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Wow TL i have to say that right now i am more scared than i have ever been in my life. Last year i moved a lot of drugs and was a pretty big "dealer", and i still retain my connects for a lot of things. However i stopped when it started to get out of control, as well as my drug usage. Now i don't sell at all and try to keep my usage of dangerous drugs to a minimum. Lately, i've been interested in trying Ketamine and so when one of my connects called me and told me he had 3 grams of it i decided to go pick it up with two other friends.
We drove down to his house about 20 miles away and walked in, he showed us the ket and we game him money, pretty standard drug buying. Keep in mind that even now i am damned hung over after my 1800mg dose of DXM last night.
We walked out of the house just in time to see two "cruisers" block the driveway. We instantly bolted back inside, told our friend what we saw in about a second, and we all bolted out the back door. We heard the policeman open his gate and come around the side (it's really old and rusty) so we took off through his "back yard", which is actually an old field. It was about 100 feet to the trees but we just ran for about five minutes until we got to the road on the other side of them. we quickly decided to all go our separate ways. I walked about a mile to the bus stop (terribly paranoid the entire way) and came home.
I left my car at his house and i know that that the police have it. I never carry anything illegal in there, although i do have a baseball bat under the front seat.
This has honestly been one of the more terrifying days of my life and is just another reminder as to why i gave up dealing. I expect the police to show up shortly and although they don't really have any evidence they wouldn't have shown up without a warrant/reason.
So this may be goodbye for a while TL, i don't even know.
  
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wow that sucks dude. one of my friends landed in jail three weeks ago for a minor offense, it sucks.
know your rights, play it smart, and good luck....
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Driving 20 miles to do a half-assed drug deal for 3g's of ketamine is NEVER worth it. Not that I'm saying you deserved it, but hey maybe getting busted will help you kick the habit?
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Osaka27149 Posts
Might not want to leave your blog in your bookmarks if they come knocking.
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wow, I don't know what to say but good luck in not being arrested.
is there any expert lawyer here in TL.net?
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
Yeah you should probably delete your cookies and browser history. Shitty situation :\
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i dont know about where you are but usually in the US it seems like they mostly go after the dealers rather then the users, hope anyways. gl
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That's pretty intense.
Good luck man.
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Oh wow. Good luck sir.
Fuck the police.
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I hope they don't find anything and think the car was just a random coincidence or something 
Best of luck hoping that they don't find out anything, and if they do, that you have a good defense attorney to get you through the situation.
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Well you have some time to get rid of all drugrelated stuff you may have and while you behaved suspiciously and they got your car I doubt that they can really get you for anything. If they in some way manages to find a reason to arrest you I doubt you'll get a hard sentence. Granted that you have not been in trouble with the law before.
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I agree, just get rid of everything (or hide it or something) and they can't charge you unless you have evidence of possession. Then you should be fine...I think :p
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Am I the only one who thinks that this story makes a good case for not breaking laws in the first place? Sure the weed laws places are kind of stupid but still.
EDIT: And not that I want to see anybody get arrested for something silly like this. Just to clarify now that people are showing up saying they *do* want that.
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Just hope no one on the police is a TLer
Good luck, I don't know you but I don't want you to be arrested
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Don't wanna sound like a doctor phil type of guy but:
is there a way that you can report your car is missing or has been carjacked? I mean if they found it 20 miles away then you can use that as an alibi...
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good luck man, hope everything turns out.
(Is it just me or does StarCraft attract intense and/or exotic personalities?)
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I'm about to get arrested, what should I do?
( ) Hide the evidence
( ) Hide myself
( ) Call my lawyer
( ) Call my mom
(X) Post a blog about it
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...so any chance the guy was helping them out?
Would they be able to charge you with intent to distribute if that was the case?
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United States22883 Posts
This is not blog material (for the good of your own ass.) :O
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United States17042 Posts
Good Luck. You're probably fine though - although at some point you'll hafta look at what it will take to get your car back.
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My friend's been caught with minor possession like three times. Every single fucking time he showed up for court, the cop didn't, and he got off. lol.
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Korea (South)11579 Posts
rofl. Robotripping! DXM for 1800 mg is fucking stupid. you're only 200 mg away from OD and fourth plateu isn't even worth it. high third plateu is much better. Hell, fuck 1800 mg, go for sigma plateu!
