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l10f
United States3241 Posts
that's rigging the votes. At least you should have explained what it was. | ||
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SultanVinegar
United States372 Posts
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Chaos
United States772 Posts
On December 08 2009 06:20 SultanVinegar wrote: imo the top 5 maps besides python are perfect for this league I agree | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On December 07 2009 16:48 Gao Xi wrote: I get what you're saying, but I meant to say we should have Python to keep a balance between older maps, and newer maps used right now. But if we always play maps that have an easier 3rd, when a map with a hard to take 3rd comes up, the people won't be as comfortable? If its like 50/50 between old maps and new, I think people would play better, since they aren't straying too far away from their comfort zone. For example, the maps could be like: Python Destination Fighting Spirit Match Point Moon Glaive So that people can learn to use 2base/1base strategies and also learn to do more modern strategy. If we only use new maps, it will probably be really tough for people to learn, because there could be like many possibilities, since the newer maps are a lot more complex than the older ones. If you want a truly simple macro map, include Luna. I do actually think that Luna would be a great map to include for just that purpose: it's an incredibly simple map with zero gimmicks and it contains many of the things more modern maps do (unbuildable middles, etc.). The true issue with Python for me is PvZ. There's no point in practicing pvz on python. It doesn't help the p or the z player at all past D-. Python is not a macro map, it's really kind of the opposite. The rush distances are really short. Edit : It's also totally wrong for PvT and TvP, you have to go 2 gate goon into 2 base arbs/carriers unless cross positions usually. 2 Fac rushes are also really encouraged, the map just lends itself to bad habits. And with someone rigging the poll I don't think many of the votes for python are legitimate- until the discussion occurred it was actually behind almost all the other maps, leading me to believe its current position is probably due to Proom's signature. | ||
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
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ProoM
Lithuania1741 Posts
On December 08 2009 07:00 l10f wrote: Oh, Python. What shall we do with you? play, love, respect no matter what, until the end of the time. Amen. | ||
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Mekhami
90 Posts
On December 08 2009 07:00 l10f wrote: Oh, Python. What shall we do with you? just veto it outright, it's a detriment to the league. Can you imagine if progamers still played on maps like Lost Temple or Nostalgia? Same reasoning here. Veto outright please. | ||
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
Poll: Python (Vote): Love (Vote): Hate | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
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FyRe_DragOn
Canada2057 Posts
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laLAlA[uC]
Canada963 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On December 08 2009 07:44 FyRe_DragOn wrote: why dont we make a similar poll for outsider, ive heard alot more people complaining about it on iccup than python. The fact that so many people are voting for python just MIGHT suggest that we should use it. It's not incredibly hard to make a poll, I'll go ahead and make one for you : Poll: Outsider : Love or hate? (Vote): Love (Vote): Hate | ||
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Ethelis
United States2400 Posts
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Gao Xi
Hong Kong5178 Posts
On December 08 2009 04:58 l10f wrote: Sounds too difficult to organize and explain, IMO. If you watch hockey or (Football?) It would be easier to understand, and its not really complicated at all. I just might have explained it badly. =/ Further Explanation: Group 1 should be West and Group 2 should be East. So West teams should play against themselves more often since, the timezone difference will be little and lag would be a lot less, same thing with the East. At the end of the season you take the top 3 teams from West and have them do a round robin tournament, just like what they did in WCG. Do the same thing with East. The top team after the round robin in the West advances to play the top team after the round robin in the East. Winner would be like Champions of the Coach-Pupil league. And for the scoring: Lets say Team 1 beats Team 2 3-1 Team 1 would get 2 points Team 2 would get none because they couldn't get it to ace match. But lets say Team 1 beats Team 2 3-2 Team 1 would get 2 points But this time Team 2 would get 1 point. So it would be more fair. The Playoffs would be BO7, so each team would have to play 3 BO7 games, (4 if they come out on top and have to play the Finals.) So needs to be done, is to organize people into the different groups, East and West. Then make 6 teams for both groups. | ||
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Zurles
United Kingdom1659 Posts
iCCup Rank: High D+, can peak c- Race Played: Terran iCCup Name and Link:http://www.iccup.com/search.php?search=zuries&search-sel=0 Available Time: basically always. How to Contact Outside of TL.net: pm/irc/vent/kojimi101@hotmail.com Suggestions/Comments/Requests: lets get it on. | ||
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Shinshady
