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On January 08 2010 14:52 Sadist wrote:
not to be a dick but why would anyone want a rep from 2006.
Not to be a dick, but I know that you know I hate your friend who is the most annoying person I've ever had the chance to encounter. But really when I have 2 replays to show due to being uploaded on sites, and people are demanding standard games... it kinda makes sense. I guess beating players like mondragon and jf then doesn't equate to c+ skill now. You guys shouldn't think, you aren't capable of it.
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On January 08 2010 14:55 machinehead.. wrote:
I swear most of you have the reading comprehension of a 2 year old. Yes, can't read at all. I was saying I was cheesing in the reps I uploaded in a sarcastic tone, because someone kept saying I was cheesing in all my games, "u went 1 gate forge in a pvt." I made a freaking cannon at my natural. Bisu must be cheesing hard in pvz... I mean it just baffles me how people can be of this caliber
Nonono... I didn't say you cheesed... read again. I said it was really lame... because we are not talking about pvz yo, it's pvt. If you get lucky you would only get FD'ed because most terrans at that level just 2 fac every single game. Your build loses to everything. If you want an early economy go 13 nexus not some forge shit.
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On January 08 2010 14:58 machinehead.. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 14:52 Sadist wrote:
not to be a dick but why would anyone want a rep from 2006. Not to be a dick, but I know that you know I hate your friend who is the most annoying person I've ever had the chance to encounter. But really when I have 2 replays to show due to being uploaded on sites, and people are demanding standard games... it kinda makes sense. I guess beating players like mondragon and jf then doesn't equate to c+ skill now. You guys shouldn't think, you aren't capable of it.
what the hell are you talking about.
Im just saying who the hell cares about games vs JF 3-4 years ago. JF wasnt even JF then if i remember correctly. its like me posting replays vs sea when he was 12 years old.
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On January 08 2010 14:59 WeSt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 14:55 machinehead.. wrote:
I swear most of you have the reading comprehension of a 2 year old. Yes, can't read at all. I was saying I was cheesing in the reps I uploaded in a sarcastic tone, because someone kept saying I was cheesing in all my games, "u went 1 gate forge in a pvt." I made a freaking cannon at my natural. Bisu must be cheesing hard in pvz... I mean it just baffles me how people can be of this caliber Nonono... I didn't say you cheesed... read again. I said it was really lame... because we are not talking about pvz yo, it's pvt. If you get lucky you would only get FD'ed because most terrans at that level just 2 fac every single game. Your build loses to everything. If you want an early economy go 13 nexus not some forge shit.
I just played 12 or so games at that level and the only thing I lost to was an 8 rax that I stopped... Any build can work if the player is that much more skilled than you, but dts and cannons aren't a bad spot to be in versus 2 fac. I see you have a zerg icon, but I'm assuming you also play pvt -- I would like to know your skill level. If it is better than me, then I'll consider it and hope you show me some replays (sincerely).
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On January 08 2010 15:06 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 14:58 machinehead.. wrote:On January 08 2010 14:52 Sadist wrote:
not to be a dick but why would anyone want a rep from 2006. Not to be a dick, but I know that you know I hate your friend who is the most annoying person I've ever had the chance to encounter. But really when I have 2 replays to show due to being uploaded on sites, and people are demanding standard games... it kinda makes sense. I guess beating players like mondragon and jf then doesn't equate to c+ skill now. You guys shouldn't think, you aren't capable of it. what the hell are you talking about. Im just saying who the hell cares about games vs JF 3-4 years ago. JF wasnt even JF then if i remember correctly. its like me posting replays vs sea when he was 12 years old.
Combine that with the fact that I was B+ last season and you're basically lacking a point. The build I used versus Mondragon is the same one that is used today. The bo I used versus jf was a close variation to what Flash was using a year ago. It's not like it was some bizzare outdated stuff. Stuff that people could copy today and have success. I even posted a replay versus an A rank korean from last season. I mean you guys come off as desperate. I don't even care if anyone ends up wanting to be coached. It's not a big deal to me, it's simply something I could obviously do for d through c+ players... If you started a thread stating you could teach d through c+ players, what would be outrageous about it if you are above c+?
