• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:32
CEST 12:32
KST 19:32
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview4[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026)5Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview5
Community News
Weekly Cups (May 18-25): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League4Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double0Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results2Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win1
StarCraft 2
General
Classic Elegance Meets Modern Style in Oval Rings Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview Weekly Cups (May 18-25): MaxPax wins doubles herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 527 Hell Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 526 Rubber and Glue Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
Pros React To: ASL S21 Finals BW General Discussion Very long shot - StarCraft x A7X video Pros React to: TvT Masterclass in FlaSh vs Light vespene.gg — BW replays in browser
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Dating: How's your luck? European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development streaming software
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Customization Drives Loyalty…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2600 users

wtf starcraft...

Blogs > JadeFist
Post a Reply
1 2 3 Next All
JadeFist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1225 Posts
January 08 2010 04:18 GMT
#1
No matter what I do, I cannot grasp starcraft.

I have been on and off for about 2.5 years (mostly off). I have played all 3 races. If I follow a build order, I lose anyway, I don't know what it is.

My APM is around 120, with average redundancy and null actions. But I still suck.

I cheesed my way up to D+ as zerg (4/5pool, 9pool speed, 1 base lurkers, 3hatch mass hydra). That's the best I can do.

Any legit strategy and I'm toast. If the game goes past 5 minutes I've probably lost. I'm so fucking frustrated.

Today, I was 12hatching versus protoss and he blocked my natural with a pylon. Alt+X+X. That's how pissed I was...

If a protoss 2gates I lose ever single time. I even read the topics on how to deal with it. The problem is, if I make sunkens he runs by them into my main.

I feel like what I am doing now is counterproductive. Is there any way for me to improve without so much frustration?

This rant is coming off this game,probably the most humiliating game I have ever played. (I am the zerg)

*
Motiva
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1774 Posts
January 08 2010 04:27 GMT
#2
You are too concerned w/ the results of your matches. You don't get a cookie for winning, and in fact if you just sat down and played 500 matches, it doesn't matter if your winning or losing, your still going to be a much better player at the end.

HaruHaru
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States988 Posts
January 08 2010 04:29 GMT
#3
watch some more pro games and watch what the pro's do. then just try to copy it
Long live BroodWar!
2minutevictory
Profile Joined December 2009
United States89 Posts
January 08 2010 04:35 GMT
#4
lol. i took the time to watch the replay. if that's the most humiliating game you've ever played then you haven't played many humiliating games =/=

When i was improving my friends frequently raped me with mass broodling/mass queens/mass das/mass nukes just to laugh at me. Now that i'm awesome and better at sc i can beat them 95% of the time

as for advice against 2gate..

it's ok if he attacks your buildings, you don't engage zealots with drones XD

you need to make 1/2 sunks if you just did something like letting your hatch go down to half hp while you get a bunch of zerglings. Or when he's not anywhere close to your base instead of getting a bunch of lings get like 4 to 8 sunkens( depending on when he's attacking) and block your ramp with lings

Another thing, when you've clearly lost the game and have no chance of coming back to win you should just gg and leave don't be stubborn like i was and try to win 1 base against 10.
intrudor
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada446 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-08 04:38:43
January 08 2010 04:38 GMT
#5
the fact that Starcraft is the most competitive video game ever created could be escaping your attention. You have been on and off for about 2.5 years (mostly off). Maybe D/D+ players just practice more than you. D/D+ players are NOT necessarily horrible.. some of them are actually quite good...its just that C- users themselves are kinda good. Practice more. Play more. Win more. Talk less.
USER MIGHT BE WARNED FOR THIS COMMENT
Poriyan1
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States54 Posts
January 08 2010 04:50 GMT
#6
"I've missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty-six times, I've been trusted to take the game-winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed." -- M. Jordan.
n.Die Jaedong himself is a spoiler alert. ㅎㅎ
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
January 08 2010 04:54 GMT
#7
Don't miss ovies, make that your number 1 priority. Figure out when you're supposed to make ovies beyond the 9/9 and 17/18 marks (in single player), try to have a number ready all the way up to the 60s. Build orders are completely useless if you miss more than one ovie. (e.g. 3 hatch muta against terran, if you miss 1 ovie your lings + sunken will be late and you might just die to 1 group of mnm, missing 2 basically means useless mutas that run head straight into turrets, late hydra den, and you get rolled by mid game push) Missing 1-2 ovie hurts, missing 3+ basically cripples your entire game and you'll get rolled like that replay and will never get past the win with cheese stage.

