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On August 06 2009 09:55 ghermination wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2009 09:51 CharlieMurphy wrote:On August 06 2009 03:48 ghermination wrote:On August 06 2009 01:55 Boblion wrote:On August 05 2009 15:49 stroggos wrote:
In my eyes, drug dealing is more harmful than child rape and murder when its on a big scale.
and btw i think ALL drugs should be legalised. Logic ! Actually i agree with him, for example look at factory farming. I hate the way they torture thsoe animals every step of their lives but that doesn't make me hate beef or pork. Just to point out, if rape or murder were as common place as drug use is you wouldn't be saying that. I have friends who smoke weed 3 times a day + and then get drunk later. And other friends who are tweakers and pill poppers all day every day. Now trade all those drugs for knives and guns make them use them every time they wanna get high. I don't want to sound like a jerk or anything but your whole point in that post was kind of muddy, i don't really know what you trying to say. Show nested quote +On August 06 2009 09:54 Brett wrote:On August 05 2009 15:39 ghermination wrote:On August 05 2009 15:31 Aegraen wrote:On August 05 2009 15:21 ghermination wrote:On August 05 2009 15:10 Aegraen wrote:
I guess I'm the only here when I say, you took the risk reap the consequences. No sympathy from me whatsoever. Perhaps a swift kick in the ass will send you straight, sometimes thats the only way for people.
To the others, just because he's from TL doesn't mean he should escape the law. HURF DURF DRUGS R BAD. There is no logical argument against the use of psychoactives. While there is a religious one, i'm not religious. Its fine if your opinion is different than mine, but please don't say things like this without giving a reason. If you don't feel like giving a reason then please go away. You broke the law, simple as that. Are you saying you didn't? It's not that i didn't break the law, but is it a bad thing that i did? Some laws are important to the function of society while others are based off of terrible preconceptions created only by religions which were meant to control people in the first place. For example, i'll admit that if i murdered a small child or something that i should go to jail, but just because i enjoy recreational drugs why does that make me a danger to society? Doing drugs is a victim-less crime, and therefore i see no reason for it to be illegal. Also what is wrong with me subtly changing the chemistry of my brain? Why should the government (or anyone) be able to control what we do with our bodies if we so choose? I'm a criminal defence lawyer and I WAS going to give you some advice until I saw this drivel. Victimless crime my fucking ass. If you become opinionated so easily than you must not be a very good criminal defense lawyer.
Your proposition ----> Here
Your deduction -----> Here
How the fuck you got there I'll never know. You're not one of my clients. I'm not under a retainer. Hence, like any other human being, I have an opinion and expressed it. And funnily enough, given my position, it's probably better informed than yours!
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On August 06 2009 10:01 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2009 09:55 ghermination wrote:On August 06 2009 09:51 CharlieMurphy wrote:On August 06 2009 03:48 ghermination wrote:On August 06 2009 01:55 Boblion wrote:On August 05 2009 15:49 stroggos wrote:
In my eyes, drug dealing is more harmful than child rape and murder when its on a big scale.
and btw i think ALL drugs should be legalised. Logic ! Actually i agree with him, for example look at factory farming. I hate the way they torture thsoe animals every step of their lives but that doesn't make me hate beef or pork. Just to point out, if rape or murder were as common place as drug use is you wouldn't be saying that. I have friends who smoke weed 3 times a day + and then get drunk later. And other friends who are tweakers and pill poppers all day every day. Now trade all those drugs for knives and guns make them use them every time they wanna get high. I don't want to sound like a jerk or anything but your whole point in that post was kind of muddy, i don't really know what you trying to say. On August 06 2009 09:54 Brett wrote:On August 05 2009 15:39 ghermination wrote:On August 05 2009 15:31 Aegraen wrote:On August 05 2009 15:21 ghermination wrote:On August 05 2009 15:10 Aegraen wrote:
I guess I'm the only here when I say, you took the risk reap the consequences. No sympathy from me whatsoever. Perhaps a swift kick in the ass will send you straight, sometimes thats the only way for people.