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On January 08 2010 15:12 machinehead.. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 15:06 Sadist wrote:On January 08 2010 14:58 machinehead.. wrote:On January 08 2010 14:52 Sadist wrote:
not to be a dick but why would anyone want a rep from 2006. Not to be a dick, but I know that you know I hate your friend who is the most annoying person I've ever had the chance to encounter. But really when I have 2 replays to show due to being uploaded on sites, and people are demanding standard games... it kinda makes sense. I guess beating players like mondragon and jf then doesn't equate to c+ skill now. You guys shouldn't think, you aren't capable of it. what the hell are you talking about. Im just saying who the hell cares about games vs JF 3-4 years ago. JF wasnt even JF then if i remember correctly. its like me posting replays vs sea when he was 12 years old. Combine that with the fact that I was B+ last season and you're basically lacking a point. The build I used versus Mondragon is the same one that is used today. The bo I used versus jf was a close variation to what Flash was using a year ago. It's not like it was some bizzare outdated stuff. Stuff that people could copy today and have success. I even posted a replay versus an A rank korean from last season. I mean you guys come off as desperate. I don't even care if anyone ends up wanting to be coached. It's not a big deal to me, it's simply something I could obviously do for d through c+ players... If you started a thread stating you could teach d through c+ players, what would be outrageous about it if you are above c+?
hey do what you gotta do, Im not criticizing you on wanting to coach people. Im just saying its not a big deal that you beat JF or Mondragon in games that occurred several years ago. I dont know how good you are or whatever and am not nearly as critical as some people here.
For what its worth I completely disagree with a majority of people on this site who seem to have this idea that ranks are incredibly hard and accurate measurement of skill. That somehow a C+ player is better than a C player. Or that B+ > B. All you need to do is get lucky and win several games in a row and you can move up a rank. It also has a shitload to do with when/who you play.
But again. Do you =)
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On January 08 2010 15:12 machinehead.. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 15:06 Sadist wrote:On January 08 2010 14:58 machinehead.. wrote:On January 08 2010 14:52 Sadist wrote:
not to be a dick but why would anyone want a rep from 2006. Not to be a dick, but I know that you know I hate your friend who is the most annoying person I've ever had the chance to encounter. But really when I have 2 replays to show due to being uploaded on sites, and people are demanding standard games... it kinda makes sense. I guess beating players like mondragon and jf then doesn't equate to c+ skill now. You guys shouldn't think, you aren't capable of it. what the hell are you talking about. Im just saying who the hell cares about games vs JF 3-4 years ago. JF wasnt even JF then if i remember correctly. its like me posting replays vs sea when he was 12 years old. Combine that with the fact that I was B+ last season and you're basically lacking a point. The build I used versus Mondragon is the same one that is used today. The bo I used versus jf was a close variation to what Flash was using a year ago. It's not like it was some bizzare outdated stuff. Stuff that people could copy today and have success. I even posted a replay versus an A rank korean from last season. I mean you guys come off as desperate. I don't even care if anyone ends up wanting to be coached. It's not a big deal to me, it's simply something I could obviously do for d through c+ players... If you started a thread stating you could teach d through c+ players, what would be outrageous about it if you are above c+?
The difference here is that your only going to teach people unorthodox things, and your advice might be terribly wrong. Hell, watching these replays, you don't play like a B+ at all. So I donnou. Offering to teach people for money when your not a good player is a terrible thing to do.
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On January 08 2010 15:12 machinehead.. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 15:06 Sadist wrote:On January 08 2010 14:58 machinehead.. wrote:On January 08 2010 14:52 Sadist wrote:
not to be a dick but why would anyone want a rep from 2006. Not to be a dick, but I know that you know I hate your friend who is the most annoying person I've ever had the chance to encounter. But really when I have 2 replays to show due to being uploaded on sites, and people are demanding standard games... it kinda makes sense. I guess beating players like mondragon and jf then doesn't equate to c+ skill now. You guys shouldn't think, you aren't capable of it. what the hell are you talking about. Im just saying who the hell cares about games vs JF 3-4 years ago. JF wasnt even JF then if i remember correctly. its like me posting replays vs sea when he was 12 years old. Combine that with the fact that I was B+ last season and you're basically lacking a point. The build I used versus Mondragon is the same one that is used today. The bo I used versus jf was a close variation to what Flash was using a year ago. It's not like it was some bizzare outdated stuff. Stuff that people could copy today and have success. I even posted a replay versus an A rank korean from last season. I mean you guys come off as desperate. I don't even care if anyone ends up wanting to be coached. It's not a big deal to me, it's simply something I could obviously do for d through c+ players... If you started a thread stating you could teach d through c+ players, what would be outrageous about it if you are above c+?
