriced to me. Hopefully he won't wreck me. Kal - Alright, maybe choosing Kal as an anti-pick was a mistake. Don't really like this guy, though.
Main Team 4 Baby 3 Best 3 ForGG 3 Hwasin 7 Stork oof, really stuck between stork and kal. i feel like stork will be played for more ace matches, though, so there we go 7 Zero (captain) i wanted to put fantasy here, but i couldnt find anywhere to squeeze out that extra point 3 Woongjin Stars
On April 07 2010 03:19 Crunchums wrote: I really hate the streak and streak break points. Why should the ordering of wins and losses affect scores? A lot of it just has to do with scheduling; if a player plays chump chump flash chump chump as opposed to chump x4 flash that's completely arbitrary.
If you choose Flash and 5 chumps for your team, you have nothing to worry about
I'm serious though; streak points are dumb and should be removed.
Read the OP about posting teams, and am adding an analysis for mine.
RideOnTheMagicSchoolBus!
Main Team 3 Action - For only 3 points I think Action is a massive bargain. If he plays anywhere near as good as he did last round then this should be well worth it.
4 Baby - Baby has some promising results in the current OSL and MSL, and looks to only improve, especially since he is so damn young. I think he should be at 5 points personally.
3 ForGG - ForGG wasn't exactly KTs new best Terran, but he played well and won a number of games. The majority of the games he lost were against other teams ACE players, so I still believe ForGG is worth at least 3 points.
7 Kal (captain) - Although 7 points, Kal is pretty much STX's backbone(IMO), nonetheless their best Protoss player. He is solid in all 3 matchups, and will no doubt score a fair number of points because of it. He might not be one of the top 10 players or what have you in the end, but unless he comes along a slump I still see him as a viable pick.
6 Sea - Sea & Light are MBC's powerhouses. With my other current picks I didn't have enough points to pick Light over Sea, but that's okay because I don't see Light doing significantly better than Sea.
4 Violet - Violet was my last choice for a player(worth around 3-5 points anyhow), and IMO he was the best choice out of the players I had left to choose. I don't see him racking up all of KT's points, but I was content with picking him alongside my other choices.
3 Woongjin Stars - Besides Woongjin Stars being one of my favourite teams, they have some strong players and if they play their cards right they have a great chance against their opponents no matter what team they are. I'm trusting the Stars coaches with this choice.
Anti Team 4 Hoejja - Hoejja only seems to be able to play ZvP. Hopefully if Flash continues to dominate Hoejja won't get many chances to play and it will be free anti-team points to spend.
4 Killer - I'm a little iffy about this choice, but I didn't see anyone better to pick for their value with what I had left. Killer will likely get some points, but nothing major, as Jaedong is still Oz's best Zerg by far.
5 Roro - To be honest I see Killer doing better than Roro this round, and since he is worth 1 point more I see no reason to not choose him. Roro does alright sometimes, like Killer, but I don't see him bringing down my whole team.
Main Team 3 Action good marco zerg 4 Baby baby destroys jaedong ez so i get him 2 Hyuk zvz sniper HYUK 4 Movie strong toss 4 Violet stronger toss 7 Zero (captain) woojins ace zerg 6 KT Rolster cause they got flash
Anti Team 4 Hoejja ok zerg but he never wins 3 Much sry much 6 Really um needed 6 points and he dont play much i think;x
Oh man, I got so excited and mad while I was scrolling down the list looking for Bisu. A part of me was screaming, yes omfg, Bisu is going to be so cheap if I haven't found him at the top, then a part of me raged thinking they had the nerve to put him for cheap.
Then I read the post below it and I chilled.
Anyways, I do not see how you can put the 3rd place winner's league, Stars, below the other teams who are doing worse in terms of WL standings and sometimes overall standings. I'm not complaining as it was an easy choice for me, but just curious.
Main Team: Hydra has been showing some potential lately. Mind, well, I'm just hoping, but I have no expectations really. Movie, Sea, and Stork seem to be good, solid candidates. And Turn because of the recent surge in Terrans and he has, in the past, been good. Think he might leech some starts from FBH. KT Rolster because...they're KT Rolster.
Anti Team: Effort is in a massive slump and with T>Z trending, Z's seem to be going to suffer. Great and Yarnc because both are Zerg and they both aren't really amazing.
My standard style, Flash+Jaedong+Other good player+ Ace guys and Airforce Ace. I did pretty well. If I picked Light last season, I would've done so well.
Anti team, Stork+Firebathero. I would've added Jangbi too but meh.
Every season gets harder to pick an antiteam. I always seem to end up picking Mind and Roro though lol. Onto the serious questions: Stork or Zero? (both ace players but I'm leaning towards Zero). Action or Great? (I'm leaning towards Great).
On April 07 2010 04:50 Chairman Ray wrote: Now that Hoejja is KTR's main Zerg, I don't think the Luxury chaos theory is gonna hold. We'll see though.
After hoejja's performance in wl finals i dont think he's going to be played any time soon What do people think about MVP, he's been playing decently recently and is one point
On April 07 2010 12:10 ThunderGod wrote: Every season gets harder to pick an antiteam. I always seem to end up picking Mind and Roro though lol. Onto the serious questions: Stork or Zero? (both ace players but I'm leaning towards Zero). Action or Great? (I'm leaning towards Great).
Stork > Zero because Stork will be playing every single Ace match while WJN sometimes sends Free or Kwanro as their ace.
Great seems to be doing better at the very moment, but Action seems to be improving pretty fast. If you want to risk it, go Action.
On April 07 2010 04:50 Chairman Ray wrote: Now that Hoejja is KTR's main Zerg, I don't think the Luxury chaos theory is gonna hold. We'll see though.
After hoejja's performance in wl finals i dont think he's going to be played any time soon What do people think about MVP, he's been playing decently recently and is one point
In Proleague, I think they need to send out one person of each race. For the past 2 rounds, Hoejja has been getting more lineup appearances and doing significantly better than Luxury.
MVP is definitely a good choice for $1 since WJN will be sending him out more.
On April 07 2010 12:10 ThunderGod wrote: Every season gets harder to pick an antiteam. I always seem to end up picking Mind and Roro though lol. Onto the serious questions: Stork or Zero? (both ace players but I'm leaning towards Zero). Action or Great? (I'm leaning towards Great).
LOL, this is the 3rd time in a row that I got Roro on anti.
Stork because he's more likely to get Ace slots. Great because while Action has to compete with Hyvaa with the Zerg spot, Great is by far Khan's best Zerg.
Based off of recent showings, i hope that Baby will continue showing his stronger play Flying I think is decent for 2 points since hes probably the go to protoss on Estro right now, (haven't seen SangHo for a while now) Free will always get alot of starts i suspect since hes slightly more consistent than Guemchi Hwasin is the go to terran for STX..i suspect that his WL showings will put him above Frozen Sea- Always solid IMO, probably will get a share of the ace matches if not most of them Zero- I think hes a very dependable player, also one of the woonjin aces.
Anti: Hoeeja and Hogil, i never see them perform very welll, honestly i think type-b is better than hogil, but idk...Hoejja's appearences will be spotty i suspect, what with KTflash obviously destroying, probably making way for some more interesting lineups..i hope Im taking a gamble on Jangbi, hoping he does bad for intuitions sake.
In a nutshell, I tried to pick players that are pretty much guaranteed to be played
Stars: For being one of the top teams, 3 points is a STEAL Stork(captain): Not expecting to slump; Khan's Ace player Best: Really a filler, but he seemed to be the best 3 pointer that will get playtime Great: Khan's best Zerg. Hiya: Guaranteed 100% to be sent out. IIRC, he played all of Oz's 11 games round 2 Hwasin: Both STX's best Terran AND he was dirt cheap Skyhigh: Also expecting him to get sent out for all 11 games. Iris ain't gonna take his spot anytime soon.
Anti was really a mess.I went for Hoejja/Roro/Killer, but IMO, there's no perfect anti-team this season.
I tried to avoid picking ANYONE from KT on my main team. Flash was way too expensive and everyone else, it's essentially a crapshoot on who's gonna get a lineup spot.
This is my 3rd time with Roro on anti. He was actually good at sucking for a while during WL and then his small wins started adding up. Damn streak breaks
Of course, the schedule and Bisu's price may change a few things
My standard style, Flash+Jaedong+Other good player+ Ace guys and Airforce Ace. I did pretty well. If I picked Light last season, I would've done so well.
Anti team, Stork+Firebathero. I would've added Jangbi too but meh.
Suggestions?
What is your team name supposed to be?
"Something Gate Devil Bash?"
Also your method never works... Lets say you get the most optimal results from your top players, we'll say 50 points each, this only gives 150 points. Your filler players are probably gonna give you 10 points at most (being very generous here) and lets just assume ACE breaks even and gives you 0 points. So in total you get 160 points.
This is before we even factor in your antiteam. Your total without the antiteam is already lower than what people have gotten in the past fantasy proleagues.
On April 07 2010 09:39 plan3t wrote: Jaedong (Captain) - I don't think that there is a way that Jaedong won't be played at every possible opportunity.
They've played Killer a lot in lieu of Jaedong, actually. There were a number of series last PL where JD never played because Oz lost before the ace or before game 4 (assuming JD was in that 4th spot).
If this is true, I think the requirement to have one of every race should be omitted. Why should we be required to play one of every race if the teams don't have to :S
On April 07 2010 15:25 Hot_Bid wrote: lineups sent out live? wtf does that mean?
It probably means that there won't be anymore lineups posted so people can't spend all week practicing for x match as they don't know who they are playing until the match actually begins.
On April 07 2010 15:25 Hot_Bid wrote: lineups sent out live? wtf does that mean?
It probably means that there won't be anymore lineups posted so people can't spend all week practicing for x match as they don't know who they are playing until the match actually begins.
So basically this round's FPL is another guessing game.
Sorry I wish I can do full translation but don't have the time right now...
Hot_Bid, Entries will be revealed live. Teams no longer have to submit entries prior. It'll be kind of like Winner's League but for every set. A player can only be sent out again during ACE match.