To the others, just because he's from TL doesn't mean he should escape the law. HURF DURF DRUGS R BAD. There is no logical argument against the use of psychoactives. While there is a religious one, i'm not religious. Its fine if your opinion is different than mine, but please don't say things like this without giving a reason. If you don't feel like giving a reason then please go away. You broke the law, simple as that. Are you saying you didn't? It's not that i didn't break the law, but is it a bad thing that i did? Some laws are important to the function of society while others are based off of terrible preconceptions created only by religions which were meant to control people in the first place. For example, i'll admit that if i murdered a small child or something that i should go to jail, but just because i enjoy recreational drugs why does that make me a danger to society? Doing drugs is a victim-less crime, and therefore i see no reason for it to be illegal. Also what is wrong with me subtly changing the chemistry of my brain? Why should the government (or anyone) be able to control what we do with our bodies if we so choose? I'm a criminal defence lawyer and I WAS going to give you some advice until I saw this drivel. Victimless crime my fucking ass. If you become opinionated so easily than you must not be a very good criminal defense lawyer. Your proposition ----> Here Your deduction -----> Here How the fuck you got there I'll never know. You're not one of my clients. I'm not under a retainer. Hence, like any other human being, I have an opinion and expressed it. And funnily enough, given my position, it's probably better informed than yours!
Your position on drugs is better informed than mine? I can tell you that i've firsthand seen or felt the effects of nearly every recreational drug that is popularly available and most of them are harmless as long as the person using them isn't an idiot. Just because you buy into propaganda doesn't make you more capable of making judgements about what was (and still is, i guess) my career. You wouldn't come to me for legal advice, and i wouldn't go to you for drug advice.
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for some people drugs are bad
for others they are good
for some they should be banned
for others they should be legalized
majority always rules
right now it happens that the people who oppose drugs form the majority
thus they rake in more votes/whatever
we follow majority law
all laws were made by majority
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i have mixed views on drugs.
i've never done them, but I think things like weed and ecstasy should be legal as they are about as safe to use as alcohol.
inhalants, crack, heroin etc... -- those are inherently dangerous IMO
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Pushing drugs is a victimless crime? Good luck explaining that to the cops. I agree withAegraen, some jail time or probation might straighten your ass out. Good luck.
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Do you actually live in Croatia?
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My ideas usually conflict with Aegraen's but in this case I agree with him. Drugs are banned because they have a high potential for addiction that ruin a persons life. Yea drinking can be addictive and destructive but the % of people who drink and become alcoholics is not nearly as high as someone doing crack or heroin who can become addicted and dependent quite easily. Weed should be legalized but I think the harder drugs should remain banned.
To people who think drugs are victimless crimes.....wow. You do realize that drugs basically fuel a lot of gangs and dealers can be really fucked up and exploitative and violent people. Yea sure your local dealer might be a guy who is just selling shit and is a nice guy or w./e but for everyone of them is a guy who is a horrible person. We don't even have to talk about the groups that are the original source for drugs. Besides the dealers themselves the people who become addicted can end up going from respectable person to criminal in a relatively short period of time.
Plus bottom line, he broke the law with his activities and personally, he is basically supporting a guy who robs a vet clinic by buying the shit he stole so he cannot be mad if he reaps the consequences.
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Dominican Republic106 Posts
On August 06 2009 07:53 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2009 05:21 SkY)CosMoS wrote:
Aegraen trolling again? lol
GL to OP. Fuck the popo! :D(although I dont advocate drug usage.) So let me get this straight. Correct me here if I'm wrong. When I disagree with people I'm trolling, however when I agree with people, I'm not. ok, I think we're on the same page. I'd rather be a troll than a sycophant.
No no, I quite agree with you as a whole, on this thread. But don't play innocent, you troll these forums, quite a lot. I'm just busting your balls 
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On August 06 2009 11:02 Slaughter)BiO wrote:
My ideas usually conflict with Aegraen's but in this case I agree with him. Drugs are banned because they have a high potential for addiction that ruin a persons life. Yea drinking can be addictive and destructive but the % of people who drink and become alcoholics is not nearly as high as someone doing crack or heroin who can become addicted and dependent quite easily. Weed should be legalized but I think the harder drugs should remain banned.
To people who think drugs are victimless crimes.....wow. You do realize that drugs basically fuel a lot of gangs and dealers can be really fucked up and exploitative and violent people. Yea sure your local dealer might be a guy who is just selling shit and is a nice guy or w./e but for everyone of them is a guy who is a horrible person. We don't even have to talk about the groups that are the original source for drugs. Besides the dealers themselves the people who become addicted can end up going from respectable person to criminal in a relatively short period of time.
Plus bottom line, he broke the law with his activities and personally, he is basically supporting a guy who robs a vet clinic by buying the shit he stole so he cannot be mad if he reaps the consequences.