Why are they desperate?
You are the one trying to advertise yourself as a good SC player, which would hopefully give you further credentials to coach.
He was arguing about how "JF wasn't JF" back then; not a top notch player. Not about the builds.
this thread has too many silly arguments and garbled lingua lol. i quit 
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Are you saddles 1.1? I only read page 1 reading rest now.
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gogogo post replays in iccup against koreans only with standard play till B+. The problem is players here prefer to be paid instead of paying to play this game. Foreigners next most important step is to match those mechanics. A coach need those set of skills, mechanics then strategy.
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I'm not even trying to advertise myself as a good player. The only point is I can help people who are d through c+. Only thing that is really being implied is that I'm above c+.... Obvious things get made into a biggest dick contest, I don't get it. "You don't play like you are b+." It's a good thing I'm not offering to teach B players then...
Guys, I'm not interested in teaching standard play... D through C+ players should already know standard play... I can give pointers if they choose to play that way, but I would suggest other ways of playing.
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I dont understand why having good play has to mean being able to play standard well every single game. Being good can also mean that you use different build orders and strategies and can adapt well to changing situations within the game while making good decisions. you guys criticize unorthodox plays like early forge just because progamers don't do it. if strats like that can still win you games at a high rank, why wouldn't you do it?
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D-C+ players should know standard play?
most good foreigners dont know standard play
you sure as hell dont
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On January 08 2010 15:27 machinehead.. wrote:
I'm not even trying to advertise myself as a good player. The only point is I can help people who are d through c+. Only thing that is really being implied is that I'm above c+.... Obvious things get made into a biggest dick contest, I don't get it. "You don't play like you are b+." It's a good thing I'm not offering to teach B players then...
Guys, I'm not interested in teaching standard play... D through C+ players should already know standard play... I can give pointers if they choose to play that way, but I would suggest other ways of playing.
You seem to be implying that being 1 (or at most 2) ranks above someone qualifies you to be their teacher. I'm not sure that this is true. Teaching talent doesn't necessarily go hand in hand with knowledge, and furthermore, usually to teach a subject you are required to be quite a bit more than 2 ranks above your students in most cases. For instance, if you want to teach pre-calc you often need to have at least a Master's degree in Math, right? You can't teach Calc 1 because you're in Calc 3.
Now, sometimes you can tutor though. But again, in those cases it's not about the talent differential but about the fact that they are your peer who has already succeeded what you are at and has made the effort to become able to listen to people and help them help themselves. Usually they aren't so much professors or teachers as people who try to make you solve things yourself, but saving you some time when you're making big mistakes.
Now I'm not sure, based on your posts so far, that we can put you in either category (tutor or professor). Clearly, 2 ranks difference doesn't make you a professor (not to say anything of teaching talent, an issue not addressed at all). As far as being a tutor, we haven't seen anything of your methods or your intent to become helpful--you are advertising based on your skill level alone, which doesn't necessarily mean you will be a good tutor.
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If people watch vods and download replays, they know standard play. Their execution might make it seem that they don't. I haven't paid attention to standard play in a while, because I prefer to do my own thing. It's more enjoyable that way.
People seem to have the mentality of you can be taught perfect mechancis, when I feel it is something that comes down to repetition and should be fairly obvious but simply something that takes a lot of practice to obtain. Idra being the progamer that has achieved superb mechanics, perhaps he can shed light on it though.
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On January 08 2010 14:55 machinehead.. wrote:
I swear most of you have the reading comprehension of a 2 year old. Yes, can't read at all. I was saying I was cheesing in the reps I uploaded in a sarcastic tone, because someone kept saying I was cheesing in all my games, "u went 1 gate forge in a pvt." I made a freaking cannon at my natural. Bisu must be cheesing hard in pvz... I mean it just baffles me how people can be of this caliber.
Again, yesterday I uploaded a replay versus mondragon -- it was as standard as humanly possible. Today I uploaded a game versus JF when I went fast armory play... again, standard (for me it was then, and now it is in today's game)
D through C+ players can watch pro games for standard play. It's pretty obvious what to do... they just haven't mastered macro and micro. My selling point is I have gotten away from standard play. Not playing standard is not a bad thing, and it doesn't mean you are a cheesy noob that can't play standard. Preference is a word, perhaps some have an understanding of it.