Canada1237 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On December 07 2009 22:32 Gao Xi wrote: If you watch hockey or (Football?) It would be easier to understand, and its not really complicated at all. I just might have explained it badly. =/ Further Explanation: Group 1 should be West and Group 2 should be East. So West teams should play against themselves more often since, the timezone difference will be little and lag would be a lot less, same thing with the East. At the end of the season you take the top 3 teams from West and have them do a round robin tournament, just like what they did in WCG. Do the same thing with East. The top team after the round robin in the West advances to play the top team after the round robin in the East. Winner would be like Champions of the Coach-Pupil league. And for the scoring: Lets say Team 1 beats Team 2 3-1 Team 1 would get 2 points Team 2 would get none because they couldn't get it to ace match. But lets say Team 1 beats Team 2 3-2 Team 1 would get 2 points But this time Team 2 would get 1 point. So it would be more fair. The Playoffs would be BO7, so each team would have to play 3 BO7 games, (4 if they come out on top and have to play the Finals.) So needs to be done, is to organize people into the different groups, East and West. Then make 6 teams for both groups. Are you saying the round robin is BO7? Rather than that it makes sense and I dont mind it... maybe we should have a poll on this too with our other massive polls....? xD | ||
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
On December 08 2009 08:45 Shinshady wrote: Well I think comparing 2 player maps to 4 player maps, 2 player maps encourage cheese a bit. I'm not saying they dont happen on 4 player maps I'm just saying that on 2 player maps cheesing is a lot easier since well you know where you opponent is... and I don't think D-/D/D+ should be cheesing for the most part since our mechanics and stuff isn't down and pat. Still Andromeda would also be a nice choice seeing how the mineral only and stuff could well, change things up more. + Show Spoiler + On December 07 2009 22:32 Gao Xi wrote: I think we should organize it something like the NHL since they do an awesome job with the setup. So for this it would be 2 groups of 6 teams. Group 1 would play against group 1 teams more, and Group 2 would play against group 2 teams more. And occasionally have group 1 teams play group 2 teams. The groups should be divided by timezone, so like Group 1 could be West and Group 2 could be East. So that way we could reduce lag, and timezone differences. And at the end of the season, we should have like playoffs, where the top 3 teams from each group play a round robin tournament for their group, and then the winner from each round robin tournament from the groups play each other in the final. Its sorta confusing but i'll use an example: Group 1: Group: 2 Team 1 Team 7 Team 2 Team 8 Team 3 Team 9 Team 4 Team 10 Team 5 Team 11 Team 6 Team 12 Lets say after the season Team 1,2,and 3 are the top 3 in Group 1, and Team 7,8, and 9 are the top in Group 2. Group 1 will have a round robin, so it would be like: 1 vs 2 1 vs 3 2 vs 3 Group 2 would look like 7 vs 8 7 vs 9 8 vs 9 Lets say Team 1 and Team 7 win the round robins. Then it would be Team 1 vs Team 7 for the grand finals. For season and playoffs points it could be like: Win = 2 points Ace match Loss = 1 point Lose = 0 points Just a thought, cause I think it would work well with this league. I to be fair really like this idea it kind of expands on the norm and makes it bit more interesting but I guess it's up to the general consensus of people. Sounds too difficult to organize and explain, IMO. If you watch hockey or (Football?) It would be easier to understand, and its not really complicated at all. I just might have explained it badly. =/ Further Explanation: Group 1 should be West and Group 2 should be East. So West teams should play against themselves more often since, the timezone difference will be little and lag would be a lot less, same thing with the East. At the end of the season you take the top 3 teams from West and have them do a round robin tournament, just like what they did in WCG. Do the same thing with East. The top team after the round robin in the West advances to play the top team after the round robin in the East. Winner would be like Champions of the Coach-Pupil league. And for the scoring: Lets say Team 1 beats Team 2 3-1 Team 1 would get 2 points Team 2 would get none because they couldn't get it to ace match. But lets say Team 1 beats Team 2 3-2 Team 1 would get 2 points But this time Team 2 would get 1 point. So it would be more fair. The Playoffs would be BO7, so each team would have to play 3 BO7 games, (4 if they come out on top and have to play the Finals.) So needs to be done, is to organize people into the different groups, East and West. Then make 6 teams for both groups. Are you saying the round robin is BO7? Rather than that it makes sense and I dont mind it... maybe we should have a poll on this too with our other massive polls....? xD 2 groups of 6~7 teams, top 2 from each group advances to the Ro4. Sounds like an easy to follow, sensible format. I think that's the best way to go | ||
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Gao Xi
Hong Kong5178 Posts
On December 08 2009 08:45 Shinshady wrote: Are you saying the round robin is BO7? Rather than that it makes sense and I dont mind it... maybe we should have a poll on this too with our other massive polls....? xD Uhh, I don't get what you mean. But I mean like: West: Team 1 vs Team 2 is a BO7 Team 1 vs Team 3 is a BO7 Team 2 vs Team 3 is a BO7 East: Team 7 vs Team 8 is a BO7 Team 7 vs Team 9 is a BO7 Team 8 vs Team 9 is a BO7 | ||
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Shinshady
Canada1237 Posts
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Gao Xi
Hong Kong5178 Posts
On December 08 2009 08:54 Shinshady wrote: Well what about the rest of it... so your implying everything should be BO7? Then what about finals/round robin set? Shouldn't playoffs be BO5 like PL and let the last events be BO7? Well sticking to the SPL format regular season games should be BO5. Playoffs should be BO7. Unless they would like to do like 2 BO7s for the grand final and like a super super ace match. Or something. | ||
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