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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
HOLY FUCK YEAHHHHHHHH SICK SICK SICK I hope ALL (or at least, most of) these maps get implemented, and + Outsider and/or Heartbreak Ridge. Such great looking maps. Btw two things: 은빛날개 -> Shouldn't this be Silver Wings? Or did you put Silver Sky because it sounds nicer? (or because of the TL member? :p) Also, anyone noticed a lot of those maps have a 2-way entrance to the nats? O_O | ||
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Kreedit
Sweden373 Posts
On August 29 2009 00:20 Ideas wrote: the only thing worse than 2 ZvZs every proleague match is 2 TvTs every PL match T_T Well id rather watch watch 2 deep and strategic games that last for 20+ min than 2 repetitive snoorefests that last 10 min. But oh well its a sad fact that so many people nowadays fail to apreciate TvT for its sheer brilliance  PS: some gross overgeneralization here i admit but i hate ZvZ with a fury and consider TvT to be the best mirror so yeah im biased  | ||
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
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SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
But, the maps do look awesome, can't wait for the new season of PL to begin! | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
Anyways, Asgard probably is not as bad for p fe as many as you say. You get great forge/gate walls with nice cannon placement, and for hydra breaks you can place cannons on top of those ridges that cover pretty much the whole valley which allows for very efficient defense. | ||
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Ideas
United States8182 Posts
On August 29 2009 00:42 Kreedit wrote: Well id rather watch watch 2 deep and strategic games that last for 20+ min than 2 repetitive snoorefests that last 10 min. But oh well its a sad fact that so many people nowadays fail to apreciate TvT for its sheer brilliance PS: some gross overgeneralization here i admit but i hate ZvZ with a fury and consider TvT to be the best mirror so yeah im biased I like both match-ups a lot (especially more than PvP, GOD I JUST HATE PVP), but I'd rather have non-mirrors all the time. I'd rather have ZvZs than TvTs because lower level ZvZs at least end a lot faster, where as TvTs that don't feature S or A-class players tend to drag out too long and aren't nearly as entertaining as other matchups. DO YOU NOT REMEMBER SPL 2008!??! | ||
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Kreedit
Sweden373 Posts
On August 29 2009 01:19 Ideas wrote: I like both match-ups a lot (especially more than PvP, GOD I JUST HATE PVP), but I'd rather have non-mirrors all the time. I'd rather have ZvZs than TvTs because lower level ZvZs at least end a lot faster, where as TvTs that don't feature S or A-class players tend to drag out too long and aren't nearly as entertaining as other matchups. DO YOU NOT REMEMBER SPL 2008!??! Oh well you got a point but still the chance of getting a good and fun TvT with dropships flying all over the place and shit blowing up is atleast way higher than seing anything but lings, mutas and scourge used in ZvZ. Also the BC's man i love that moment where a fuckload of yamatos just flies all over the place :3. | ||
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blahman3344
United States2015 Posts
and it seems to have very narrow battle spots | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Doesn't really encourage gas heavy builds at all because your natural only has 1000 gas. | ||
AltaiR_
Korea (South)922 Posts
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Voor
Romania3 Posts
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
Don't worry about mirrors until 2 weeks in the season. IIRC Koreans did a poll on which matchups were their favorites? The mirrors went something like TvT > ZvZ > PvP | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On August 29 2009 00:42 Kreedit wrote: Well id rather watch watch 2 deep and strategic games that last for 20+ min than 2 repetitive snoorefests that last 10 min. But oh well its a sad fact that so many people nowadays fail to apreciate TvT for its sheer brilliance PS: some gross overgeneralization here i admit but i hate ZvZ with a fury and consider TvT to be the best mirror so yeah im biased Just go watch the last PL season. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/174_Wuthering_Heights/games/TvT | ||
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Postaljester
United States128 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
Judgement Day - Used concept and layout of 'Guillotine' - All areas are low ground - Close mineral expos, can be blocked with 2 gateways or rax - Alternate route can be opened by mining 2x 40 mineral patches Acro - Close ramp to starting position, gas expansion in-base, small base size - Wide nat choke - Large area to build additional buildings at nat area - Due to design of main, 1-base play (while expanding in-base) is possible, leading to possible new various strategies - Main's ramp is hard to do a wall - All geysers other than main and expo are worth 2000 Tornado - Split path after nat, leading to two attack routes - Easy-to-take 2nd gas expansion, macro-orientated map - All geysers other than main is worth 3000 - Center 'tornado-shaped' areas are unbuildable Silver Sky - Long path from nat (other than bridge) that leads to second gas expansion and an alternate route - Easy-to-harass nat (for air units due to wall) - Easy-to-defend 2nd gas expansion - Close nat-to-nat distance, leading to many possible early-game-orientated strategies Asgard - A 'poor' map compared to normal maps due to expansions having only 4~5 mineral fields - Many paths leads to many possible expo-harassing opportunities - Entire high-ground has been tileset-by-tileset edited such that even units with 4-5 range can harass all expansions - Entire map's mineral fields are worth 1200, geysers are all worth 3000 (except for main (5000) and nat (1000)) MatchPoint - Entire low ground is unbuildable except near expansions (and their ramps) - Fastest rush route is high ground, however if that route is unfavorable (opponent holding line, etc) then the player can make a detour (Similar to Blue Storm) - Taking high grounds will be key to controlling the map (similar to Blue Storm) - Choke near main is wallable with 1 rax 1 depot - Mineral field (16 minerals value) to help with walling MoonGlaive - 2 routes to taking another expansion after nat; one that goes through middle (large ramp) and one that doesn't (small ramp) - Taking hold of middle of map (high ground) is key to controlling the map as it allows easy harass on all the expansions RoadRunner - The many bridges are key to controlling the map - 2 bridges near nat, similar to Destination and Nostalgia - Easy-to-take 2nd gas expo, with an alternate route to get out of base to middle of map - Center of map is unbuildable | ||
RaGe
Belgium9951 Posts
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
On August 29 2009 02:07 Postaljester wrote: I am noob, but i am having a hard time picturing how protoss will FE vs zerg on a lot of the maps, such as Asgard. having a backdoor like that isn't that big of a problem. Just watch what Korean pros do and you'll be fine. Chupung-Ryeong and Tears of the Moon had backdoors and finding good FE placement wasn't that big a problem (the reason Tears was hell for PvZ was the lack of minerals) | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On August 29 2009 02:10 blabber wrote: having a backdoor like that isn't that big of a problem. Just watch what Korean pros do and you'll be fine. Chupung-Ryeong and Tears of the Moon had backdoors and finding good FE placement wasn't that big a problem (the reason Tears was hell for PvZ was the lack of minerals) Yes, but this is still a problem for Asgard, with it slow-eco format. Actually, nvm since the main has 9 minerals. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
On August 29 2009 02:16 Avidkeystamper wrote: Yes, but this is still a problem for Asgard, with it slow-eco format. Actually, nvm since the main has 9 minerals. Yeah, especially take note that all mineral patches are worth 1200 and not the standard 1500. | ||
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