But in all seriousness, why didn't you just drive away and not run away like fucking morons?
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On August 05 2009 14:00 CaucasianAsian wrote:
rofl. Robotripping! DXM for 1800 mg is fucking stupid. you're only 200 mg away from OD and fourth plateu isn't even worth it. high third plateu is much better. Hell, fuck 1800 mg, go for sigma plateu!
But in all seriousness, why didn't you just drive away and not run away like fucking morons?
We walked out of the house just in time to see two "cruisers" block the driveway.
would have had to face the cops right then, possibly a better idea then running away but at least the cops didn't see him at the scene. they obviously have his car but it might not be worth it to them to go after some small buyer. they might, however, go after him to force him into testifying against the distributor in exchange for a soft sentence.
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O shitty. Now what did you learn gherm?
+ Show Spoiler +Drugs are bad, mkay? kekeke I guess I can't really say that myself.
Good luck, and you are probably better off deleting stuff on your computer like Mani said.
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On August 05 2009 13:33 VIB wrote:
I'm about to get arrested, what should I do?
( ) Hide the evidence
( ) Hide myself
( ) Call my lawyer
( ) Call my mom
(X) Post a blog about it
What has TL done to us?! :p
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Korea (South)11579 Posts
call the cops and say you havent seen your car in over a week and you think someone stole it.
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Let's play our kickball game asap in case you get arrested?
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is awesome32274 Posts
Might want to post in the manpower thread.
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On August 05 2009 14:18 De4ngus wrote:
Let's play our kickball game asap in case you get arrested? LOL.
Good luck dude....
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MrHoon
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On August 05 2009 14:20 IntoTheWow wrote:
Might want to post in the manpower thread.
LOL HAHAHA
On August 05 2009 14:18 De4ngus wrote:
Let's play our kickball game asap in case you get arrested?
LOLOLOLOL
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On August 05 2009 14:16 krazymunky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2009 13:33 VIB wrote:
I'm about to get arrested, what should I do?
( ) Hide the evidence
( ) Hide myself
( ) Call my lawyer
( ) Call my mom
(X) Post a blog about it What has TL done to us?! :p
Hey, some one managed to do two of those last week!
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=98633
On August 05 2009 14:16 CaucasianAsian wrote:
call the cops and say you havent seen your car in over a week and you think someone stole it.
Think someone stole it?
"lawl hey guise, i kno ur rela busi at teh police staishin, but i havn't seen mai car in leik, a week. i thoguht i parkt it outside my house, but maybe not. mebye some one stool it?
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Correct me if I'm wrong... but if there's nothing to implicate you in your car, they have no proof you did anything correct? So they can't tag you with anything because they have no proof! For all they know you could have had to pee really bad and asked to use the bathroom... then thought the house was being under attack and bolted.
or you can tell the cops you are obviously innocent because you had not enough vespene gas to do anything 
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you should find the cops before they find you. and perform a citizens arrest for blocking your car in
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No reply from OP yet. He's a goner.
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In case this blog is real, am i the only one that is hoping the op gets arrested?
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On August 05 2009 14:16 CaucasianAsian wrote:
call the cops and say you havent seen your car in over a week and you think someone stole it.
that's silly, you're calling after they've found it
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I guess I'm the only here when I say, you took the risk reap the consequences. No sympathy from me whatsoever. Perhaps a swift kick in the ass will send you straight, sometimes thats the only way for people.
To the others, just because he's from TL doesn't mean he should escape the law.
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On August 05 2009 15:09 stroggos wrote:
In case this blog is real, am i the only one that is hoping the op gets arrested?
Nope, not the only one.
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On August 05 2009 15:02 Grobyc wrote:
No reply from OP yet. He's a goner.
Not quite. I got a phone call about 45 minutes ago, basically they aren't looking for me because they don't really target small time people (lol, i used to sell more than this guy) but apparently the source (whom i don't know very well) robbed a veterinary clinic with some friends to get the ketamine he was going to sell me. Being as i don't have anything on me and they know that the transaction didn't happen, they said they were willing to drop the charges as long as i appear in court. Basically i've gotten off of immediate trouble but i'm still worried because any slip ups on my part could be very bad. I don't think i'll be leaving the house for a while @_@
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On August 05 2009 13:33 VIB wrote:
I'm about to get arrested, what should I do?