For example: Samsung vs KT *Match starts
1 set: Samsung sends out jangbi and kt sends out stats. jangbi > stats. 1-0
*For second set, samsung decides to send out odin and kt flash... and so on...
As much as it hurts me to Put JD on my anti team I feel like he wont be getting too much game time with his injury, and then some random scrubs that will never play. MBC is rocking it lately and I think this will continue and they will become a two man power house Sea/Light... ForGG seems to be making a comeback and helping KT win games, Baby beating JD and other great players lately seems underpriced, Anytime is the ace for ACE, and Huyk well...
Tsk tsk, Oh golly, I figured TL wanted me to post my FPL team by having a forum copy/paste. hmm, okay I'm really sorry for not analyzing my team, terrific posters of Teamliquid. I know that it would have contributed greatly to the community had I wrote that my initial strategy in going into Round 4 of FPL is to take advantage of the Terran domination. Jaedong, for one, has much promise in this season of Proleague because the state of Hwaseung Oz is one of desperation, Coach Cho is definitely going to play Jaedong whenever possible! I do really believe in Flash because he is doing rather marvelously lately and his dedication is unbelievable.. which is very evident each time he plays - particularly his Terran versus Zerg. Munching on those crispy little zerglings seems like Flash's favourite thing to do. His tvt is unstoppable too, I predict a lot of wins this round with Flash. I chose Backho cuz I was stupid, what a mistake! Haha, just kidding Backho can win if he is ever played. And I was left with no choice - I had to pick a protoss and maybe, Backho has a slight chance of getting in some play and perhaps he could win a few games! I then chose MVP, getting MVP is quite killer for the level of skill and the low cost he has been playing recently. Last but not least, 'twas everyone's favourite person to hate - Canata - who is on my team. If the stars align, Bowlcut can play decently. I think that he can win some games and that he will be extremely handy in helping me win some points this season. So yeah, I have a lot of Terrans on my super insanely awesome team because I think they're doing stellar recently. This is going to be my number 1 year! I hope you all learned a valuable lesson from my post and I hope that I managed to assist you in learning something about how to place in the 800-1300's this season.
That was the same page mentioned in the maps thread where they introduce the 2 new maps. According to google translate this is what the relevant paragraph says. Dunno if it's close but it gives a general idea.
In the meantime, public way entry in the field 48 hours prior to public disclosure will be changed. The scene that played a public way without having to release players at once, each set of entries for each set of exchanges that are conducted in a manner that will be announced. 5 sets one playoff round, the same way the existing 1,2 1-4 sets of players played in the exhibition can be duplicated. In addition, the four round star player from each race entry should be included in a must-ins 'races Stars obligations Department premises' will be abolished.
By the way, what's the reason for going back to the old scoring system? I thoroughly enjoyed the format of last proleague season, where losing would actually score negative points. For reference, here's what I'm talking about:
Player Scoring: Regular Game Win: 4 Points Regular Game Loss: -2 Points Ace Match Appearance: 2 Points Ace Match Win: 4 Points Ace Match Loss: 0 Points 3-Game Win Streak: 2 Points 6-Game Win Streak: 3 Points 9-Game Win Streak: 4 Points Your Player's Team Wins: 1 Point Your Player Doesn't Play: 1 Point (for 3-0 or 0-3 score)
This format made it important to not select players who get sent out a lot and may score a fluke win here and there, but who actually win a good portion of their games. It also made anti-teams much more interesting because you could gamble and choose players who play and lose to get additional points, instead of just praying they don't get to play.
Posted this in the other thread but it seems to have been lost in the insanity:
Hey, would it be possible in the future to implement trading so that it can be done in batches, rather than one by one?
For example, say I have two players each worth 5 points. I'd like to trade them for a player worth 9 points and a player worth 0 points. Supposedly I should be able to do this since 5 + 5 > 9 + 0, but the way the system is, it isn't possible.
On April 07 2010 16:46 Scorch wrote: By the way, what's the reason for going back to the old scoring system? I thoroughly enjoyed the format of last proleague season, where losing would actually score negative points... This format made it important to not select players who get sent out a lot and may score a fluke win here and there, but who actually win a good portion of their games. It also made anti-teams much more interesting because you could gamble and choose players who play and lose to get additional points, instead of just praying they don't get to play.
I didn't follow the entire discussion, but it came down to a couple things:
-> A majority of people polled liked the old system better (me included). -> The new system rewarded "bad" players who serve as snipers and thus get winning records over "good" players who have a bad round (Modesty going 3-1 would score better than Kwanro going 4-6, for example, 10 points to 4). -> The "new" system gives ace players a much much higher value and makes other strategies essentially non-viable.
Of course the old one has its problems too but they seem to be relatively smaller and the glaring flaw (ace loss mattering less than a normal loss) has been fixed by adding the -1 penalty for the ace loss.
That's my point of view, at least.
I'm really going to have to look hard at this new PL system. The ace players will keep doing well, but I'm not sure where the balance will shift to. I think this will really demonstrate who the more "solid" players are, but with map balance being so key to PL over the last few years this may actually produce *more* snipers, which would be good.
On April 07 2010 15:36 hipaul wrote: Sorry I wish I can do full translation but don't have the time right now...
Hot_Bid, Entries will be revealed live. Teams no longer have to submit entries prior. It'll be kind of like Winner's League but for every set. A player can only be sent out again during ACE match.
For example: Samsung vs KT *Match starts
1 set: Samsung sends out jangbi and kt sends out stats. jangbi > stats. 1-0
*For second set, samsung decides to send out odin and kt flash... and so on...
that's awesome, i'm actually really glad they're doing this
Wow. If teams are no longer required to send out 1 of each race, I have to completely rethink my team... I was proud of my selections, too. Guess I can replace my Hiya with Sea, since they're the same price, Sea's better and now I don't have to worry about Light taking the lineup appearance away from Sea; they'll always both be sent.
I found this round a little tricky to think about, mostly because of the "intangibles". For instance: which record really bears more weight: WL or regular PL? Normally I'd say regular PL (although WL last year slumped KHAN for the rest of the season), but with PL going back to at-the-time player choice, isn't that a more WL feel? So I thought maybe what I should really look for is the solid players. You know, Flash but actually affordable. By "affordable", what I was thinking was if I can get enough good-not-great players, it will balance out ahead of the great-player-and-scrubs teams, even if I don't catch the great-players-and-lucky-scrub-choice teams.
Gratuitous Justice
Main Team 1 DarkElf - I did a little analysis: DarkElf, for his current cost, is actually the most productive player in FPL! - of course he's priced at 1 point, so that's not saying much, but I needed a one-pointer and this seemed like an omen of good luck
3 Firebathero - Despite my wanting solid players, I'm playing a hunch on this one. FBH has been slowly improving over the year, went 9-8 in Winners League, and let's face it, I'm a KHAN slappy.
5 Free - I think Kal is really the most solid of the dragons, but he's currently too expensive for my taste, and free is, imo, in the next-best form of any Protoss at the moment. His 6-6 WL record isn't great, but when playing one game at a time he's nice and solid. He also doesn't do gimmicky stuff: you know what you're getting from him. So I needed a Protoss, and free fit the bill.
6 Really (captain) - Really is probably the most solid macro Terran out there right now apart from Flash, even if he does fall apart occasionally (hi Daezang). Light played very well in WL of course, but is also now 8 points(!) which was out of my range - and he's streaky. His regular PL round scores were around 0.500, I don't want that. Sea is another option, but I don't know how reliable he is overall. Also Really's back below on his career record, so he's due to start winning. It's like Luxury chaos theory but more predictable.
5 Roro - RorO's not a good player, but he consistently puts up a certain number of wins, and his ZvT when it's on is absolutely devastating. With Terran rounding back to the fore, I anticipate an excellent round for RorO - and if not, he'll still get 5 or 6 wins and that's worth it. With RorO, BaBy, Mind backed by Pure, Shine, and whoever else WeMade has, I think they'll do well overall, so I'm also anticipating some team win points here.
7 Zero - ZerO is sort of the exception to my solid player rule. His style sometimes looks really seat-of-the-pants, but he does consistently produce and, although he's splitting ace time with free, he's the younger player and at this point probably the better one.
3 Woongjin Stars - I don't know. I didn't put much thought into this one, but if I've already jumped for free and Zero, why not the team as well?
Anti Team
I really didn't like picking an anti-team this time around. I'm still reconsidering some of these, but here's what I have currently:
3 Jaehoon - Jaehoon sucks. End of story. I'm lucky he picked up a few wins in WL so he's now overpriced. My only worry is if MBC keeps owning people I'm going to end up with like 10 team points counting against me. 2 Juni - Juni sucks. Even if he all-killed ACE. That was seriously the most flukey thing that's ever happened in pro BW, up to and including idra's CC. 8 Light - This one's a little bit out there, I admit. It's not like Light is suddenly going to start playing terribly. On the other hand, he takes up a chunk of my AT cost and can't possibly get 27 wins again; I think I'm willing to eat the 6 or 7 I'm predicting for him. I really would like to figure out a better way to do this though.
On April 07 2010 18:36 prototype. wrote: The new rules for R4 ruined FPL. Playing FPL no longer requires strategic planning since you're barely given any material to work with.
New strategy: hope to god the team plays your selection of players that are worth less than 5 points
The thrill of FPL lies in uncertainty. If every single lineup was determined at the very beginning, one could easily calculate who will have the most wins, and the best time to trade each player. Although that takes more preparation, it takes all the fun out of FPL. When all we can do is hope, we have a lot more fun.
how are the adjusted costs going to work now that you don't know lineups beforehand? before the number of games they had remaining counted towards their cost iirc
On April 08 2010 05:52 onewingedmoogle wrote: how are the adjusted costs going to work now that you don't know lineups beforehand? before the number of games they had remaining counted towards their cost iirc
You don't need to know the lineups because you know exactly how many games they have remaining. Every team plays 11 games total. A player's cost does not factor in whether he is in the game or not.
