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You realize I don't troll you because of what I may believe your skill level to be or what your teaching abilities may be.
I troll you because I believe you're an ass. Hell, I'm an ass, but at least I'm not ignorant about that quality of myself. What about you? Do you believe you're actually innocent of this treatment? Maybe (ya know, maybe) it was uncalled for, but do you think it's unheard of?
I believe you will get little respect the way you act, unless you pull a stunt like taking 4th in WCG 2009. =/
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Using my good faith in humanity (and Gretorp), I'm sure you've said some intelligent things in this thread, but it's the trash that you include that sticks out (on mah trollin' radar).
Let's all be civil and mature now, mmmk?
+ Show Spoiler +On January 08 2010 14:35 machinehead.. wrote: I hope your offspring will be born with a brain, it would be tragic if it was hereditary.
Oops.
*edit* spoiler'd to build suspense
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On January 08 2010 14:50 CaucasianAsian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 14:42 machinehead.. wrote:
Listen, I don't join teams cause I don't see the point and I don't like 99% of the people in the SC community. The last thing I would want is to make friends with most of the "good" players in the US. If you act like an idiot -- I don't have a reason to care for your existence. If you are a reasonable person who isn't a d-bag (not a hard thing to do), then I have no problems with you and I would be the opposite of rude to you. It's not my call, it's a reflection of how you act. People will get treated how they deserve. I'm sorry but you sound like an egotistical bastard. If you keep going about how amazing you are and that you can teach people for a price (which you have never stated) then go for it. But you are going a about it the wrong way. Saying you have beaten top players (by cheesing) isn't the way to do it. If you want to teach people, then teach people what they want to learn. People want to learn the fundamentals of starcraft, good macro, good micro, the right timings, etc... Which iNControl can teach very well, because he plays what people call 'standard' very very well. You on the other hand, don't seem to grasp the fundamentals that people want to learn. Until you can prove that you have such skills, I can assure you that you won't get anyone who wants to learn from you. Everyone can learn how to cheese, but they aren't getting any better at the game, which is what they WANT to do. They don't want to learn how to beat someone good by a surprise build, they want to learn how to beat them good straight up. They want to walk over their peers with superior knowledge of the game, amazing macro and breathtaking micro. They don't want to do some cheesey build that will get them a nice looking letter. For your own sake, prove that you have the knowledge of the game that people will pay for. Not some cheese builds, as they can just watch TT1's replay pack for that!
your a clown, be quiet please
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machinehead what is wrong with you? do you want all this drama seriously?
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Again, I only read the last few responses. I've had the mentality that everyone in the SC community that is above b- could help the same target range I had as long as they spoke the same language, and they weren't better than their student simply because they have superior mechanics.
I used to watch all the TVZ progamer replays and it wasn't real hard to understand standard play and to emulate -- if you had good enough macro/micro then you were set. If players are in my target range and they are already playing standard, then there are other strategies they could use that would better suit their current macro/micro skills. 2 base arbiter play for instance is a hell of a lot easier than playing standard pvt. Drama should not have come with my OP; I can't predict how many people that aren't capable of grasping simple concepts would chime in.
And for the record If I did teach someone, I would be enthused to do something like d through c or even d through c-. And if the joke is I can't help that target range still... the joke is on you.
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On January 09 2010 05:00 machinehead.. wrote:
And for the record If I did teach someone, I would be enthused to do something like d through c or even d through c-. And if the joke is I can't help that target range still... the joke is on you.
I suggest you offer your services for free to a select group of people, and then have them write up their impression of you as a mentor. I think that would fix a lot of the drama your threads have been generating. Given that the feedback is positive in nature.
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I might do that, because after all there isn't a real big difference between cheap and free. But if the students are around d+... I mean there is a myriad of things that are easy to point out and correct. But I guess I could be blind....