( ) Hide the evidence
( ) Hide myself
( ) Call my lawyer
( ) Call my mom
(X) Post a blog about it
I love Teamliquid.
Gherm, stop your vice and pick up that mouse. There is Starcraft to play.
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On August 05 2009 15:10 Aegraen wrote:
I guess I'm the only here when I say, you took the risk reap the consequences. No sympathy from me whatsoever. Perhaps a swift kick in the ass will send you straight, sometimes thats the only way for people.
To the others, just because he's from TL doesn't mean he should escape the law.
HURF DURF DRUGS R BAD.
There is no logical argument against the use of psychoactives. While there is a religious one, i'm not religious. Its fine if your opinion is different than mine, but please don't say things like this without giving a reason. If you don't feel like giving a reason then please go away.
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On August 05 2009 15:21 ghermination wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2009 15:10 Aegraen wrote:
I guess I'm the only here when I say, you took the risk reap the consequences. No sympathy from me whatsoever. Perhaps a swift kick in the ass will send you straight, sometimes thats the only way for people.
To the others, just because he's from TL doesn't mean he should escape the law. HURF DURF DRUGS R BAD. There is no logical argument against the use of psychoactives. While there is a religious one, i'm not religious. Its fine if your opinion is different than mine, but please don't say things like this without giving a reason. If you don't feel like giving a reason then please go away.
The logical argument is probably that they're illegal and you can get arrested getting involved with them.
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On August 05 2009 15:25 foxbearcheetah wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2009 15:21 ghermination wrote:On August 05 2009 15:10 Aegraen wrote:
I guess I'm the only here when I say, you took the risk reap the consequences. No sympathy from me whatsoever. Perhaps a swift kick in the ass will send you straight, sometimes thats the only way for people.
To the others, just because he's from TL doesn't mean he should escape the law. HURF DURF DRUGS R BAD. There is no logical argument against the use of psychoactives. While there is a religious one, i'm not religious. Its fine if your opinion is different than mine, but please don't say things like this without giving a reason. If you don't feel like giving a reason then please go away. The logical argument is probably that they're illegal and you can get arrested getting involved with them.
I suppose i should have said that disregarding the law (which most people see as flawed anyway) there is no logical argument against the use of psychoactives.
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if you do go to jail, can you make your phone call to one of us so we know? 
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On August 05 2009 15:21 ghermination wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2009 15:10 Aegraen wrote:
I guess I'm the only here when I say, you took the risk reap the consequences. No sympathy from me whatsoever. Perhaps a swift kick in the ass will send you straight, sometimes thats the only way for people.
To the others, just because he's from TL doesn't mean he should escape the law. HURF DURF DRUGS R BAD. There is no logical argument against the use of psychoactives. While there is a religious one, i'm not religious. Its fine if your opinion is different than mine, but please don't say things like this without giving a reason. If you don't feel like giving a reason then please go away.
You broke the law, simple as that. Are you saying you didn't?
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What type of charges can they press if they didn't see the transaction? Without any real evidence, they can't do anything unless you've been convicted of a previous crime.
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On August 05 2009 15:31 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2009 15:21 ghermination wrote:On August 05 2009 15:10 Aegraen wrote:
I guess I'm the only here when I say, you took the risk reap the consequences. No sympathy from me whatsoever. Perhaps a swift kick in the ass will send you straight, sometimes thats the only way for people.
To the others, just because he's from TL doesn't mean he should escape the law. HURF DURF DRUGS R BAD. There is no logical argument against the use of psychoactives. While there is a religious one, i'm not religious. Its fine if your opinion is different than mine, but please don't say things like this without giving a reason. If you don't feel like giving a reason then please go away. You broke the law, simple as that. Are you saying you didn't?
It's not that i didn't break the law, but is it a bad thing that i did? Some laws are important to the function of society while others are based off of terrible preconceptions created only by religions which were meant to control people in the first place. For example, i'll admit that if i murdered a small child or something that i should go to jail, but just because i enjoy recreational drugs why does that make me a danger to society? Doing drugs is a victim-less crime, and therefore i see no reason for it to be illegal. Also what is wrong with me subtly changing the chemistry of my brain? Why should the government (or anyone) be able to control what we do with our bodies if we so choose?