Airforce ACE As usual, ACE is a crapshoot: probably won't do very well, but will have a couple decent performers: Ruby and Much hold the fort currently; everyone else is completely unpredictable. Probably not many players worth picking up here: Ruby and Much are both 3-pointers. DarkElf is a 1-point possibility, though Anytime may be overpriced at 2.
CJ Entus Hard to predict anything solid here beyond: EffOrt is easily the best player on CJ and gets almost all the ace match work. He had a losing record in WL though, so I'm a touch nervous, but he's never had a really long slump, should be fine. sKyHigh and Movie are both decent mid-range players, and sKyHigh especially has a very high ceiling on his potential (which he has, however, never really hit in PL). Snow at 2 points may be worth a look. Iris at 2 points is probably overvalued.
eSTRO Really is solid; Action is good; UpMagic is okay. hyvaa, being a mediocre Zerg, is about due for a winning streak; Flying and Classic have both showed lots of potential. I can't really recommend any of these players, but I wouldn't go putting them on your anti-team, either. SangHo at 2 could be a nice pickup, but he's been playing bad most of the season and I don't know why that would stop now.
hite Sparkyz Leta has as many wins as the next four players on hite combined. Full Stop. That's it. That's the only good player on hite. (Averaging 10 wins a round is nothing to sneeze at though, might even be worth the 9 point price.)
If, however, you need role-players, HoGiL at 3 points could - if he plays well and gets lots of ZvP - be a steal. Justin has barely played but looked good when he did. type-b is a sleeper: like every other hite Zerg he mostly sucks but breaks out occasionally.
Hwaseung OZ
Jaedong. Also HiyA. Possibly Killer, and if you're desperate Lomo. But remember: only 6 OZ players have won a game all year, and of those six only 2 - Jaedong and HiyA - have winning records. HiyA at 6 is a much better value than Jaedong at 10 but of course you can't go wrong with Jaedong. Otherwise Killer (4) has been steadily improving but still isn't actually a good player - he's about at Movie's level imo. Lomo is probably overpriced at 2 but if OZ can make sure he only plays players he ought to lose to he should get a lot of wins. (This is the Lomo Paradox, far less thoroughly researched than Luxury Chaos Theory.)
KT Rolster KT Rolster is what hite wants to be. Flash has as many wins as the next four players on KT, just like Leta - but this is because Flash is insane and has 41 wins. 12 points is overpriced, but at least you know what you're getting.
Apart from that, either Violet or Stats will play well but probably not both: Stats, despite a much better WL, is still cheaper. fOrGG may be worth a look at 3 if he keeps up his WL form. Other than Luxury - due to Chaos Theory - no KT Zerg is even good. Tempest has played two games in all of PL, but is undefeated.
MBCGame Hero Sea carried MBC through the first two rounds while Light was mediocre; for WL they reversed roles. Round 4 could be great for both, bad for both, or somewhere in between. At any rate Light at 8 is probably overpriced, while Sea at 6 could be a good pickup. Hyun for 3 is probably a steal; han at 2 is a better player than Jaehoon at 3.
Samsung KHAN Stork is worth consideration as always, but he hasn't been even as good as his 7 point cost. Jangbi at 6 is probably overpriced. firebathero showed good form in the WL and at 3 points could be an amazing sleeper. If M18M gets more play-time, he may start actually showing results but at 2 point cost I wouldn't be inclined to risk it.
Juni is a fantastic AT pick: his ACE all-kill boosted his value to 2 points for this round, but I see no evidence that he's actually learned to play Starcraft.
SK Telecom T1 Bisu is currently an unknown. He should show decent form whenever he gets back but of course you can't draft him now, sorry.
Other than that, fantasy is a solid pick although he's no value at 8. He's the only player on SKT right now with a winning record. BeSt and Hyuk are the only other players worth consideration, at 3 and 2 points respectively.
STX SouL Kal and Calm are both likely worth every bit of their 7 point price; Kal tends to do slightly worse overall but better in ace matches - but Calm plays more aces. Shuttle (or YoonJoong), Hwasin, by.hero, and Modesty all have winning records and are priced about right. This is like the actually good version of WeMade Fox (or maybe it's the other way around.)
WeMade Fox RorO, Mind, Shine, and BaBy are all solid mid-range players who you might want on your team but do NOT want on your anti. BaBy especially has been showing mad potential and looks really nice for 4 points right now. Midas and Pure at 2 each are also worth considering, Midas more so. They don't have an ace but really are a fairly deep team.
Woongjin Stars ZerO has a lot of wins, and because the Stars aren't actually all that good, plays a lot of ace games to get those wins. free and Kwanro are both good players; the rest of the team sucks, even, now that WL is over, GuemChi. GuemChi could make a nice AT pick, but I don't trust this one - see Luxury.
Main Team 12 Flash (captain) is Flash 3 ForGG doesn't suck that much anymore! 1 Just is apparently from KT. I wanted to get 815 but i just didn't have enough points . MVP is surely a better 1-pointer but now im gonna have an all-kt team ~ 3 Stats got a win-streak of 7 in the WL 1 Tempest 's only games during this season have been 2 wins, vs Leta and vs go.go . 4 Violet is kind of a risk, i still do think he has huge potential tho. 6 KT Rolster is currently 27-6 (+40) and already won WL.
Booo.....new format made Hwasin a lot less attractive of a choice....without the race rule, STX's deep lineup means he'll be played less. Any other suggestions for a good 3 pointer?
On April 08 2010 07:57 ndralcasid wrote: Booo.....new format made Hwasin a lot less attractive of a choice....without the race rule, STX's deep lineup means he'll be played less. Any other suggestions for a good 3 pointer?
On April 08 2010 09:42 Yamoth wrote: Can we get Bisu in there pretty please? I don't even care if he is more expensive than he is worth.
Unfortunately theres more to consider than simply overpricing him, if we have his price too high, its easy to just pick him for your antiteam.
He'll be added after week 1 and then everyone can trade for him if necessary.
bisu is garnering a lot of attention. Do you have a best case/worse case senario for him, e.g. "if SKT 1 says Bisu is playing well and is ready to go, and Bisu says hes playing well and is ready to go, Bisu will be set at ___"?
What you can try is to see Bisu's overall worth over the past three rounds, average them. Then using that you can create a 95% confidence interval to see how much he is worth
lets say his average is 6 overall or w/e and lets say randomly you wanted him to be 7
calculate the standard deviation and see what points would be relatively fair at that confidence level where = average +/- z-score(st.dev)
Before: oz 3 - skt 0 forgg > boxer jaedong > bisu hiya > fantasy perfectman - soo
This way perfectman and soo get +1 for appearance, plus you were 100% sure that oz was going to line up a toss and skt a zerg. But now things could be like:
forgg > boxer jaedong > bisu hiya > fantasy we don't need fourth match, bye. Only 6 guys with +1 for appearance, compared to the regular 8. (actually this would hurt no matter what race rule they use)
or
forgg > boxer jaedong > bisu hiya < fantasy killer < best jaedong < bisu
One could say that you can't exactly predict which players they will field if the rule was still there (probably spear/pm & soo/hyuk) but at least some people would put them in their teams. Now, if you take wl as a premise, it's pretty obvious things like ace w/o zergs, estro w/o toss, hite w/o toss, oz w/o toss, etc will happen often. IMO this hurts the cheaper players more than it boost the "solid" players (since they are usually less and more expensive) and it will lead people to have more similar fpl lineups. I'm talking about guys like flying, horang2, perfectman, mvp just to name a few. It would be cool if non-played races from each team get some love if things goes like in the example. Something like +1 to all oz protoss and skt zergs since their coach is a bitch. (Or maybe only if their team doesn't win). Maybe this would encourage people to just not put some 1$ player because of the team win.
p.s. I know that in wl things can go like: 4-0, only 5 different players see action and all of them can play the same race, but since this is not wl i'm just giving my opinion. :p
so do players only get lineup points if they actually play? ie if SKT gets 3-0'd with Bisu, Best, and Hyuk losing, will Fantasy get 0 or 1 point? cause now we dont really have the situation where a team gets 3-0'd and the 4th scheduled player doesnt play right?
On April 08 2010 14:35 Chen wrote: so do players only get lineup points if they actually play? ie if SKT gets 3-0'd with Bisu, Best, and Hyuk losing, will Fantasy get 0 or 1 point?
Read the scoring example.
edit: Ohhh sorry, you mean the lineup point. Since we don't know who they would have sent, we can't assign a lineup point for a possible 4th player in 3-0 / 0-3 series.
On April 07 2010 18:11 H wrote: PL no longer has a race restriction.
Wow... just wow.
What's so wow about this? I mean its different, but its not super shocking or earth shattering at all.
Teams can start specialising in only one race, eventually fielding 4 of just one race. Eventually all teams will field 4 people of the same race, say Zerg.
On April 07 2010 18:11 H wrote: PL no longer has a race restriction.
Wow... just wow.
What's so wow about this? I mean its different, but its not super shocking or earth shattering at all.
Teams can start specialising in only one race, eventually fielding 4 of just one race. Eventually all teams will field 4 people of the same race, say Zerg. Imbalanced maps could, of course, prevent this.
A few years ago the format was hidden lineups for a long time before the current version of proleague and everything was fine. Teams didn't specialize in one race then, they didn't specialize in one race during WL, and they probably won't specialize in one race just because of this rule change. The world didn't collapse back then, it won't now.
Even if we ignore the historical evidence (which by itself is probably enough to show that there won't be some radical change like 4 zvzs constantly), here are several additional reasons:
- It takes years to learn and be comfortable with a race at the highest levels of SC, progamers aren't just going to switch.
- Teams don't necessarily have enough good players of one race. Many teams barely have 2 or 3 top level guys in each race. Where are they going to find others? Its not like Fantasy is going to switch to Protoss so SKT has a full P line.
- Teams need players of every race because they practice with teammates. If a team has all one race its more incentive for other teams to have a diversified team.
- Lastly, and probably most importantly, why would a team want to just specialize in one race and field 4 of one race anyway? What advantage does this bring?