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im tempted to buy a lesson just to see what its like lol ) too bad my paypal acc is just registred to receive else i would take a lesson
machinehead theres no need to defend urself, its impossible. too many ppl r against u now and it doesnt matter how much nonsense they talk or how good posts and arguments u make, they will twist it around to make u look bad regardless of what u say. my advice to u would be to enter all tournaments u can get a grab of and get urself some achievements then make this proposal again
but if ur just trying to make an easy buck starcraft is one of the hardest ways to do it, trust me on that one
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On January 09 2010 05:16 MorroW[MB] wrote:
im tempted to buy a lesson just to see what its like lol ) too bad my paypal acc is just registred to receive else i would take a lesson
Judging from your track record in the TSL2 thus far you're probably not in the demography :-P
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Figuring how well you did in TSL, I've been thinking about getting lessons from you. Btw, atm I would only accept full tilt transfers, as the whole point from my perspective is convenience related to poker...
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On January 09 2010 05:16 MorroW[MB] wrote:
im tempted to buy a lesson just to see what its like lol ) too bad my paypal acc is just registred to receive else i would take a lesson
machinehead theres no need to defend urself, its impossible. too many ppl r against u now and it doesnt matter how much nonsense they talk or how good posts and arguments u make, they will twist it around to make u look bad regardless of what u say. my advice to u would be to enter all tournaments u can get a grab of and get urself some achievements then make this proposal again
but if ur just trying to make an easy buck starcraft is one of the hardest ways to do it, trust me on that one
Morrow, wise words. Also part of why I'm trying to get back into poker and not being "super gosu" at SC. I can prove that I've already beaten many top players in today's game and have qualified for things like WCG. That knowledge and potential hasn't left me... but my will to accomplish those same feats is not close to what it once was. My only hope is to be able to help some players in the D through C category, not rival players of your caliber. I'm close to dropping it and moving on, as it was hardly a big deal to me to begin with. But unreasonable people can be inciting.
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the majority of people bashing machinehead in this thread (and the earlier thread) would get raped by him anyway in a 1v1.
people should relax holy crap its not like he's gonna be forcing you to take lessons lmfao.
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On January 08 2010 15:42 machinehead.. wrote:
Avilo I used to be in nex with you -- you are one of the worst players I know. I used to beat you in tvt repeatedly, despite not even being a tvt player, and all you could talk about is how you should teach me TVT cause I'm bad at it. You are not a smart guy.
Ah, I see, you are NeX-Playa. I remember you from years ago from U.S. East op nex-, used to play with you too. Wonder why you don't go by that username on here. guess you're a machinehead AND a hard head now...
You were a good player from what I remember when I was active, very damn good PvT game, except I only remember you going DT into arbiter every game...but dude, you are not going to win anyone over to your side with how you are posting so arrogant on here, let alone with no solid "credentials." Especially if you are offering to teach.
I remember you basically went DT opening EVERY single PvT game into fast arbiter, and dude, I am remembering this from YEARS ago, from 2004+ as you say, and if that is all you are still doing now (from what people described from watching your rep pack), I do not know how much you improved since then...lmao...
No one is going to take you serious on TL unless you have more serious "credentials" like A rank iccup, showing good games on stream, or unless you post a rep pack with good standard and strong play...shit like that. It don't think it helps your cause much that even I, an "unknown" as well in the SC community remember you from years ago and your best match-up was PvT because you'd go DT every game into fast arbiter, and that you always said you had "sick TvZ" because "tvz was imbalanced and 'easy'." You said that in 2006 too lol...
On January 09 2010 00:15 Pr0terg wrote:
For all of you that don't know who I am, I am [Pan]Gretorp. I play completely theoretical based, and rely on being smart in my game play since my execution sucks T.T I've known machinehead for at least 5 years now, and I have learned a majority of my theoretical Starcraft from him.
Throughout playing machinehead.. as long as i've ever known him, I've never seen him cheese once. He's the one that taught me never to cheese in any type of practice game, and explained to me the fundamentals of effective learning. I have no clue what people are talking about and it's really sad to keep hearing that.
His play style is unorthodox at sometimes but it's never to get a build order win. He plays deliberately, and the majority of people don't understand the reasoning which is why people discredit his play. In reality, he plays extremely smart imo.
It boils down to this:
There are those that think he's not qualified to teach.
There exists no qualification to teach. a D+ could teach a D, and a D could teach a D+. Mike Tison's coach could never beat Mike Tison, but this mean does not mean he shouldn't bother with a trainer.
