EPTMachinehead rep pack: tvz and pvt. - Page 5
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machinehead..
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Jonoman92
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Chill
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ZZangDreamjOy
Canada959 Posts
On January 08 2010 15:44 Chill wrote: BTW I don't understand why we look down at someone who plays cheesy. Seriously. Why is there this magical line of honorable and not? If it's because it's easy, then who is the fool for making the game harder than it could be? I'm not looking down at him. I commend people for doing things off the wall, etc. It makes this game fun. But really, he's trying to offer people training IN cheese, etc. For money. It's a sham. | ||
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machinehead..
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Chill, it's nice to see you not troll me. Didn't think I would see the day, but it's a pleasant surprise. Kudos for that. | ||
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machinehead..
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ZZangDreamjOy
Canada959 Posts
On January 08 2010 15:50 machinehead.. wrote: People that say I'm cheesing simply don't understand the game, imho. If you want to say my pvt is "cheesy" as in it's gay... no doubt I pride myself on that -- as most good pvt players do. Cheese is something that is very risky... I'm not doing risky all-in strats... You guys are blind if you think that. Cheese, and All In are different things. Cheesing is usually something gay, annoying, unorthodox, but not all in. ALL IN means your doing something with no eco, a coinflip basically. Your attempting to teach people nothing that will help them become good gamers. | ||
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machinehead..
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ZZangDreamjOy
Canada959 Posts
On January 08 2010 16:01 machinehead.. wrote: The foundation of my recent strategies is simple: counter both extremes of the spectrum (8 rax/2gate and 14cc, etc), while being able to keep your eco ahead of theirs, or at least on par and to out skill/strategize them from there. What happens when a terran 14 cc's against zerg? The zerg usually loses unless he did a 4-9 pool. The early zealot is simply essential in eliminating the threat of an "auto loss." It's a balancing act that is nothing like cheese. I'm done arguing with you. Your replay pack speaks differently then you do. Good day sir. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
no one is going to take you seriously if the last rep you uploaded was from 2006 | ||
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machinehead..
412 Posts
On January 08 2010 16:04 ZZangDreamjOy wrote: I'm done arguing with you. Your replay pack speaks differently then you do. Good day sir. You're not reading the games right then to infer it properly. For instance, I 9 rax on python for 2 reasons: 1) if they 4 pool and spawn at close positions and you went 10 rax, then you are going to be losing some scvs and it's not fun dealing with. 2) triple hatch before pool, this is a bo that is close to the equivlent of 14 nexus, and we don't want them getting that eco adv. If they 12 pool us we are on equal footing and we are not just a cheesy player, we can play on equal footing so I feel like I will win that game. It's simply a balancing act. | ||
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machinehead..
412 Posts
On January 08 2010 16:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: do you realize you're just losing legitimacy fast by arguing no one is going to take you seriously if the last rep you uploaded from 2006 I deleted my reps a month ago; I just submitted 30 reps played within the past 2 days. The best player I played during tsl was an A player with 130-30 stats -- I won and I submitted it -- I used a gas before gateway build). Anyways, I'm done with the topic for a while, as I don't really understand the points being made. I am interested in teaching non standard strategies, and people are harping at me for not teaching standard? Like... I care... | ||
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ZZangDreamjOy
Canada959 Posts
On January 08 2010 16:12 machinehead.. wrote: I deleted my reps a month ago; I just submitted 30 reps played within the past 2 days. The best player I played during tsl was an A player with 130-30 stats -- I won and I submitted it -- I used a gas before gateway build). Anyways, I'm done with the topic for a while, as I don't really understand the points being made. I am interested in teaching non standard strategies, and people are harping at me for not teaching standard? Like... I care... I just gotta jump back in on this. Your a typical east scrub. Your attempting to teach people strategies that don't work vs good players, or will work ONCE, in a blue moon. Your replays show us nothing, except your a sham. Stop arguing with people who are most likely better players then you, and/or smarter then you. If you had just offered to help for free, none of this would be happening. People don't want to be taught retarded builds, they want to be taught something that could help them go up levels, not sometimes win, sometimes lose. Incontrol can teach for money because hes GOOD. Your not. | ||