I think alot depends on tonight lol. If Bisu goes 0-2, everyone is sticking him on their anti. if he goes 2-0, he looks much more attractive at 7 points
On April 08 2010 20:19 flamewheel91 wrote: Bisu for 7 points is... Eh, I agree with Chen. Will wait till after this. But 7 points is still expensive T_T
effort is 7 points, also unusually expensive (he's slumping hard)
What's going to happen to the players who got cut from their team's roster? Now that we know rosters and stuff... I don't remember how often rosters are changed.
On April 08 2010 23:35 Musoeun wrote: What's going to happen to the players who got cut from their team's roster? Now that we know rosters and stuff... I don't remember how often rosters are changed.
It was changed already. UpMagic, Luxury etc. now all cost 1 point.
awww i wish bisu was higher cos i gonna make him anti,anyway i suck at FPL and always get 1500th rank lol.I gonna try something new this new making my team "imba"
killer is the only 4 pt imo worth to be chosen,theres also Mind/Baby to fit in but Killer definitely appear in Oz's matches and hes pretty decent player whereas Mind and Baby [or wemade] will collide with each other's line up.As for others its all MBC players,Flash is just too expensive.
On April 09 2010 00:36 justiceknight wrote: awww i wish bisu was higher cos i gonna make him anti,anyway i suck at FPL and always get 1500th rank lol.I gonna try something new this new making my team "imba"
killer is the only 4 pt imo worth to be chosen,theres also Mind/Baby to fit in but Killer definitely appear in Oz's matches and hes pretty decent player whereas Mind and Baby [or wemade] will collide with each other's line up.As for others its all MBC players,Flash is just too expensive.
Oh man, I cannot decide whether I should get Best or Firebathero. Both guys will definetly get played a lot, FBH is doing better in WL but he is losing his grip on vs. T as he said and there will be a lot of terrans this round. While Best blew WL but his macro should get him through vs. T. Altough I think of Best being mechanically better, I think FBH of as being more adaptable (more important in R4) and well-rounded(getting there vs.P).
On April 09 2010 05:00 lone_hydra wrote: Oh man, I cannot decide whether I should get Best or Firebathero. Both guys will definetly get played a lot, FBH is doing better in WL but he is losing his grip on vs. T as he said and there will be a lot of terrans this round. While Best blew WL but his macro should get him through vs. T. Altough I think of Best being mechanically better, I think FBH of as being more adaptable (more important in R4) and well-rounded(getting there vs.P).
Go with your sig, man, your sig. Also FBH gives much better ceremonies.
After scoring a respectable 21 points in R2, WL anti-team favorite Han lost his only 3 WL games but still managed to pick up 8 points for being on MBC. For his cheap price, he may be good filler, or he may not win a single game again.
With 17 points in R2 and 25 points in WL, Shuttle has proven himself a reliable player. Despite playing second fiddle to Kal, Shuttle has the second highest ELO on STX after Calm. For $3, he should be a great bargain.
By virtue of the 50 points he scored in R2, Really was the best looking value player coming into WL. With a disappointing 9-8 performance and 26 points scored, he's dropped a point in value this round. He crashed and burned out of the starleagues to mediocre competition already, but will certainly see a lot of PL action given eStro's April roster cuts.
Like his teammate Really, Action should benefit from roster cuts. With 16 and 22 points scored in the last two rounds, Action has been a constant player with an average win rate. He'll play as much as Really and will likely win just as many games for half the price. eStro simply has no one else to play.
Like Really, Kwanro had an excellent R2 and a break even WL. His price hasn't dropped any, but he's still a solid player who's unlikely to under perform his price tag.
1 pointer honorable mentions
Tempest and Barracks are both $1 KT players who may see a lineup appearance or two. If KT continues their PL domination, they'll pay for themselves on the bench anyway. SoulKey is worth a look as well. His playoff all-kill didn't count towards his point total so he's still a $1 player with a lot of upside. Bogus is $1, and STX's wins may pay for that even if he doesn't get any play time.
what do you guys think about Violet? I'm trying to decide on my anti team. I know I'm putting Bisu for sure. I need 2 people amounting up to $6 who suck.
On April 09 2010 14:21 Chairman Ray wrote: what do you guys think about Violet? I'm trying to decide on my anti team. I know I'm putting Bisu for sure. I need 2 people amounting up to $6 who suck.
Violet probably won't see much play time with Stats there, at best he'll be sharing. Either way, I don't think Violet should cost too many points... except for team points. If you're willing to eat those (since KT will probably win a good majority of matches) get Violet.
I personally have him, Bisu, and Perfectman for an anti, which I feel is pretty safe.
I'm still hesitant on putting ANYONE from STX in the main, even moreso with the new format. STX has such a deep roster that they can literally put any combination of people, but that means each individual player has a lower chance of actually playing.
I think Bisu should be a good AT pick. He'll probably win a few, but probably not enough to compensate for his cost. And it allows me to put both Modesty and Jaehoon
I think the key to this round is going to be trying to maximize playing time. Without line-ups in advance, all you can do is play the odds and hope that as many of your players play as possible. There is no downside this round to playing and losing. Also, I think it's going to be even more important to pick players who have a good chance of showing up in the ACE match. This round is going to be all about maximizing Games Played I think.
Calm and Stork are solid locks for playing the ace match Baby and Action both have a good shot at splitting Ace-match time for cheap. Free might possibly sneak in a few Ace-match games by virtue of being the only good non-zerg on the team. All 5 should play each week. With Woongjin no longer forced to play a terran, I think this means we'll see Soulkey a lot more, at least I hope so... Either way, I expect Woongjin to rack up so wins this round which means Soulkey should at least pay for himself at 1 point.
On April 10 2010 01:00 Radfield wrote: I think the key to this round is going to be trying to maximize playing time. Without line-ups in advance, all you can do is play the odds and hope that as many of your players play as possible. There is no downside this round to playing and losing. Also, I think it's going to be even more important to pick players who have a good chance of showing up in the ACE match. This round is going to be all about maximizing Games Played I think.
Calm and Stork are solid locks for playing the ace match Baby and Action both have a good shot at splitting Ace-match time for cheap. Free might possibly sneak in a few Ace-match games by virtue of being the only good non-zerg on the team. All 5 should play each week. With Woongjin no longer forced to play a terran, I think this means we'll see Soulkey a lot more, at least I hope so... Either way, I expect Woongjin to rack up so wins this round which means Soulkey should at least pay for himself at 1 point.
I like your team. I agree with you on Action and Baby (on my team) and I have Sea for MBC's Ace match. For my other two players, Kwanro will see a lot of play time for Stars and, like free, could potentially get a few Ace matches in, and Stats and Shuttle should get enough playing time to cover for their three points. And of course, KT wins points yes?
I curse everyone with Bisu on anti! Grrr! I hope you pay the ultimate price for it with your FPL! Because if you don't, that means I will with him as my captain.
7 Bisu (captain) He has absolutely no leagues to practice for, no more name he needs to protect, a Bisu with nothing to lose will be unstoppable, in my dreams at least.
3 Firebathero There is no way I will ever go into an FPL without this guy. Hoping he can bring out his monster TvT again. I had to choose between him or Best, it was a toss up till I saw my sig.
6 Jangbi I needed a Khan toss or I will shame my Khan fan dignity. I watched Stork and jangbi's games, and quite frankly, jangbi is just playing better starcraft at the moment.
1 MVP For 1 point, and considering how damn well he is doing and playing in his games, he is a bargain.
3 YoonJoong Dude has been pimping noobs and Bisu. For 3 points and no race restrictions, bargain.
7 Zero Only zerg who is solid in all 3 match ups at the moment. When he goes up against scrubs(especially terran) I never worry about a loss unlike the other top zergs.
3 Woongjin Stars 3rd place WL winners for 3 points? Need I say more?
On April 10 2010 15:53 Noxide wrote: 1150 people picked Baby holy shit lol.
he was a bargain at 4 points. its bisu at 7 (on par with stork and kal) and dong at 10 that didn't make much sense.
I know, just surprised at how many people picked him, usually top players are highest and even then they rarely go above 1k. Plus I picked him myself hehe.
lol, only 5 points so far, but I didn't have too many players in the first 2 matches (and poor Shuttle was forced to bench-sit again) =[
But about this trading business...it says 'Every player has a trade value, and you can only trade for players of lower value'. So how is this 'trade value' determined? Is it based on performances in the league so far?
On April 10 2010 17:16 Grobyc wrote: Why have I gotten -1 point from RorO being on my anti-team when he hasn't played in this proleague or even been chosen in the lineup?RorO
On April 10 2010 17:16 Grobyc wrote: Why have I gotten -1 point from RorO being on my anti-team when he hasn't played in this proleague or even been chosen in the lineup?RorO
His team won. Yea, I know it's difficult for the information to sink in, I mean KT Rolster losing? How is that even possible?
On April 10 2010 17:16 Grobyc wrote: Why have I gotten -1 point from RorO being on my anti-team when he hasn't played in this proleague or even been chosen in the lineup?RorO
On April 10 2010 21:46 Glowingammo wrote: How many games are going to be played by each team in Round 4? Sorry if theres an obvious answer somewhere that I've missed..
Each team plays every other team once, so 11 games per round.
Felt like writing a small FPL article, just going to plop it here.
I really love this time of FPL because it's a lot like when a new expansion of Magic the Gathering gets released. You get to see what new builds are out and what neat tech choices people are making. Each season of FPL, I automatically start hitting the charts to see what some of the more popular players came up with build-wise. In this short article, I picked out a few that I believe could become heavy contenders this season, and discuss some tech choices that players have made for the new round of FPL.
Main Team: Baby, Calm, Action, Free, Neo.G_Soulkey (Captain), Stork, and Woongjin Stars Anti Team: Anytime, EffOrt, Violet
Radfield's team emphasizes play time and consistency. Free, Calm, Stork, Action, and BaBy are all easy shoe-ins for play time, in particular this week where four out of the five are playing twice. Unlike a lot of other teams that fielded six point players, Radfield packed two seven pointers, Calm and Stork. Having these seven pointers allows a lot of trade flexibility between top players and the high potential for ace match picks week-to-week. If STX or KHAN is having a one game week, Radfield can easily switch up with players like ZerO or EffOrt who may have easier schedules and shift back when necessary, therefore maximizing his weekly points.