1. Honestly i will never agree with banning "hard" drugs. Heroin, while addictive, is essentially quite safe, as are other opiates. I can say from experience that the people who get addicted to heroin are generally people with addictive personalities - the heroin high is far too "shallow" for most people. A lot of the more addictive drugs, which for some reason tend to be either stimulants or opiates, are like this. While they may be readily available it generally takes some sort of personal fault to get addicted to them.
2. You support the legalization of marijuana (by FAR the biggest cash crop to these nameless "gangs and dealers") and yet you say in the same breath that other drugs, which don't produce near as much income COMBINED, should be banned? That logically doesn't make sense. I don't see why you should judge the legality of a drug based only on how much it effects you. Try some phenyciclidine and then try some marijuana and tell me which one you think lead to more understanding of yourself - believe me, powerful psychedelics can be an amazing experience which simply isn't captured with just weed alone.
3. Also lol nobody likes to go to jail :<
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Osaka27178 Posts
2. You support the legalization of marijuana (by FAR the biggest cash crop to these nameless "gangs and dealers") and yet you say in the same breath that other drugs, which don't produce near as much income COMBINED, should be banned? That logically doesn't make sense. I don't see why you should judge the legality of a drug based only on how much it effects you. Try some phenyciclidine and then try some marijuana and tell me which one you think lead to more understanding of yourself - believe me, powerful psychedelics can be an amazing experience which simply isn't captured with just weed alone.
Legalization of this drug would take it out of the hands of criminals and into the hands of business + government regulations. It would weaken illegal gangs a lot.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On August 06 2009 03:40 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2009 03:04 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On August 06 2009 01:55 Boblion wrote:On August 05 2009 15:49 stroggos wrote:
In my eyes, drug dealing is more harmful than child rape and murder when its on a big scale.
and btw i think ALL drugs should be legalised. Logic ! there's nothing illogical about what he said to be sickened by the acts that take place in the trafficking of a substance and to be ambivolent about the substance itself are two entirely seperate things that can certainly exist in one person simultaneously But why he is saying that "it is harmful when its on big scale "? It will disappear if it is legalized ?
why would anyone do a bunch of illegal dangerous shit to move a legal product? do you see gangs of bandits with guns a-blazing robbing liquor stores to sell liquor to people? no, because people can go to the liquor store themselves, they don't need someone to steal it or grow it or force slave labor to refine it before they get theirs.
like, gangsters making and selling and fighting over liquor supplies ended immediately when prohibition ended in the US. i doubt that's an accurate analogy these days, but it's better than hypothetical situations
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Valhalla18444 Posts
btw me and manifesto are an illegal gang
we dont really have any plans or motives but its illegal to be a gang so we formed one
we're called WYKYD STRYKRZ
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On August 06 2009 12:13 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2009 03:40 Boblion wrote:On August 06 2009 03:04 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On August 06 2009 01:55 Boblion wrote:On August 05 2009 15:49 stroggos wrote:
In my eyes, drug dealing is more harmful than child rape and murder when its on a big scale.
and btw i think ALL drugs should be legalised. Logic ! there's nothing illogical about what he said to be sickened by the acts that take place in the trafficking of a substance and to be ambivolent about the substance itself are two entirely seperate things that can certainly exist in one person simultaneously But why he is saying that "it is harmful when its on big scale "? It will disappear if it is legalized ? why would anyone do a bunch of illegal dangerous shit to move a legal product? do you see gangs of bandits with guns a-blazing robbing liquor stores to sell liquor to people? no, because people can go to the liquor store themselves, they don't need someone to steal it or grow it or force slave labor to refine it before they get theirs. like, gangsters making and selling and fighting over liquor supplies ended immediately when prohibition ended in the US. i doubt that's an accurate analogy these days, but it's better than hypothetical situations
So then by that logic wouldn't it be best to legalize all drugs and have them be supplied by the government? This would definitely take a lot of the funding from these gangs.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On August 06 2009 12:25 ghermination wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2009 12:13 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On August 06 2009 03:40 Boblion wrote:On August 06 2009 03:04 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On August 06 2009 01:55 Boblion wrote:On August 05 2009 15:49 stroggos wrote:
In my eyes, drug dealing is more harmful than child rape and murder when its on a big scale.