There are those that discredit his rank, mechanics, knowledge of "standard play"/theoretical understanding.
There isn't much I can say for this other than I can vouch that he probably understands this game more than the majority of players. In my opinion his rank is correct although rank is just an arbitrary indicator of approximate skill. However, anyone that can get B+ is going to be theoretically stronger than the majority, generally.
I do believe he is being victimized, as people are unnecessarily harsh right off the bat. Do I believe there could be better ways of marketing his product, yes, however people are being extremely rude and delegitimizing his service because of that.
As for skill, theory, and ability to explain and teach, I think machinehead is strong still since I have talked with him about this many of times throughout the years. I've played with him twice recently and went 1-1 with him. He's still capable of strong mechanics.
As for marketing, D- :O!
However, I don't think the people trolling this is helping anyone.
I remember you as well from nex pr0terg, I agree playa is a good player...but how can you say you have never seen him cheese lol? Basically 90% of his PvT he goes DT lol...of course I cannot say if he improved that, but people are saying that his reppack is mostly cheese games...so I will not be the judge of that.
He is strong player, but yes, perhaps he should take some marketing and people relations courses @_@
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On January 09 2010 04:32 iamtt1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 14:50 CaucasianAsian wrote:On January 08 2010 14:42 machinehead.. wrote:
Listen, I don't join teams cause I don't see the point and I don't like 99% of the people in the SC community. The last thing I would want is to make friends with most of the "good" players in the US. If you act like an idiot -- I don't have a reason to care for your existence. If you are a reasonable person who isn't a d-bag (not a hard thing to do), then I have no problems with you and I would be the opposite of rude to you. It's not my call, it's a reflection of how you act. People will get treated how they deserve. I'm sorry but you sound like an egotistical bastard. If you keep going about how amazing you are and that you can teach people for a price (which you have never stated) then go for it. But you are going a about it the wrong way. Saying you have beaten top players (by cheesing) isn't the way to do it. If you want to teach people, then teach people what they want to learn. People want to learn the fundamentals of starcraft, good macro, good micro, the right timings, etc... Which iNControl can teach very well, because he plays what people call 'standard' very very well. You on the other hand, don't seem to grasp the fundamentals that people want to learn. Until you can prove that you have such skills, I can assure you that you won't get anyone who wants to learn from you. Everyone can learn how to cheese, but they aren't getting any better at the game, which is what they WANT to do. They don't want to learn how to beat someone good by a surprise build, they want to learn how to beat them good straight up. They want to walk over their peers with superior knowledge of the game, amazing macro and breathtaking micro. They don't want to do some cheesey build that will get them a nice looking letter. For your own sake, prove that you have the knowledge of the game that people will pay for. Not some cheese builds, as they can just watch TT1's replay pack for that! your a clown, be quiet please
haha, sorry if that was hurtful. I didn't mean for it to sound demeaning towards you at all. I just meant that you have a few cheeses in that rep pack, like a few proxy gates PvT on HBR and PvP on destination. I'm still a fan 
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On January 09 2010 05:57 LuckyFool wrote:
the majority of people bashing machinehead in this thread (and the earlier thread) would get raped by him anyway in a 1v1.
people should relax holy crap its not like he's gonna be forcing you to take lessons lmfao.
Exactly.
Why in the world is everyone being so harsh to this guy?
He is just stating his proposition to teach low skilled players in exchange of some cash so he can have fun at poker.
Even if his style is different, I am sure he is able to execute it well. Cheese alone wont get you to B+, you certainly need an understanding of the game, good execution, etc. Being a macro whore is not the only/right way to play Starcraft.
And even if the deal does not seem favorable to you, no one is forcing you to pay.
I am sure that most Starcraft players are like me, and see the game as a mere hobby. Paying extra for it does not appeal to me, after all, it is not an investment just a loss. Attaining higher skill in Starcraft doesn't really benefit me in many ways, unlike soccer... I would join a training club for soccer so I could be able to play the sport with other players.
Starcraft I dont need to join a training program/club to play. So Starcraft training would be something I would only take for free. =)
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On January 08 2010 10:38 IdrA wrote:
are you real?