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On August 05 2009 15:31 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2009 15:21 ghermination wrote:On August 05 2009 15:10 Aegraen wrote:
I guess I'm the only here when I say, you took the risk reap the consequences. No sympathy from me whatsoever. Perhaps a swift kick in the ass will send you straight, sometimes thats the only way for people.
To the others, just because he's from TL doesn't mean he should escape the law. HURF DURF DRUGS R BAD. There is no logical argument against the use of psychoactives. While there is a religious one, i'm not religious. Its fine if your opinion is different than mine, but please don't say things like this without giving a reason. If you don't feel like giving a reason then please go away. You broke the law, simple as that. Are you saying you didn't?
The people who ran the underground railroad also broke the law. It's a tenuous analogy, sure, but you could be a little less self-righteous.
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On August 05 2009 15:39 ghermination wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2009 15:31 Aegraen wrote:On August 05 2009 15:21 ghermination wrote:On August 05 2009 15:10 Aegraen wrote:
I guess I'm the only here when I say, you took the risk reap the consequences. No sympathy from me whatsoever. Perhaps a swift kick in the ass will send you straight, sometimes thats the only way for people.
To the others, just because he's from TL doesn't mean he should escape the law. HURF DURF DRUGS R BAD. There is no logical argument against the use of psychoactives. While there is a religious one, i'm not religious. Its fine if your opinion is different than mine, but please don't say things like this without giving a reason. If you don't feel like giving a reason then please go away. You broke the law, simple as that. Are you saying you didn't? It's not that i didn't break the law, but is it a bad thing that i did? Some laws are important to the function of society while others are based off of terrible preconceptions created only by religions which were meant to control people in the first place. For example, i'll admit that if i murdered a small child or something that i should go to jail, but just because i enjoy recreational drugs why does that make me a danger to society? Doing drugs is a victim-less crime, and therefore i see no reason for it to be illegal. Also what is wrong with me subtly changing the chemistry of my brain? Why should the government (or anyone) be able to control what we do with our bodies if we so choose?
So here's the thing. If you break a law and get caught, you'll get punished accordingly. Noone gives a shit about what you think about the laws. Come back when you are a president or w/e.
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On August 05 2009 15:39 ghermination wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2009 15:31 Aegraen wrote:On August 05 2009 15:21 ghermination wrote:On August 05 2009 15:10 Aegraen wrote:
I guess I'm the only here when I say, you took the risk reap the consequences. No sympathy from me whatsoever. Perhaps a swift kick in the ass will send you straight, sometimes thats the only way for people.
To the others, just because he's from TL doesn't mean he should escape the law. HURF DURF DRUGS R BAD. There is no logical argument against the use of psychoactives. While there is a religious one, i'm not religious. Its fine if your opinion is different than mine, but please don't say things like this without giving a reason. If you don't feel like giving a reason then please go away. You broke the law, simple as that. Are you saying you didn't? It's not that i didn't break the law, but is it a bad thing that i did? Some laws are important to the function of society while others are based off of terrible preconceptions created only by religions which were meant to control people in the first place. For example, i'll admit that if i murdered a small child or something that i should go to jail, but just because i enjoy recreational drugs why does that make me a danger to society? Doing drugs is a victim-less crime, and therefore i see no reason for it to be illegal. Also what is wrong with me subtly changing the chemistry of my brain? Why should the government (or anyone) be able to control what we do with our bodies if we so choose?
Yea, victim-less.
http://www.boingboing.net/2009/05/18/father-high-on-pcp-e.html
It's not for you to decide which laws are important and which aren't. You're talking to someone who thinks Marijuana should be legal. The problem which you and many drug advocates have is that you think all drugs are harmless. The fact of the matter is they aren't. Regardless what we think, the law is the law. You can't arbitrarily decide to break them because you don't think they make any sense. You are held accountable for your actions.
So, yes, I have no sympathy for you, nor any goodlucks. My only goodluck would be to the law enforcement department.