BaBy is the must-have pick for this season's FPL, and has proven to be a consistent scorer. If he continues his success, Radfield can either keep him or potentially even trade-up for a current five pointer like Kwanro if the opportunity arises.
With his 7-7-5 picks, Rad was forced to grab a one-pointer - Soulkey. This is potentially a great pick. Even if Soulkey doesn't play, he should earn around five-to-six points on Star power, and if he does play and win a few games, that's just pocket change for Radfield. Putting him as captain also increases Rad's trade flexibility, ensuring that he can rotate any slumping player out. Soulkey most likely wouldn't have been able to trade for any quality player this season, even with a grip of wins - better him as a captain then someone like Stork, who he'll want to trade later down the line.
Even without trades, Radfield's main team should keep him in the top 300 without any problems as long as the players remain as consistent as they've been round-to-round this season.
In many ways, Kyuu's team is similar to Radfield. He's got Woongjin as his main team, and Soulkey as Captain along with free and Action. Their teams diverge here, however, with Kyuu opting to sub out the seven pointers for not just two, but three six pointers - JangBi, Really, and Sea. The principle remains the same; Kyuu built a team that emphasized play time, consistency, and ace match potential. By going with a set of six pointers, however, allows Kyuu to potentially open the door for a really strong team later down the line, something along the lines of Stork, Calm, and ZerO alonside Free and Action, both which could upgrade as well. JangBi, Really, and Sea on their own are strong point grabbers and will play a tremendous amount as always, but if any of these players go on early streaks, that will open the doors wide open for Kyuu.
The only issue I have with this team is that it doesn't really have a strong Week 1 opening. Action, Really, and Sea only have one game this week and may counter one another due to the hidden roster format. In the long run, though, Kyuu can potentially make that up on the strength of his lineup, something that few others have.
Dyno, on paper, looks like a risky player with his team builds (including a really crazy Air Force ACE inspired one a few season's back I believe), but I think he's one of the well-thought out players in FPL. He's brought together another really cool team this season with Jaedong as a headliner and a most unusual pick in WeMade FOX.
Main Team: BaBy, Kal, Midas, fOrGG, Jaedong, MVP, and WeMade FOX Anti-Team: FireFist, Really, sKyHigh
WeMade FOX could very well be a fanboy pick by Dyno, but after last nights results you could also say that was a pretty damn brilliant pick by the FPL veteran. Armed with one of the few reasonable four-Terran rosters in the league along with potentially an annoying Zerg duo, WeMade's quasi-flexibility and potential to map-abuse could prove to be fantastic pick in the early going. With OZ, a team that completely lacks depth, later this week, Dyno may find himself being able to trade FOX off for a very strong team by the end of the week if he wants.
Like most teams, Dyno came packaged with BaBy and fOrGG, two favorites in this round for their recent consistency, and Kal who remains one of the top Protoss in the league long after most have fallen. These are really strong, solid compliments to Jaedong who - despite people calling slumped and overprice - will be earning Dyno mad points like he does every season thanks to ace matches. Even if Jaedong loses a few games, his ace matches quickly recover his losses and generally makes the payout worthwhile. If you look at the past several FPL teams, Jaedong and Flash have been the core of most top teams. I expect that to be a likely probability once again this round.
Finally, his cheap picks - Midas and MVP. Midas looks like a real gold mine this round considering his recent starleague play. Many players opted for Pure this round, but Midas was easily the best two-point pick in my opinion. A strong TvT is a real commodity right now, and he's got it. Mida's TvZ is just a bonus really. MVP is going to be very similar to Soulkey as a tech pick. He's shown an impressive TvP that may allow some snipes this season, but most likely will just soak up Star points.
Tech Discussion: Samsung KHAN
Most teams this season opted for the cheap Woongjin Stars. At three points, the team surely looks like a dream deal, especially considering their Winners League performance. A look at their schedule though, suggest otherwise. With KHAN, T1, and KT in the first two weeks, most Stars fans shouldn't expect a major payoff coming their way anytime soon - though it is possible. Stars have gone straight to ace match several times with these teams, and will most likely do so again, meaning they won't have a high payoff.
Enter Samsung KHAN. With a game against Air Force ACE this week, the team already looks cozy with a potential +6. Looking at the first two weeks, KHAN should keep up with Stars and lose minimal points, then take on ACE - who they've swept in their last two meetings - and hold up decently until Week 3 when....
drum roll
Woongjin starts picking up an easy schedule, with games vs. eSTRO and ACE. Don't you just love FPL.
Of course, this is all just theory-crafting, but that's the fun in it all. Good luck everyone!
Nice write-up, Bachho. Thanks for the kind words. Love the M:TG reference.
Wemade wasn't a fanboy pick. With Baby, Kal, Midas, Forgg, and MVP pretty much set in stone (I used recent starleague performance as a barometer, as I do most seasons), I was trying to decide between Leta/SKT1 and Jaedong/Wemade. I intially gave the nod to Leta/SKT1, but quickly found that that left me without a zerg.
I actually really like Wemade this round, with Baby and Midas both playing very well as of late. It only takes two players to win a proleague match. They may not get many 3-0s and 3-1s (last night was a blessing), but I think they're a very solid pick for the value.
To be honest, I didn't spend nearly as much time building my team this season as I usually do (although I didn't even play last season). I realized as I was about to go to bed the day before the deadline that I wasn't going to have any time to make a team the following day, so I threw this one together in about 30 minutes (granted still probably more time than your average FPL participant).
Sigh, if only Jaedong didn't lose I would be in first with a possible commanding lead if he played and won the ace. C'est la vie.
I let my anti-Bisu sentiments cloud my judgment and picked him to replace Effort on my anti. Not a smart choice when SKT's first match is against ACE But I prize consistency over short term performance, so I expect Bisu's overall suckiness to pay off in the end.
On April 11 2010 14:28 snowdrift86 wrote: I let my anti-Bisu sentiments cloud my judgment and picked him to replace Effort on my anti. Not a smart choice when SKT's first match is against ACE But I prize consistency over short term performance, so I expect Bisu's overall suckiness to pay off in the end.
I'm sure people will happily trade for Bisu for their antis after this week, there's no reason to put someone on your anti who is on a team that plays against ACE.
edit: there's an error in the results atm, it should be reality instead of rarity taking the 3rd set loss for KHAN -- this affects very few people and will be fixed as soon as a coder gets online
I chose flash then realizing after the polls closed that it probably was not the most efficient choice of player, however, i find he will definitely pull together (in his current form) some nice 70+ % wins. Hopefully he gains a ton of trade value and I can get rid of him later ^^ (maybe for some rising stars).
On April 11 2010 17:36 dRaW wrote: I chose flash then realizing after the polls closed that it probably was not the most efficient choice of player, however, i find he will definitely pull together (in his current form) some nice 70+ % wins. Hopefully he gains a ton of trade value and I can get rid of him later ^^ (maybe for some rising stars).
You're gonna trade away the player that's gonna give you the most points? What?
Yeah I realize I can trade him for anyone, but perhaps I see a few good prospects and drop flash + 1 for those two good ones, and prototype, he might win the most but most likely will not get the most points. They are getting points for the team win as well, and I am assuming KT will not win many matches with this format.
On April 11 2010 19:33 dRaW wrote: Yeah I realize I can trade him for anyone, but perhaps I see a few good prospects and drop flash + 1 for those two good ones, and prototype, he might win the most but most likely will not get the most points. They are getting points for the team win as well, and I am assuming KT will not win many matches with this format.
KT only need one more player to win and Flash will finish the ace match. IMO it would be a huge loss to trade away Flash now, since you could trade him for two 6-pointers before the season started.
On April 11 2010 19:33 dRaW wrote: Yeah I realize I can trade him for anyone, but perhaps I see a few good prospects and drop flash + 1 for those two good ones, and prototype, he might win the most but most likely will not get the most points. They are getting points for the team win as well, and I am assuming KT will not win many matches with this format.
KT only need one more player to win and Flash will finish the ace match. IMO it would be a huge loss to trade away Flash now, since you could trade him for two 6-pointers before the season started.
yeah well, but KT is prone to experiment with ace choices.
For the first time i stoped picking players/teams because im a fan. No Stork/KHAN this time.
My main team is Sea, Movie, Kal, Shuttle, MVP, Killer and STX
Anti : Effort, Hogil , Much
Sea is extemly cheap for his 6 points he will perform great + he is Ace of MBC. Same goes for Movie too with basicly all CJ slumpin he will play most of the games and he is Ace of CJ.
For the first time i pick Kal over Stork but lets face it he performs better lately and he is one of the most solid tosses together with Shuttle who is really underrated and with the new proleague system we will see Shuttle playing more. Combined with STX they should give me some big boost in points.
MVP got the be the best 1 pointer there is right now together with soulkey i guess. And only pick i dont like is Killer but i had to pick a zerg so he was the only choice with 4 points i think.
Now lets see about anti Effort is slumping even worse than Bisu so i think it was a wise choice and Hogil shouldnt play much too. Much is a good choice to considering ACE will lose most of their games.
My noob mistake was to pick Barracks over SoulKey I didnt want to commit that much to Wstars because already have Kwanro, GuemChi and them as my team and if they werent doing well, i would be in a bad place but after soulkey and woongjin victory im a sad panda
On April 11 2010 19:33 dRaW wrote: Yeah I realize I can trade him for anyone, but perhaps I see a few good prospects and drop flash + 1 for those two good ones, and prototype, he might win the most but most likely will not get the most points. They are getting points for the team win as well, and I am assuming KT will not win many matches with this format.
Trading doesn't work like that, you can't swap flash and a 1-pointer for two 6 pointers. You can only do 1-for-1 and if you lose value, its gone. Maybe in future seasons we'll allow multiple trades like this, but for now its not possible.