LOL
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"but what am i supposed to do" LOL
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gah n/m..... im embarrased at my own team member lol
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On January 09 2010 06:17 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 15:42 machinehead.. wrote:
Avilo I used to be in nex with you -- you are one of the worst players I know. I used to beat you in tvt repeatedly, despite not even being a tvt player, and all you could talk about is how you should teach me TVT cause I'm bad at it. You are not a smart guy. Ah, I see, you are NeX-Playa. I remember you from years ago from U.S. East op nex-, used to play with you too. Wonder why you don't go by that username on here. guess you're a machinehead AND a hard head now... You were a good player from what I remember when I was active, very damn good PvT game, except I only remember you going DT into arbiter every game...but dude, you are not going to win anyone over to your side with how you are posting so arrogant on here, let alone with no solid "credentials." Especially if you are offering to teach. I remember you basically went DT opening EVERY single PvT game into fast arbiter, and dude, I am remembering this from YEARS ago, from 2004+ as you say, and if that is all you are still doing now (from what people described from watching your rep pack), I do not know how much you improved since then...lmao... No one is going to take you serious on TL unless you have more serious "credentials" like A rank iccup, showing good games on stream, or unless you post a rep pack with good standard and strong play...shit like that. It don't think it helps your cause much that even I, an "unknown" as well in the SC community remember you from years ago and your best match-up was PvT because you'd go DT every game into fast arbiter, and that you always said you had "sick TvZ" because "tvz was imbalanced and 'easy'." You said that in 2006 too lol... Show nested quote +On January 09 2010 00:15 Pr0terg wrote:
For all of you that don't know who I am, I am [Pan]Gretorp. I play completely theoretical based, and rely on being smart in my game play since my execution sucks T.T I've known machinehead for at least 5 years now, and I have learned a majority of my theoretical Starcraft from him.
Throughout playing machinehead.. as long as i've ever known him, I've never seen him cheese once. He's the one that taught me never to cheese in any type of practice game, and explained to me the fundamentals of effective learning. I have no clue what people are talking about and it's really sad to keep hearing that.
His play style is unorthodox at sometimes but it's never to get a build order win. He plays deliberately, and the majority of people don't understand the reasoning which is why people discredit his play. In reality, he plays extremely smart imo.
It boils down to this:
There are those that think he's not qualified to teach.
There exists no qualification to teach. a D+ could teach a D, and a D could teach a D+. Mike Tison's coach could never beat Mike Tison, but this mean does not mean he shouldn't bother with a trainer.
There are those that discredit his rank, mechanics, knowledge of "standard play"/theoretical understanding.
There isn't much I can say for this other than I can vouch that he probably understands this game more than the majority of players. In my opinion his rank is correct although rank is just an arbitrary indicator of approximate skill. However, anyone that can get B+ is going to be theoretically stronger than the majority, generally.
I do believe he is being victimized, as people are unnecessarily harsh right off the bat. Do I believe there could be better ways of marketing his product, yes, however people are being extremely rude and delegitimizing his service because of that.
As for skill, theory, and ability to explain and teach, I think machinehead is strong still since I have talked with him about this many of times throughout the years. I've played with him twice recently and went 1-1 with him. He's still capable of strong mechanics.
As for marketing, D- :O!
However, I don't think the people trolling this is helping anyone. I remember you as well from nex pr0terg, I agree playa is a good player...but how can you say you have never seen him cheese lol? Basically 90% of his PvT he goes DT lol...of course I cannot say if he improved that, but people are saying that his reppack is mostly cheese games...so I will not be the judge of that. He is strong player, but yes, perhaps he should take some marketing and people relations courses @_@
My pvt actually used to be my worst matchup -- it only improved because I had to practice only pvt for a WCG regionals against nesh and evade (both terrans). It was the last time I took it seriously at really improving, so the result was my pvt was my new best mu. Tvp was my best matchup, but it's anything but fun to play so I pretty much stopped playing against P untill recently I tried out pvp.
The reason my pvt is "gay" is because I was decent at tvp; It's incredibly easy to play against standard pvt players compared to players that really abuse the "imbalances" of pvt. If you want to win pvt games, you have no business playing anything close to standard unless you have the mechanics of a Nony type player.
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