Except for beginners, even when watching pro games for standard builds, some important things don't register to them while they are watching. And if noobs haven't mastered macro and micro, then obviously they need to work on macro and micro; how would playing non-standard help newer players at all.
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On January 08 2010 15:34 machinehead.. wrote:
People seem to have the mentality of you can be taught perfect mechancis, when I feel it is something that comes down to repetition and should be fairly obvious but simply something that takes a lot of practice to obtain. Idra being the progamer that has achieved superb mechanics, perhaps he can shed light on it though.
By that logic then there is absolutely nothing you can teach us.
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On January 08 2010 15:34 old times sake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 15:27 machinehead.. wrote:
I'm not even trying to advertise myself as a good player. The only point is I can help people who are d through c+. Only thing that is really being implied is that I'm above c+.... Obvious things get made into a biggest dick contest, I don't get it. "You don't play like you are b+." It's a good thing I'm not offering to teach B players then...
Guys, I'm not interested in teaching standard play... D through C+ players should already know standard play... I can give pointers if they choose to play that way, but I would suggest other ways of playing. You seem to be implying that being 1 (or at most 2) ranks above someone qualifies you to be their teacher. I'm not sure that this is true. Teaching talent doesn't necessarily go hand in hand with knowledge, and furthermore, usually to teach a subject you are required to be quite a bit more than 2 ranks above your students in most cases. For instance, if you want to teach pre-calc you often need to have at least a Master's degree in Math, right? You can't teach Calc 1 because you're in Calc 3. Now, sometimes you can tutor though. But again, in those cases it's not about the talent differential but about the fact that they are your peer who has already succeeded what you are at and has made the effort to become able to listen to people and help them help themselves. Usually they aren't so much professors or teachers as people who try to make you solve things yourself, but saving you some time when you're making big mistakes. Now I'm not sure, based on your posts so far, that we can put you in either category (tutor or professor). Clearly, 2 ranks difference doesn't make you a professor (not to say anything of teaching talent, an issue not addressed at all). As far as being a tutor, we haven't seen anything of your methods or your intent to become helpful--you are advertising based on your skill level alone, which doesn't necessarily mean you will be a good tutor.
D through C then.... If someone has achieved ranks above you and they have inferior mechanics to you, that simply means you have more potential than them... and all the more reason to have them teach you the game, because obviously game knowledge is the only difference.
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On January 08 2010 15:34 machinehead.. wrote:
If people watch vods and download replays, they know standard play. Their execution might make it seem that they don't. I haven't paid attention to standard play in a while, because I prefer to do my own thing. It's more enjoyable that way.
People seem to have the mentality of you can be taught perfect mechancis, when I feel it is something that comes down to repetition and should be fairly obvious but simply something that takes a lot of practice to obtain. Idra being the progamer that has achieved superb mechanics, perhaps he can shed light on it though.
No, most foreigners don't know standard play. To be honest, even though I've gotten B/B+ (not bragging, so shut it), I myself had no understanding of true standard play. There's specific builds, placements, etc. It takes a while to get a hang of it, and practice until your mechanics and your builds are strong enough to deal with GOOD opponents.
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Machinehead, I think the problem is you think you're good or have something to offer by "teaching" unorthodox play. This thread is hilarious. Your selling point is that you have gotten away from standard play? And then you say that you can watch the pros to play standard and instead get trained by you to cheese/play 'strategical'/unorthodox? LOL?
It is the entire opposite. ANYONE can learn and execute a build order and get a BUILD ORDER WIN or a BUILD ORDER LOSS. You would not be teaching anyone anything by doing that, that is the entire damn point. No one wants to "learn" or be "taught" how to cheese or play unorthodox because it does not make you a better player. Those are build order wins/losses, anyone can execute them and get wins off of them.
Pretty much repeating most of the people with common sense in here, if you are going to teach you have to prove you have good mechanics/know the metagame/play standard and have a deep understanding of the game. Only then does "learning cheese/unorthodox play" even matter as a mix-up to your game and adding in ranges of builds. People want to learn to get better at the game skill-wise, not get a build order win/huge advantage from something like a DT opening in pvt over and over vs other weak players. Which is what you yourself have said you are offering to do.
You want to teach non-standard to D- through C+ level gamers. So you are offering people to learn how to get build order wins vs other weak games, rather than offering teaching services on improving a player's core game.
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