Damn, so I guess I can't do the trade, luckily for me I picked up soulkey and bogus (I assumed they would give these guys more play time, since STX don't have too many T other than hwasin+ STX will get team points for bogus, and soulkey performed well last Round. Also, both only ONE POINT!) I can't believe I picked stats though, he looks like he's underperforming lately... and damn I love movie but he's just not reliable with his unrefined consistency.
Sea, Really and Movie on my team spells phat points. My other players perform well too, with all except Best having won their games. For once a good starting week for me
On April 12 2010 21:01 Scorch wrote: My other players perform well too, with all except Best having won their games. For once a good starting week for me
Yeah, Bisu got one of his 2/3 wins in this round. I hope they will face stronger teams now so that Best gets more playtime as their number 1 Protoss.
i gt an okay result by having all MBC members and killer[who sucks shoud've gotten BABy] ,I was super extremely surprised MBC send nubs like jaehoon and Koala.I dunno wtf they are thinking and i was kinda sad.
Player Scoring: Lineup Appearance (non-Ace): +1 Point* Game Win (Ace included): +2 Points Game Loss (Ace included): -1 Point Ace Match Appearance: +2 Points 3-Game Win Streak: +1 Point 6-Game Win Streak: +2 Points 9-Game Win Streak: +3 Points Break Another Player's Streak: +1 Point Your Player's Team Wins: +1 Point**
This doesn't seem consistent with today's scoring for Sea, Really, Movie and Hogil. Does the ace match appearance give +3 points instead of +2, or am I overlooking something? Not that I'd complain, I have three of them on my team + Show Spoiler +
I hope this is not a stupid question,this is my first FANTSY sc perticipation,so could you please answer me when can i trade players ?Not that i need to do that right now(i`m 17) but maybe i`ll have to do it at some point.When i go to "trade" section it is written "trading is closed"?
On April 13 2010 05:12 zmeqt wrote: I hope this is not a stupid question,this is my first FANTSY sc perticipation,so could you please answer me when can i trade players ?Not that i need to do that right now(i`m 17) but maybe i`ll have to do it at some point.When i go to "trade" section it is written "trading is closed"?
You can trade in between proleague weeks (Thursday/Friday i think). In previous seasons it was important to wait for the lineups to be posted to make more informed decisions, but the new proleague rules without a priori lineups have kinda made that obsolete.
Player Scoring: Lineup Appearance (non-Ace): +1 Point* Game Win (Ace included): +2 Points Game Loss (Ace included): -1 Point Ace Match Appearance: +2 Points 3-Game Win Streak: +1 Point 6-Game Win Streak: +2 Points 9-Game Win Streak: +3 Points Break Another Player's Streak: +1 Point Your Player's Team Wins: +1 Point**
This doesn't seem consistent with today's scoring for Sea, Really, Movie and Hogil. Does the ace match appearance give +3 points instead of +2, or am I overlooking something? Not that I'd complain, I have three of them on my team + Show Spoiler +
and one on my anti
I noticed this too. ACE match players are getting 1 more point than they should.
Player Scoring: Lineup Appearance (non-Ace): +1 Point* Game Win (Ace included): +2 Points Game Loss (Ace included): -1 Point Ace Match Appearance: +2 Points 3-Game Win Streak: +1 Point 6-Game Win Streak: +2 Points 9-Game Win Streak: +3 Points Break Another Player's Streak: +1 Point Your Player's Team Wins: +1 Point**
This doesn't seem consistent with today's scoring for Sea, Really, Movie and Hogil. Does the ace match appearance give +3 points instead of +2, or am I overlooking something? Not that I'd complain, I have three of them on my team + Show Spoiler +
and one on my anti
I noticed this too. ACE match players are getting 1 more point than they should.
Sea: +1 point for appearing +2 points for ace appearance +4 for winning twice +1 for team win =8, not 9
Really: +1 for appearing -1 for losing ace, +2 for winning 1 game, +2 for being in ace match=4, not 5
I SWEAR TO GOD; I thought I picked shuttle, wtf? I have stats(epic fail)... Seriously a huge mixup, and now I can't trade stats for shuttle no doubt, my FPL is ruined. I feel bad for KT still because I don't think they will win many matches.
I hate WeMade sooo much. Sending Roro for Ace is one thing, but playing LUCIFER??? Thus ensuring Killer winning? Fuck you, please. You are officially my least favorite team
On April 14 2010 04:22 Itachii wrote: Well i swapped Bogus with Stats in last moment, would be whole diferrent story now if i haven't done that...
Also, i am so getting rid of KT, talk about wasted 6 pts heh
Curious, but why would you put Stats as captain? You are gonna come in last in almost every tie breaker.
I assume it's similar to the reason that I placed Soulkey as my captain. Greater trade flexibility. If high or medium priced players start doing poorly, I want to be able to trade them away and pick up streaking players or players with a favourable schedule. However, I'm rarely if ever going to waste one of my trades on a low priced player.
On April 14 2010 04:22 Itachii wrote: Well i swapped Bogus with Stats in last moment, would be whole diferrent story now if i haven't done that...
Also, i am so getting rid of KT, talk about wasted 6 pts heh
Curious, but why would you put Stats as captain? You are gonna come in last in almost every tie breaker.
I assume it's similar to the reason that I placed Soulkey as my captain. Greater trade flexibility. If high or medium priced players start doing poorly, I want to be able to trade them away and pick up streaking players or players with a favourable schedule. However, I'm rarely if ever going to waste one of my trades on a low priced player.
Then again, maybe he's just a monster Stats fan
That's the same way I thought, keep the good ones untied to your team so you can either trade them away when they get really overvalued or start slumping.
On April 14 2010 04:22 Itachii wrote: Well i swapped Bogus with Stats in last moment, would be whole diferrent story now if i haven't done that...
Also, i am so getting rid of KT, talk about wasted 6 pts heh
Curious, but why would you put Stats as captain? You are gonna come in last in almost every tie breaker.
I assume it's similar to the reason that I placed Soulkey as my captain. Greater trade flexibility. If high or medium priced players start doing poorly, I want to be able to trade them away and pick up streaking players or players with a favourable schedule. However, I'm rarely if ever going to waste one of my trades on a low priced player.
Then again, maybe he's just a monster Stats fan
That's the same way I thought, keep the good ones untied to your team so you can either trade them away when they get really overvalued or start slumping.
Just be glad you didn't end up with type-b as your captain. I keep telling myself that it gives me exactly that - greater flexibility when it comes to trading - but truth be told, I just fucked up in my fantasy picks :/
On April 14 2010 04:22 Itachii wrote: Well i swapped Bogus with Stats in last moment, would be whole diferrent story now if i haven't done that...
Also, i am so getting rid of KT, talk about wasted 6 pts heh
Curious, but why would you put Stats as captain? You are gonna come in last in almost every tie breaker.
I assume it's similar to the reason that I placed Soulkey as my captain. Greater trade flexibility. If high or medium priced players start doing poorly, I want to be able to trade them away and pick up streaking players or players with a favourable schedule. However, I'm rarely if ever going to waste one of my trades on a low priced player.
Then again, maybe he's just a monster Stats fan
I think the exact opposite. I always put my most expensive guy as my captain, in this case Stork. If Stork does poorly, I won't trade him for someone else because there is a good chance that it's due to bad luck or poor matchups, and if not, there's also a good chance they will pick up their game again. If one of my low cost players do super well, I like to trade them off right away, because I prefer under-performing high players over over-performing low players. A good example would be last Proleague where DejaVu119 traded Shine for Stork and got +36 out of it.
It also depends on the overall makeup of your team. I went with Soulkey captain/trade flexibility because I have three 6-pointers on my team, who are all valued decently and have all been inconsistent at some point or another, so it makes sense to be able to trade them all if need be. If you have a power player team with one of the big names then it makes more sense to make that player your captain, imo.
On April 14 2010 15:54 Kyuukyuu wrote: It also depends on the overall makeup of your team. I went with Soulkey captain/trade flexibility because I have three 6-pointers on my team, who are all valued decently and have all been inconsistent at some point or another, so it makes sense to be able to trade them all if need be. If you have a power player team with one of the big names then it makes more sense to make that player your captain, imo.
I'd agree with this generally, but it has come back to haunt people in the past. I do think if you hog someone like Flash, you might as well make him captain cause chances are you're not gonna trade him away. But if you're planning on winning through trading off medium pointers, I think you want a low pointer as your captain for flexibility.
On a side note, playing to lose is pretty hard too. There's a lot of strategy involved as well.
It's difficult to decide if/who to trade without knowing which teams are facing off this week and which teams only play once. Unfortunately the Kespa site comes up with malware warnings and the games haven't been posted on the calender yet. Is there another site that has the upcoming schedule?
If you google fomos, hit the translate button and then look for "View the entire schedule of April". Should be above a calendar. You should see the games on there.
On April 14 2010 15:48 Roffles wrote: Just don't pull an ITW where you tie for first but lose cause your captain was a 2 pointer who didn't get many points.
Should be a good week to keep effort on my anti-team He'll likely draw a terran vs Wemade, and either a zerg, terran or Kal vs STX. Hopefully that makes for a 2 loss effort week.
I'm having difficulty deciding whether to keep Stork or swap him for Kal. I feel like Kal is the stronger player right now, but that Stork might actually rack up more points due to his likelihood of playing more ace games than Kal. Both because Kal will likely split time at ace with Calm (and apparently Shuttle) and because STX has a good chance of ending most of its matches at 3-0 or 3-1.
I'm said it before, but I'd avoid having anyone on STX on the main just because of how diverse (and sometimes random) their lineup is. Hell, who'd figured they'd send Bogus twice...with him winning both??
Yes get forgg. Hwasin will only get around 4 games the entire round. Forgg is KT's second best player currently, so you can expect to see him every single match. Right now, he's only as good as his $3 price, but he's been improving, and with Flash, any Terran in KT will be improving fast.
On April 16 2010 09:50 ndralcasid wrote: I'm said it before, but I'd avoid having anyone on STX on the main just because of how diverse (and sometimes random) their lineup is. Hell, who'd figured they'd send Bogus twice...with him winning both??