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On August 05 2009 15:27 ghermination wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2009 15:25 foxbearcheetah wrote:On August 05 2009 15:21 ghermination wrote:On August 05 2009 15:10 Aegraen wrote:
I guess I'm the only here when I say, you took the risk reap the consequences. No sympathy from me whatsoever. Perhaps a swift kick in the ass will send you straight, sometimes thats the only way for people.
To the others, just because he's from TL doesn't mean he should escape the law. HURF DURF DRUGS R BAD. There is no logical argument against the use of psychoactives. While there is a religious one, i'm not religious. Its fine if your opinion is different than mine, but please don't say things like this without giving a reason. If you don't feel like giving a reason then please go away. The logical argument is probably that they're illegal and you can get arrested getting involved with them. I suppose i should have said that disregarding the law (which most people see as flawed anyway) there is no logical argument against the use of psychoactives.
wat. You seriously think there is no logical argument against the use of heroin?
-It makes you look like IdrA combined with someone in a concentration camp.
-uncareful use gives you aids, and you can OD quite easily.
-it makes you extremely dumb, you cant think properly
-It gets harder and harder to get high from it after more usage,meaning you need more and more.
-basically it becomes the #1 priority in someones life, meaning that they will steal for it
In my eyes, drug dealing is more harmful than child rape and murder when its on a big scale.
and btw i think ALL drugs should be legalised.
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On August 05 2009 15:40 BroOd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2009 15:31 Aegraen wrote:On August 05 2009 15:21 ghermination wrote:On August 05 2009 15:10 Aegraen wrote:
I guess I'm the only here when I say, you took the risk reap the consequences. No sympathy from me whatsoever. Perhaps a swift kick in the ass will send you straight, sometimes thats the only way for people.
To the others, just because he's from TL doesn't mean he should escape the law. HURF DURF DRUGS R BAD. There is no logical argument against the use of psychoactives. While there is a religious one, i'm not religious. Its fine if your opinion is different than mine, but please don't say things like this without giving a reason. If you don't feel like giving a reason then please go away. You broke the law, simple as that. Are you saying you didn't? The people who ran the underground railroad also broke the law. It's a tenuous analogy, sure, but you could be a little less self-righteous.
I'm not being self-righteous. Did I tell him to stop doing drugs? Nope. You sound pretty pompous because I think someone who broke the law shouldn't be given high-fives and goodlucks by the community, and you are comparing it to the underground railroad? Seriously?
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The law is arbitrary, based on the opinions of humans. Who is to say the lawmakers were right?
The laws are put in place to protect people. But look at civil law. It's so screwed up. People sue others when the wind blows too hard and people pay millions at the drop of a fart.
I am not saying drugs should be made legal. I think on TL we never judge people unless we are perfect. That means no one judge this fellow.
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Austin10831 Posts
On August 05 2009 15:51 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2009 15:40 BroOd wrote:On August 05 2009 15:31 Aegraen wrote:On August 05 2009 15:21 ghermination wrote:On August 05 2009 15:10 Aegraen wrote:
I guess I'm the only here when I say, you took the risk reap the consequences. No sympathy from me whatsoever. Perhaps a swift kick in the ass will send you straight, sometimes thats the only way for people.
To the others, just because he's from TL doesn't mean he should escape the law. HURF DURF DRUGS R BAD. There is no logical argument against the use of psychoactives. While there is a religious one, i'm not religious. Its fine if your opinion is different than mine, but please don't say things like this without giving a reason. If you don't feel like giving a reason then please go away. You broke the law, simple as that. Are you saying you didn't? The people who ran the underground railroad also broke the law. It's a tenuous analogy, sure, but you could be a little less self-righteous. I'm not being self-righteous. Did I tell him to stop doing drugs? Nope. You sound pretty pompous because I think someone who broke the law shouldn't be given high-fives and goodlucks by the community, and you are comparing it to the underground railroad? Seriously?
Ugh. I guess either the point of the analogy was lost or you're being facetious with your subtle indignation. Oh well. You are being self-righteous when you suggest that a "swift kick in the ass" will "set him straight", "straight" being a derivative of your own personal interpretations of social policy.
My reference to the underground railroad was to counterpoint your statement of "you broke the law, simple as that." Sometimes breaking the law isn't just as simple as that. I never suggested he be given "high fives" for his drug dealing, I'm just suggesting that your sweeping statements aren't grounded in the reality we all live in.