and btw i think ALL drugs should be legalised. Logic ! there's nothing illogical about what he said to be sickened by the acts that take place in the trafficking of a substance and to be ambivolent about the substance itself are two entirely seperate things that can certainly exist in one person simultaneously But why he is saying that "it is harmful when its on big scale "? It will disappear if it is legalized ? why would anyone do a bunch of illegal dangerous shit to move a legal product? do you see gangs of bandits with guns a-blazing robbing liquor stores to sell liquor to people? no, because people can go to the liquor store themselves, they don't need someone to steal it or grow it or force slave labor to refine it before they get theirs. like, gangsters making and selling and fighting over liquor supplies ended immediately when prohibition ended in the US. i doubt that's an accurate analogy these days, but it's better than hypothetical situations So then by that logic wouldn't it be best to legalize all drugs and have them be supplied by the government? This would definitely take a lot of the funding from these gangs.
in terms of taking the production and trafficking out of the hands of dangerous individuals, yeah that would be by far the most effective method of doing so. that's not really something anyone disagrees with  i haven't made any mention whatsoever about which drugs are good and which drugs are bad, don't read too much into what i'm saying here
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On August 06 2009 09:32 PH wrote:
lol...drugs are victimless?
Fuck you, I've lived with drug addicts of various kinds (from your basic stoners to meth and heroin addicts) for the last three years.
A victimless crime my fucking ass.
I hope you've realized that you seriously need to avoid being around these users. I have avoided this crowd going on about 3 years and it has truly been such a life changing experience(like no shit sherlock?), I am able to enjoy my life without being involved or near the environment of nonsense drama. Just a heads up.
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So i just tried some of that ketamine. I'm pleasantly dissociated but i'm not looking to k-hole this time, and i just want to admit something: I hate people who think that "drugs r bad". I hate people who judge anything without experience in it.
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Dominican Republic106 Posts
On August 06 2009 13:54 ghermination wrote:
So i just tried some of that ketamine. I'm pleasantly dissociated but i'm not looking to k-hole this time, and i just want to admit something: I hate people who think that "drugs r bad". I hate people who judge anything without experience in it.
I dont think they judge the effect of drugs per se, but the consequences of using them. If you don't, I'd have to say you're just in denial.
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On August 06 2009 13:54 ghermination wrote:
So i just tried some of that ketamine. I'm pleasantly dissociated but i'm not looking to k-hole this time, and i just want to admit something: I hate people who think that "drugs r bad". I hate people who judge anything without experience in it.
Yeah, you tell 'em ghermination man!
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On August 06 2009 13:54 ghermination wrote:
So i just tried some of that ketamine. I'm pleasantly dissociated but i'm not looking to k-hole this time, and i just want to admit something: I hate people who think that "drugs r bad". I hate people who judge anything without experience in it.
No, I just guess all those documentaries with drug addicts who have such a shitty semblence of life and contribute absolutely nothing to society is made up.
I'm just wondering. Do you enjoy life when you are not doped up on narcotics? There is so much more to this world than pursuing the path you have chosen. In the end, its your decision, but don't play it off as if drugs are some introspective substance that cause no harm.
Oh yeah, since the drugs are so harmless, how come its so easy to OD with drugs like Crack, PCP, Meph, Cocaine, etc.
To deny drugs are harmful is quite frankly to be a completely misinformed ignorant. I shoot straight from the hip and tell it like it is, don't shoot the messenger for the message.
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On August 06 2009 09:51 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2009 03:48 ghermination wrote:On August 06 2009 01:55 Boblion wrote:On August 05 2009 15:49 stroggos wrote:
In my eyes, drug dealing is more harmful than child rape and murder when its on a big scale.
and btw i think ALL drugs should be legalised. Logic ! Actually i agree with him, for example look at factory farming. I hate the way they torture thsoe animals every step of their lives but that doesn't make me hate beef or pork. Just to point out, if rape or murder were as common place as drug use is you wouldn't be saying that. I have friends who smoke weed 3 times a day + and then get drunk later. And other friends who are tweakers and pill poppers all day every day. Now trade all those drugs for knives and guns make them use them every time they wanna get high.
You totally missed the point. Many drug dealers don't care about their users, it becomes a game of control and they can easily mess with heavy addicts since they have complete power over them. I know someone who got their face melted on a stove for not having enough money for their addiction.
I'm not saying all drug dealers are worse than murderers but many are mass murderers/indirect murderers and many more are mass life ruiners.(if that makes sense)
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