Me, Bogus for captain! If only KT wasn't screwing me over..
On April 16 2010 08:53 Radfield wrote: Should be a good week to keep effort on my anti-team He'll likely draw a terran vs Wemade, and either a zerg, terran or Kal vs STX. Hopefully that makes for a 2 loss effort week.
I'm having difficulty deciding whether to keep Stork or swap him for Kal. I feel like Kal is the stronger player right now, but that Stork might actually rack up more points due to his likelihood of playing more ace games than Kal. Both because Kal will likely split time at ace with Calm (and apparently Shuttle) and because STX has a good chance of ending most of its matches at 3-0 or 3-1.
I sorta felt this way with having Really on my team. He might also play against two other players on my team, so I'm considering trading him for Stork, Kal, or Calm. Despite that, I'm also believing that Really will probably be better than the other three in the long-run, simply because eStro is lacking many A-teamers at the moment.
To be honest, it seems like really hasn't put up the big numbers that he did a few months ago. Stork seems to be failing again, and Kal & Calm are still pretty solid, they have moments where you go WTF? Personally, I wish that STX used Hwasin and Shuttle a little bit more instead of bogus >.<
They can all be pretty inconsistent at times. I'm probably keeping him anyways because he's already on my team, he has the highest trade value of the four, and I'm a Really fanboy.
Can I trade the same player multiple times? I just replaced Zero with Stork since Stars only has one match this week, while Khan has two matches -- will I be able to retrade for Zero next week if Stork's value rises?
On April 16 2010 19:07 snowdrift86 wrote: Can I trade the same player multiple times? I just replaced Zero with Stork since Stars only has one match this week, while Khan has two matches -- will I be able to retrade for Zero next week if Stork's value rises?
Didn't Khan play two matches last week too? If so, and factoring in how well they're playing at the moment, you most likely will not be able to get Zero back.
On April 16 2010 19:07 snowdrift86 wrote: Can I trade the same player multiple times? I just replaced Zero with Stork since Stars only has one match this week, while Khan has two matches -- will I be able to retrade for Zero next week if Stork's value rises?
No, a player's value is based on how many matches they have left, so even if Stork win 2 games and Zero only wins 1, Stork's trade value will decrease due to having less games left.
Man, still top 3. If only I realised I couldn't trade my captain....should have read the rules better. Just kinda threw a team together that looked solid
On April 17 2010 17:03 SuperArc wrote: Snow going 2-0 while CJ went 1-1.
Solid, solid player.
he obliterated kal. maybe it was the builds (I didn't see the beginning), but his push totally raped kal's army and nat. I was like O___O
Ya I dunno wtf happened. It looked like Kal got his expo slightly faster, but then a few minutes later Snow had 2 reavers + shuttle and more goons vs Kal's less goons no reaver.
On April 17 2010 17:03 SuperArc wrote: Snow going 2-0 while CJ went 1-1.
Solid, solid player.
he obliterated kal. maybe it was the builds (I didn't see the beginning), but his push totally raped kal's army and nat. I was like O___O
Ya I dunno wtf happened. It looked like Kal got his expo slightly faster, but then a few minutes later Snow had 2 reavers + shuttle and more goons vs Kal's less goons no reaver.
WTF?
It's very common in PvP for the player who expands first to be overrun by goon/reaver.
On April 17 2010 17:03 SuperArc wrote: Snow going 2-0 while CJ went 1-1.
Solid, solid player.
he obliterated kal. maybe it was the builds (I didn't see the beginning), but his push totally raped kal's army and nat. I was like O___O
Ya I dunno wtf happened. It looked like Kal got his expo slightly faster, but then a few minutes later Snow had 2 reavers + shuttle and more goons vs Kal's less goons no reaver.
WTF?
It's very common in PvP for the player who expands first to be overrun by goon/reaver.
Maybe it's because Kal went Templar tech and pumped probes, cutting down his army size... idk.
edit: the people with "impossible antis" picked upmagic, lux, sangho, etc before the news came out that these players were demoted to b-team, so we chose not to force them to pick new players
On April 19 2010 06:20 ndralcasid wrote: I like how I put Best on my main and SKT1 NEVER plays him =(
I had him on my team since forever. Don't worry, usually he grabs some points (at some unspecified point in time during the season), but he pays off even if T1 is winning, and they tend to win quite a few games over the span of a season. Best is tricky.
Edit: And just a funny thing I noticed now... Poor DalaiLamer, it looks like he's not going to rock this season.
All honesty, pretty much everything fell in my favor so far, except free/soulkey not beating Flash today. Who would have ever guessed that Shuttle would be winning ace matches?
Why do people pick Ruby for their anti, when he's ACE's best player and the only one with a legitimately good matchup? You're choosing the one guy on the team who's going to get sent out and win games.
Picking Ruby for anti is even stupider when you realize that you could get Jaehoon for the same price (or Modesty, but who knew that he'd get sent out and beat Jaedong ¯\(°_o)/¯ )
On April 20 2010 04:10 ndralcasid wrote: Picking Ruby for anti is even stupider when you realize that you could get Jaehoon for the same price (or Modesty, but who knew that he'd get sent out and beat Jaedong ¯\(°_o)/¯ )
I'd go further and say that almost any Terran is a bad pick for anti, given the current meta-game trends. Maybe Skyhigh as he was very overpriced, but you can no longer depend on random Terran players to just roll over and die.
On April 20 2010 02:38 snowdrift86 wrote: Why do people pick Ruby for their anti, when he's ACE's best player and the only one with a legitimately good matchup? You're choosing the one guy on the team who's going to get sent out and win games.
Because even if he is ACE's best player, he's still not very good. He could get points for getting sent for an ace match, but to do that, ACE has to first win two games, a rare feat for them TT. Also, if the matchup is anything but TvZ, chances are very good that he'll lose. It was better having him back when the anti-team could get you points.
On April 21 2010 03:03 JodoYodo wrote: After two seasons of Roro destroying my antiteam, I've learned my lesson.
Hahaha so true. He always seems like such a good pick but god damn wemade always plays him. Sometimes even for their ace. I did not put Roro on my anti team this round for the first time.
Roro,how could you do that to me I though he was not going to be played so much with baby in such form and imagine my surprice when they even send him as ace in one match..
I give up this season. Went from #59 to 600's in 2 days. Every one of my guys either lost or didn't get sent out, while my anti-team went on a roll. Next season please.
Most of the players that I thought would do well and did decent last season aren't pulling their weight at all, and only seem to get me a point for being played.
So im thinking about trading Killer who has given me 5 points, for Shuttle, who currently has 10.. however, i know Oz will keep playing him, while shuttle is always competing against a deep team of his own.
On April 22 2010 04:22 Grobyc wrote: Man I'm starting to give up :<
Most of the players that I thought would do well and did decent last season aren't pulling their weight at all, and only seem to get me a point for being played.
Fantasy PL is always 10%skill, 20%luck, and 71%ROFLCOPTER.
It's only been the second week guys, in R2 I was ~500th in the second week, gave up (I also went on vacation so I couldn't trade or look at lineups/results at all), and came back to find myself 8th. Ended up 4th I think? Or maybe 6th... anyway there's still lots of time left so unless you've totally FUBAR'd your team up with shitty players that are impossible to trade, anything can happen
Well, right now I'm sitting pretty at the third spot, but I have the feeling that I'm a bit fucked in the long run. I should've traded for Really last week because now he's too expensive for me. On top of that, there are no good choices to replace Killer on my anti, which is unfortunate since Oz will keep playing him a lot as they always do.
On April 21 2010 15:33 Jojee wrote: Worst FPL night. Ever.
You went up in rank and points...
My boyfriend was posting on my account, his FPL has Stork, Best and his anti Jaehoon. He was just pissed at the 5th set of SKT and Stork and Best failing hard, he's still at 170 though.
Anyway, so, my team is pretty fail. Right now Hwasin and Modesty have barely scored points. I'll keep modesty because he's gonna be sniping zergs.
Now I also have FBH. I like FBH. But FBH keeps failing, and his low value only really allows me to trade him for Hyuk (or MVP, soulkey and these other kids which have shown some 'good' games).
On April 22 2010 06:07 Kyuukyuu wrote:... so unless you've totally FUBAR'd your team up with shitty players that are impossible to trade, anything can happen
I have -3 points. Am I outside of "anything can happen" territory yet?
On April 22 2010 06:07 Kyuukyuu wrote:... so unless you've totally FUBAR'd your team up with shitty players that are impossible to trade, anything can happen
I have -3 points. Am I outside of "anything can happen" territory yet?
shitty players that are impossible to trade
You sorta started out with a team full of those :x Better luck next season
On April 24 2010 09:50 LUE.Leoj wrote: Ugh, picking Zero on my anti has been an awful choice. All I can swap him for is Really, Light, Flash, and Jaedong. V_V
At least you can still trade him... I once picked the top scorer for my anti and couldn't get rid of him until the end of the season. He raped my team alone...
the best anti team looks like effort hoejja and savior =/ i traded yarnc for hoejja after he owned stork and myself with -4 lol still hate my tempest pick ]=
JESUS!!! I have bad luck, I trade anti for JANGBI, then he wins twice, AS SOON AS I TRADE jangbi for EFFORT, he wins!!! lmao if it weren't for this anti I could be high =/... Also I was not sure if I should trade STATS for FLYING (He is estros new protoss ace in sangho's absence so he will get a ton of games^^). I am really liking most of these new map as well makes for entertaining matches, anyone think that soulkey will become an elite on woongjin?
I knew eventually, but jangbi has been playing better so I'd rather have effort instead of jangbi... Turns out just to be an unlucky timing of things =/. I also have decided to go with MVP and Flying because they both have been playing rather well lately and I assume they will get decent playing time (for their trade value as well).