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It would of been badass if you got arrested, and came back 5 years later to write a long 10 part series on your prison life.
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No, no, no.
We are obligated to uphold the law as people living in this country. Not all laws are great, not all laws are necessary, and there are probably laws that should just outright not be followed.
However, the laws still do exist, and in exchange for being able to live wherever you live, you must abide by them.
You broke the law with your drug use. Aegraen's point is that as a person who broke the law, getting fucked by it is very well within the realm of possibilities. Busting out the underground railroad as an analogy is pretty dumb, too. You're obviously trying to ennoble the OP's actions in some way if THAT'S what you come up with. If you HAVE to make an analogy, why don't you try something a little less high and mighty, like moonshine during the prohibition or something?
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On August 05 2009 16:51 PH wrote:
No, no, no.
We are obligated to uphold the law as people living in this country. Not all laws are great, not all laws are necessary, and there are probably laws that should just outright not be followed.
However, the laws still do exist, and in exchange for being able to live wherever you live, you must abide by them.
You broke the law with your drug use. Aegraen's point is that as a person who broke the law, getting fucked by it is very well within the realm of possibilities. Busting out the underground railroad as an analogy is pretty dumb, too. You're obviously trying to ennoble the OP's actions in some way if THAT'S what you come up with. If you HAVE to make an analogy, why don't you try something a little less high and mighty, like moonshine during the prohibition or something?
The point of the analogy was never about nobility. It was about the idea that everyone should simply accept the notion that they should be punished for breaking any law. It's not about empathy for this particular person's situation, but the fundamental worth of the cavalier condemnations of a person simply because of the relatively arbitrary legality of his actions.
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I don't know if I'm making all that much sense right now. I feel that I am tho.
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It's entertaining me anyways.
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get a cab to that same place and blast your buddy before little bitch snitched on you
then burn down your whip
take the remains of ketamine with you, pretty sure they would just close the case
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On August 05 2009 17:23 food wrote:
get a cab to that same place and blast your buddy before little bitch snitched on you
then burn down your whip
take the remains of ketamine with you, pretty sure they would just close the case
The worst part is that i haven't even got to use any of the ketamine either, so i don't even know how the quality is, and it is INSANELY hard to find, i think the only place it is actually popular anyway is the UK...
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Austin10831 Posts
On August 05 2009 17:23 food wrote:
get a cab to that same place and blast your buddy before little bitch snitched on you
then burn down your whip
take the remains of ketamine with you, pretty sure they would just close the case
hahahahaha
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On August 05 2009 17:56 ghermination wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2009 17:23 food wrote:
get a cab to that same place and blast your buddy before little bitch snitched on you
then burn down your whip
take the remains of ketamine with you, pretty sure they would just close the case The worst part is that i haven't even got to use any of the ketamine either, so i don't even know how the quality is, and it is INSANELY hard to find, i think the only place it is actually popular anyway is the UK...
I had K only once...such a fucking terriibad trip. I couldnt get up from bed and everything looked horribly weird. I'll stick to weed ~_~
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On August 05 2009 19:07 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2009 17:56 ghermination wrote:On August 05 2009 17:23 food wrote:
get a cab to that same place and blast your buddy before little bitch snitched on you
then burn down your whip
take the remains of ketamine with you, pretty sure they would just close the case The worst part is that i haven't even got to use any of the ketamine either, so i don't even know how the quality is, and it is INSANELY hard to find, i think the only place it is actually popular anyway is the UK... I had K only once...such a fucking terriibad trip. I couldnt get up from bed and everything looked horribly weird. I'll stick to weed ~_~
Yeah it's pretty meh in my opinion, although a lot of people seem to like it...
Anyway good luck, you technically broke the law but didn't do anything that was actually bad, you should be fine.
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hm, well if booze is legal i don't see why drugs wouldn't be too, is the difference that big ? Drunk people do waaay more stupid shit that people on drugs, and if i'm allowed to go out each morning, and buy myself a bottle of cheap whiskey to get fucked up, why wouldn't i be able to buy drugs, where is the line between the two drawn, what makes it so different ?