Oh, and don't 12 hatch on python.
banana
Profile Joined January 2009
Netherlands1189 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-08 05:06:02
January 08 2010 05:02 GMT
#8
This might sound stupid since you are playing for so long and I've only starting actually playing a month ago, but my mindset changed from win and be as competative, to more humble (d-/d atm);

- play to improve, not to win or get a certain rank
- follow the one map, one strategy rule
- chose a strategy that relies on a lategame
- watch day9, there you'll understand that you should focus on establishing a midgame plan. If you have to deviate from your normal plan duo to proxy pylon, 2 gates or anything, just think to adjust and continue with your gameplan. No need for perfect counters just now.

If you can play a decent macro game, you'll be getting all the way to D+ reliably (keep in mind you only need 28% winrate to get to C- playing motw)

funsies : a hero http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/dpakrhrh.html

T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
January 08 2010 05:17 GMT
#9
On January 08 2010 13:54 Count9 wrote:
Oh, and don't 12 hatch on python.

Don't listen to this guy. He has no idea what he's talking about.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
January 08 2010 05:42 GMT
#10
Ok, first off, I'm going to tell you that one thread won't help enough. What you need is to have someone play with you, talk you through it, give you tips while you play, etc, etc. Talk to you about strategies. Just immerse yourself in the game, watch more games from the very start, play play/ob games on bnet (eh not that great but depending on your level, talking to people can help somewhat).

I'm not sure how much you know, how much effort you've put it, nor how you've tried to learn the game so I'm just going to say that you probably haven't done everything you could have done OR you haven't done it long enough.

Just keep trekking

Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-08 05:56:11
January 08 2010 05:49 GMT
#11
On January 08 2010 13:50 Poriyan1 wrote:
"I've missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty-six times, I've been trusted to take the game-winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed." -- M. Jordan.


The reason Michael Jordan succeeded was because in some random year he could tell you exactly how many game winning shots he had missed in his career. And I'm sure that it pissed him off and motivated him every time he thought about it (which was probably quite often).
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
January 08 2010 06:07 GMT
#12
Actually I've seen so many people get better at starcraft by not playing it for a while. At first I thought it was an absurd notion, but every time, when the person I know stops playing then comes back and practice a bit, they are much better than before.
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
January 08 2010 06:10 GMT
#13
Just chill and enjoy the game. Even D rank players are considered very good at RTS from a casual point of view and you can probably do pretty well on Bnet. That is assuming you're a solid D from playing standard.

Stop cheesing, play standard and have some fun.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Loser777
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
1931 Posts
January 08 2010 06:24 GMT
#14
I picked up the game in 2003... Barely can play low D TvZ.
6581
Glaucus
Profile Joined June 2009
479 Posts
January 08 2010 06:30 GMT
#15
If you 12 hatch on a 4 player map you know there's a 33% chance that your hatch will be pylon blocked in most ZvPs and there's nothing you can do about it? Why insta leave?
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
January 08 2010 06:32 GMT
#16
you are taking losses the wrong way, and don't cheese.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Not_Computer
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada2277 Posts
January 08 2010 06:32 GMT
#17
I see what you mean.

After watching the replay and reading your post, the main thing holding you back isn't in your hands but in your head - you nerves get to you when you're under pressure and you have trouble staying calm.
You're not alone though, this is a problem that a lot of players of all levels have to deal with (especially pros on televised games).

When you scouted the 2 gate (or even if you didn't, but if you felt early pressure was coming), you should have saved up 3 larvae instead of 2, so you would get 6 lings immediately instead of just 4.
Then as you go, pay attention to the number of zealots coming in and make just enough lings to hold them off until you can get your sunken up and block the ramp.

What you did instead was panic. You sent out all but one of your drones to fend off the initial 1 zealot + 2 probe rush/early pressure/harass and he simply outmicroed you and made you waste precious mining time. Then you made way too many creep colonies and attempted to morph them all into sunkens while they were being attacked. By the time they finished morphing they were dead.

Of course the downside was that he ran up your ramp into your main, but you didn't need to waste the 2 drone + 150 minerals to make those two creeps that died.