Its so fucking annoying when someone in your anti beats a main team member... Like effort > action. Why did I trade Great -> Action anyway, meh, even if estro plays vs ACE now
eh, im lucky if i break 1k i figured bisu would perform poorly, so i put him on my anti-team, but it turns out hes winning enough to bolster my anti-team. =\
On April 27 2010 23:22 JadeFist wrote: Wtf MBC...you send Jaehoon rather than Sea for ace? Jaehoon is on my AT and Sea on my main. I lose points even though Jaehoon never won a game. -_-
Whew, I took an accidental 2 hour nap today, during which I dreamed that Kwanro won not one but 2 games (somehow) today AND played in Ace (but lost). This gave him +10 gain and it made my Kwanro -> Kal trade gain really awful.
But alas it was only a dream! Dodged that bullet...
On April 22 2010 06:14 snowdrift86 wrote: Well, right now I'm sitting pretty at the third spot, but I have the feeling that I'm a bit fucked in the long run. I should've traded for Really last week because now he's too expensive for me. On top of that, there are no good choices to replace Killer on my anti, which is unfortunate since Oz will keep playing him a lot as they always do.
Cause of death: murdered by anti. It's a vicious circle -- if someone on your anti starts performing, it gets even harder to trade him away. The lack of lineups makes this whole thing a crapshoot.
Can someone explain to me how does the week change in players value work?Or is there a specific thread about that?Because i find some changes really strange and cannot see a logical explination behind it.Hope someone clears this up for me,it will be a lot easier to trade players when i know exactly what to expect at the end of the week.
On May 03 2010 19:55 zmeqt wrote: Can someone explain to me how does the week change in players value work?Or is there a specific thread about that?Because i find some changes really strange and cannot see a logical explination behind it.Hope someone clears this up for me,it will be a lot easier to trade players when i know exactly what to expect at the end of the week.
There's a good chance the problems you see are related to the amount of matches left for X or Y team. A player's trade value will be lower if he has less matches left to play, etc...
So if you trade X for Y, Y plays 2 matches, but X only 1, you might not be able to retrade him, if that's your problem, since X value will stay higher since he still has more matches to play.
I can earn alot points today if SKT T1 fielded Hyuk & Best again . They have to win too~
Yea, and Flash can help me score more points if he appeared in both ace match and regular match. kkk.
Hwasin is such a disapointment, I've exchanged forgg for hwasin before FPL start just because I want to support him for getting into dual league. Ahh, what am I thinking I don't even know him.
On May 05 2010 11:35 XiaoJoyce- wrote: Hwasin is such a disapointment, I've exchanged forgg for hwasin before FPL start just because I want to support him for getting into dual league. Ahh, what am I thinking I don't even know him.
Hwasin is always in dual league. But it is kinda weird that he isn't being fielded for proleague. I guess he's not doing so well in practice.
On May 05 2010 11:35 XiaoJoyce- wrote: Hwasin is such a disapointment, I've exchanged forgg for hwasin before FPL start just because I want to support him for getting into dual league. Ahh, what am I thinking I don't even know him.
Hwasin is always in dual league. But it is kinda weird that he isn't being fielded for proleague. I guess he's not doing so well in practice.
And forgg isn't exactly doing any better, lol.
But they both cost 3 points only. How well do u want them to do. Forgg won an ace match, fielded 2 times on ace match. And regular on KT matchup.
i wish this got updated yesterday, I feel like I would of been near the top since I have kal/baby/soulkey/stx. once it gets updated after tonight i'll be not as high as i would of been right now :\
Seriously, I thought I made good trades for this week, having Fantasy and Great off my roster for Calm and Midas, and then Fantasy goes to Ace 2 times, and Great got to Ace, too, while Calm lost 1 and Midas only played 1 match....
On May 05 2010 15:34 Umbrella wrote: Man, screw Hoejja. Wish I could've picked him up for AT; I don't think I can pull ahead when everyone on top seems to have him.
I have fairly incredible AT just 1 point worse that first place and mediocre MT with solid guys like action, sea and free that all went 3-3, 2-3, 2-2. This seems to happen often to my teams.
And lose in such a wierd fashion. That game I was rooting for him with all my power. I don't know if it helps but....
Ahh, such a letdown, both players playing conservertive and dragging game. The final few moments I saw was Leta with approx 1300 mineral and Bogus with approx 30 mineral.|
Got me excited for nothing, u know. the bigger the hope, the bigger the dissapointment.
I've slowly been gaining. No trades this season, and with reason, I'm lazy. Really though, Hyvaa is the only guy I'd trade but I picked him up for nothing and he's understandably worth nothing.
The cool thing about FPL for me is how I tie it so strongly to personal favorites. Sure, I try to win and that influences some of my picks, but I favor STX greatly and Fantasy has been on my anti every season I've played. I see FPL in part as an aggregate measurement of how well players I like are doing in proleague and how poorly players I dislike are doing. Point is, I'm happy with #39 for a day (I don't expect another top 10, probably ever), but I'm happier my nerds are doing well.
Anti Team this week, traded jangbi for perfectman lolol hoejja, jaehoon, perfectman make a pretty nice failteam as anti :D
but sea........ 9points total, 0 for the last 3 weeks is.....???? Even with sea, i managed to get to #60 or so, thanks cj mostly, and midas/calm/Baby forgg is so-so but earns some points, and pure.... Fucking pure..... ONE fucking appearance, enough said. Can't even trade him off now :///
i traded for free predicting that he'd probably win his regular game and if it went to ace he'd play against leta with leta have his weakest matchup. welp there went about 10 pts
Wow I got totally destroyed by my anti today lol Hoejja + Really winning = gg I traded Really for Effort which didn't really matter since both Really and Effort won and so did their teams lol total rape
sadface @ Violet not even making an appearance...also at me waiting 'til two weeks ago to pick up roro, would be in a much happier place if I had him initially
I had the option to trade Flying for BaBy, but I choosed Bisu instead. That sucks.. So Bisu raped my AT in the first rounds and now he wont score at all. That just sucks. I should've jumped on the babywagon.
On May 18 2010 12:09 dukethegold wrote: You know what the biggest trap in this season's FPL is?
Hwasin.
He was Kespa #10, worth only 3 points and was located in a good team. It looked like a good pick.
It turned out that he is under heavy investigation for match throwing and will probably NEVER appear on the line up.
Thus far, he has had ZERO appearance and he has earned me a total of 8 points just because STX is doing well.
Every week, I tell myself that he's gonna appear on the lineup, but he doesn't.
I think he's just playing really bad. I mean he still shows up to each PL match and sits on the bench (unlike others who are deftly confirmed to be part of the scandal like savior/luxury/justin).
In the beginning of the season, I was either going to pick between hwasin and bogus. I picked hwasin because he was in both leagues lol. After bogus won 2 games I traded hwasin for bogus lol. Then bogus never won another game -_-. what sucks is that right before hero went on his streak I was going to trade bogus for hero but forgot to because I was too busy with finals :\
doesnt matter though I guess, I got screwed over by sea/effort. If only I had reversed them....
Another prominent figure was a popular professional gamer surnamed Ma, 22, dubbed “the Maestro,” who, according to prosecutors, told two fellow gamers surnamed Jin, 21, and Park, 22, to lose a tournament on Jan. 19th and received money for doing so. That StarCraft tournament was broadcast live on TV, and the commentator said: “Today’s game seems a bit strange. Why didn’t you [Park] attack when you had the chance?”
Anyone know which game this referred to?
On May 18 2010 18:52 GTR wrote: luxury (park) vs hwasin (jin) on tornado
Another prominent figure was a popular professional gamer surnamed Ma, 22, dubbed “the Maestro,” who, according to prosecutors, told two fellow gamers surnamed Jin, 21, and Park, 22, to lose a tournament on Jan. 19th and received money for doing so. That StarCraft tournament was broadcast live on TV, and the commentator said: “Today’s game seems a bit strange. Why didn’t you [Park] attack when you had the chance?”
maaaaaaaaaaaaaan im a terrible trader this season. last season my trading was superb. this season, i managed to get on the worst traders page with a -24 -_-
On May 21 2010 08:20 Trezeguet23 wrote: I put yarnc on my anti team and he is the only one of those guys that still appears in games, blah...
Hey, blame the coaches. The Hite coaches are the only staff members that are being reprimanded.
Other coaches took the offenders off the roster right away. Hite kept their offenders playing till forced retirement.
Well hite had like 7 people on their roster, so I guess they wanted to keep them around for bit. Without go.go/yarnc/type-b their roster is (more) pathetic.
On May 21 2010 08:20 Trezeguet23 wrote: I put yarnc on my anti team and he is the only one of those guys that still appears in games, blah...
Hey, blame the coaches. The Hite coaches are the only staff members that are being reprimanded.
Other coaches took the offenders off the roster right away. Hite kept their offenders playing till forced retirement.
Well hite had like 7 people on their roster, so I guess they wanted to keep them around for bit. Without go.go/yarnc/type-b their roster is (more) pathetic.
well to be fair those 3 have been doing pretty awful in PL just about this entire proleague season (all 4 rounds). Hite has been a pretty different team for quite a few months now.
Good day for me too Stork Best Kal Shuttle on team... coulda been great if Kal/Shuttle won for STX ace match because STX is my main team but no they needed to send a clam for ace
I got really lucky this season with WeMade fanboyism, I think I would have done a lot better if I didn't make the dumb decision of trading Action for Soulkey and Best for Reach (not that its ever a mistake to have Reach on your team :D)
Anyway 64 isn't bad for only playing FPL 3 times right? A new personal best :3
Yay I won! Thanks FaCE_1. I really thought I was going to lose because peidongyang had 5 players/team left on the last day. He had Shuttle, Wemade, Great, Midas, and Baby (who I have as well). I think the BW Gods felt pity for me because of the Savior thing. Magically somehow Great, and Midas lost and Wemade lost 2-3.
If only peidongyang mad some trades, he would have won. Yes Wemade was on fire, but if he traded them for CJ who were also on fire, he would have won. I mean Wemade vs a slumping Khan or CJ vs a terrible Ace.
EPT
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HiyA > 
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Jaedong > 
But I prize consistency over short term performance, so I expect Bisu's overall suckiness to pay off in the end.![[image loading]](http://i39.tinypic.com/a0wcqa.jpg)