But buying from people who rob veterinary clinics for drugs, and having any dealings with them, is not good
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On August 05 2009 13:33 VIB wrote:
I'm about to get arrested, what should I do?
( ) Hide the evidence
( ) Hide myself
( ) Call my lawyer
( ) Call my mom
(X) Post a blog about it
Lol. I was thinking this as well.  Anyway gl on not getting busted, but if you do get busted justice got served anyway, don't feel particularly empathic tbh.
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So are you arrested yet? If not, I call shenanigans on the whole story.
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On August 05 2009 15:49 stroggos wrote:
In my eyes, drug dealing is more harmful than child rape and murder when its on a big scale.
and btw i think ALL drugs should be legalised.
Logic !
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On August 05 2009 15:13 ghermination wrote:Not quite. I got a phone call about 45 minutes ago, basically they aren't looking for me because they don't really target small time people (lol, i used to sell more than this guy) but apparently the source (whom i don't know very well) robbed a veterinary clinic with some friends to get the ketamine he was going to sell me. Being as i don't have anything on me and they know that the transaction didn't happen, they said they were willing to drop the charges as long as i appear in court. Basically i've gotten off of immediate trouble but i'm still worried because any slip ups on my part could be very bad. I don't think i'll be leaving the house for a while @_@
theyre gonna try to make you roll on the dealer. dont be stupid!
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did you a flip a coin before you made this blog by any chance?
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On August 06 2009 01:55 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2009 15:49 stroggos wrote:
In my eyes, drug dealing is more harmful than child rape and murder when its on a big scale.
and btw i think ALL drugs should be legalised. Logic !
there's nothing illogical about what he said
to be sickened by the acts that take place in the trafficking of a substance and to be ambivolent about the substance itself are two entirely seperate things that can certainly exist in one person simultaneously
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On August 06 2009 02:45 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2009 15:13 ghermination wrote:On August 05 2009 15:02 Grobyc wrote:
No reply from OP yet. He's a goner. Not quite. I got a phone call about 45 minutes ago, basically they aren't looking for me because they don't really target small time people (lol, i used to sell more than this guy) but apparently the source (whom i don't know very well) robbed a veterinary clinic with some friends to get the ketamine he was going to sell me. Being as i don't have anything on me and they know that the transaction didn't happen, they said they were willing to drop the charges as long as i appear in court. Basically i've gotten off of immediate trouble but i'm still worried because any slip ups on my part could be very bad. I don't think i'll be leaving the house for a while @_@ theyre gonna try to make you roll on the dealer. dont be stupid!
You know i had made the same conclusion myself. I think i'd rather rat out a guy desperate enough to rob a veterinary clinic than do jail time tbh. I don't have a solid court date yet but i'm pretty sure it will be rather soon.
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On August 06 2009 03:04 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2009 01:55 Boblion wrote:On August 05 2009 15:49 stroggos wrote:
In my eyes, drug dealing is more harmful than child rape and murder when its on a big scale.
and btw i think ALL drugs should be legalised. Logic ! there's nothing illogical about what he said to be sickened by the acts that take place in the trafficking of a substance and to be ambivolent about the substance itself are two entirely seperate things that can certainly exist in one person simultaneously
But why he is saying that "it is harmful when its on big scale "?
It will disappear if it is legalized ?
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On August 05 2009 15:12 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2009 15:09 stroggos wrote:
In case this blog is real, am i the only one that is hoping the op gets arrested? Nope, not the only one.
the fact that this guy gets praise and well-wishers for dealing hard drugs is pathetic
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On August 06 2009 01:55 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2009 15:49 stroggos wrote:
In my eyes, drug dealing is more harmful than child rape and murder when its on a big scale.
and btw i think ALL drugs should be legalised. Logic !
Actually i agree with him, for example look at factory farming. I hate the way they torture thsoe animals every step of their lives but that doesn't make me hate beef or pork.
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On August 06 2009 03:48 ghermination wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2009 01:55 Boblion wrote:On August 05 2009 15:49 stroggos wrote:
In my eyes, drug dealing is more harmful than child rape and murder when its on a big scale.
and btw i think ALL drugs should be legalised. Logic ! Actually i agree with him, for example look at factory farming. I hate the way they torture thsoe animals every step of their lives but that doesn't make me hate beef or pork.