You could have spent the minerals making zerglings (you had 5 larvae unused, 150 minerals spent on creep colonies, and 98 minerals unused at that specific moment), and although yes they take time to hatch and your main is being prodded, stay calm and let it happen. Leave two to block the ramp and prevent reinforcements and take the rest and do a proper surround and get rid of the intruders.
You probably also noticed your own over-reaction when you made 3 creep colonies but realized you only needed to morph one.

The rest of the game was just your opponent being bm and messing with you. The game was over after the first 5 minutes, though maybe a slim chance of a comeback if he made a big mistake or you managed to miraculously prevent him from expanding all over the map.

Perhaps if he didn't tell you to leave by saying "re?" you would have left by yourself, but stayed behind because of his bm.

Another example of you panicking is when he sent a scout into your main to distract you. You fell for it, made two spore colonies (for just a single scout) meanwhile your front gets stormed and 1a2a3a-ed (though by now it didn't matter because the game was over anyway).

But ya, as the other posters have said before me, just relax and let a loss be a loss.
"Jaedong hyung better be ready. I'm going to order the most expensive dinner in Korea."
jello24
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada327 Posts
January 08 2010 06:35 GMT
#18
On January 08 2010 13:50 Poriyan1 wrote:
"I've missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty-six times, I've been trusted to take the game-winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed." -- M. Jordan.

The reason Michael Jordan succeeded was because he had Dennis Rodman with him. God people not giving credit where credit is due.
just lurking around...
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
January 08 2010 07:49 GMT
#19
On January 08 2010 13:18 JadeFist wrote:
I have been on and off for about 2.5 years (mostly off). I have played all 3 races. If I follow a build order, I lose anyway, I don't know what it is.


That's why you lose, 80% of improving is knowing why you lose.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
ThunderGod
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
New Zealand897 Posts
January 08 2010 07:53 GMT
#20
Why do you want so badly to be better? It is certainly a difficult game to be "good" at.
Serious question though, have a proper think about this and you will either resolve to train more effectively - e.g. studying reps/practising more - or you will just start playing for fun (like a lot of people who get frustrated at laddering).
"Certain forms of popular music nowadays, namely rap and hip hop styles, are just irritating gangsters bragging about their illegal exploits and short-sighted lifestyles." - Shiverfish ~2009
1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
GSL
09:30
2026 Season 2: Ro8 Group A
Cure vs ClemLIVE!
herO vs TBD
Classic vs TBD
IntoTheiNu 320
CranKy Ducklings SOOP53
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Ryung 311
Lowko106
Rex 18
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 3468
Jaedong 292
firebathero 275
Leta 217
actioN 176
EffOrt 169
Hyun 122
Pusan 108
ggaemo 107
Last 67
[ Show more ]
Hyuk 58
Hm[arnc] 57
Rush 55
Liquid`Ret 49
Free 46
Light 45
NaDa 43
ZerO 42
soO 40
HiyA 34
Shinee 22
Movie 21
hero 19
910 19
Sacsri 16
JYJ 13
Bale 13
Terrorterran 13
ajuk12(nOOB) 11
Noble 10
Dota 2
Gorgc4058
XaKoH 505
canceldota37
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1803
shoxiejesuss1017
byalli357
allub205
x6flipin187
Other Games
ceh9657
Pyrionflax199
Mew2King135
ZerO(Twitch)7
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick569
Counter-Strike
PGL386
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 9
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 37
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• escodisco674
• iopq 5
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis1669
Upcoming Events
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4h 28m
Replay Cast
13h 28m
GSL
22h 58m
Maru vs SHIN
Zoun vs Rogue
WardiTV Spring Champion…
1d 1h
SKillous vs Strange
Lambo vs Strange
Ryung vs Strange
Lambo vs Ryung
Ryung vs SKillous
Lambo vs SKillous
OSC
1d 8h
Replay Cast
1d 13h
Maestros of the Game
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Lambo vs SHIN
Solar vs Rogue
herO vs Clem
Maestros of the Game
3 days
[ Show More ]
IPSL
3 days
ZZZero vs WorsT
Julia vs eOnzErG
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
IPSL
4 days
Dragon vs Artosis
dxtr13 vs Hawk
BSL
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
6 days
Maestros of the Game
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 21
2026 GSL S1
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

2026 KK StarCraft Pro League
BSL Season 22
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
KK 2v2 League Season 1
YSL S3
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: King of Kings
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
Bounty Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.