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Navi
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On January 08 2010 16:12 machinehead.. wrote: I deleted my reps a month ago; I just submitted 30 reps played within the past 2 days. The best player I played during tsl was an A player with 130-30 stats -- I won and I submitted it -- I used a gas before gateway build). Anyways, I'm done with the topic for a while, as I don't really understand the points being made. I am interested in teaching non standard strategies, and people are harping at me for not teaching standard? Like... I care... I somehow am attracted to your thread like pussy to rich man I guess the reason why everyone is suggesting that you teach standard is, as many people assume (and idra said lol) is that D-C players generally need working on mechanics before theorycrafting and sick new strategies (and cheeses). Your target audience is one that needs helps with their foundations, not the players with the high level of play that prereqs good theorycrafting. Some people may be more rude, and others nicer; but they are all trying to offer you advice to help you sell yourself as a coach better. And at the same time, most of these guys are only being dicks to you because you were acting dickish to them too. lol. | ||
Ver
United States2186 Posts
Valkonic would be an example of a nonstandard strategy that almost everyone does not understand well at all and I'm sure plenty don't even know it exists. It's very good but there are only a handful of players in the world (meaning a few top pros only) who understand it well at all. The TvZ build that you did in those replays is simply terrible and is completely outdated. A better, more optimized version of it was used a long time ago but that has been obsolete since 2005 when Savior came about. If you actually understood standard builds as you say you do you would understand that what you are doing is rubbish. | ||
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ZZangDreamjOy
Canada959 Posts
On January 08 2010 16:26 Ver wrote: There is a very big difference from non standard and bad. Valkonic would be an example of a nonstandard strategy that almost everyone does not understand well at all and I'm sure plenty don't even know it exists. It's very good but there are only a handful of players in the world (meaning a few top pros only) who understand it well at all. The TvZ build that you did in those replays is simply terrible and is completely outdated. A better, more optimized version of it was used a long time ago but that has been obsolete since 2005 when Savior came about. If you actually understood standard builds as you say you do you would understand that what you are doing is rubbish. BUT HE GOT B+! He MUST be good. Thank you Ver. You eloquently stated what I could not put into words. | ||
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numLoCK
Canada1416 Posts
Showmatch him? I mean, I haven't watched the reps, but based on what you guys are saying his builds are fucking retarded. If the guy gets B+ with retarded ass builds then he must be doing something right. So he can keep talking about his old reps or past achievements, but I'd love to see some actual games. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Oh but I guess you know more than idra and ver rofl | ||
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sassme
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On January 08 2010 16:32 numLoCK wrote: ZZang. Or someone else. Showmatch him? I mean, I haven't watched the reps, but based on what you guys are saying his builds are fucking retarded. If the guy gets B+ with retarded ass builds then he must be doing something right. So he can keep talking about his old reps or past achievements, but I'd love to see some actual games. this i know it might come off as a dick measuring contest but everyone would love to see this if machinehead doesnt mind it a lot and since he has some spare time id love to see him play either of those guys, bo5 or so somehow i expect some shitty excuse from "zzangdreamjoy" | ||
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ZZangDreamjOy
Canada959 Posts
On January 08 2010 16:37 sassme wrote: this i know it might come off as a dick measuring contest but everyone would love to see this if machinehead doesnt mind it a lot and since he has some spare time id love to see him play either of those guys, bo5 or so somehow i expect some shitty excuse from "zzangdreamjoy" I'll play him. It doesn't matter. If he wins or loses, it's a null/void situation. It doesn't mean he'll be a godo teacher or anything. His style will get you to a certain rank, and that's it. You'll never be a good/great player. I realized that. I think it's about time he does too. | ||
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