And how people addicted to coke / hero etc ... will pay for their legalized shit ?
They will still steal.
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Dominican Republic106 Posts
Aegraen trolling again? lol
GL to OP. Fuck the popo! :D(although I dont advocate drug usage.)
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For all I care, use drugs all you want. Personally, I find it extremely stupid, and there's objectively very little to gain and much to lose by doing drugs. But as long as you don't harm anybody else, it's your problem alone.
But dealing drugs on a reasonably large scale and then even going on to blog about it with some sense of pride - that's too much for me. You possibly contributed to getting people addicted and may be responsible for the downfall of others. You aren't as cool as you think by far. I hope they'll get you.
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USA29055 Posts
OP calls drugs a victimless crime
Person he was buying drugs from stole them from a veterinary clinic.
OP is a fucking moron because he A. doesn't understand theft has victims / B. Will argue anything is ok as long as his mind feels pure and C. will argue "he didn't know" and wouldn't buy them had he known where they were stolen from which again just makes him a bigger dumbass.
nice.
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who the hell cares about drug dealers
On August 06 2009 03:59 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2009 03:48 ghermination wrote:On August 06 2009 01:55 Boblion wrote:On August 05 2009 15:49 stroggos wrote:
In my eyes, drug dealing is more harmful than child rape and murder when its on a big scale.
and btw i think ALL drugs should be legalised. Logic ! Actually i agree with him, for example look at factory farming. I hate the way they torture thsoe animals every step of their lives but that doesn't make me hate beef or pork. And how people addicted to coke / hero etc ... will pay for their legalized shit ? They will still steal.
If you legalize drugs it wouldn't be nearly as expensive as it is illegally, the profit drug dealers make on it is very very large.
Drug dealers exploit addicts and ruin their lives, and then act like they're actually helping them.
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On August 05 2009 13:33 VIB wrote:
I'm about to get arrested, what should I do?
( ) Hide the evidence
( ) Hide myself
( ) Call my lawyer
( ) Call my mom
(X) Post a blog about it
hahahaha
so true though
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people found guilty of possessing small amounts of drugs
Decriminalization of small amounts of drug for personal usage =/= legalization of drug trade.
Rofl.
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On August 06 2009 05:21 SkY)CosMoS wrote:
Aegraen trolling again? lol
GL to OP. Fuck the popo! :D(although I dont advocate drug usage.)
So let me get this straight. Correct me here if I'm wrong.
When I disagree with people I'm trolling, however when I agree with people, I'm not. ok, I think we're on the same page. I'd rather be a troll than a sycophant.
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Soo this blog will end: Some random TL vistor calls police. Tracks down his IP, finds out his identity. Gets arrested and doesnt delete this blog, and this stands as evidence where he admits to usage and selling / buying drugs? So basically, self owned?
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Just curious, how do people get into drugs/drug trafficking because to me it seems like worlds away.
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On August 06 2009 08:37 Faronel wrote:
Just curious, how do people get into drugs/drug trafficking because to me it seems like worlds away.
make more friends...
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not to be a douche but u had it coming
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lol...drugs are victimless?
Fuck you, I've lived with drug addicts of various kinds (from your basic stoners to meth and heroin addicts) for the last three years.
A victimless crime my fucking ass.
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On August 06 2009 09:32 PH wrote:
lol...drugs are victimless?
Fuck you, I've lived with drug addicts of various kinds (from your basic stoners to meth and heroin addicts) for the last three years.
A victimless crime my fucking ass.
It's hard for me to explain why i believe that you are wrong. I think that any drug in and of itself is fine, and although i've had friends get badly addicted i myself have only gotten close. It's scary to wake up in the morning and realize that you feel like you need a fix to keep going, but i wouldn't blame the person who sells the drugs. The permanent mental and physical effects that drugs will cause to a person seem almost random, or based on attributes that differ so entirely between some people that it is impossible to tell how they will end up. Because i can't control that, i don't see whats wrong with me to provide them with the drugs. What they do with it is out of my control.
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They don't have shit on you. Yea your car was there. So what? Doesn't mean anything. The cops can't be sure who they saw running. And even if they are it's not technically a crime to run. They never caught you doing anything illegal. You'll probably bne questioned, just don't say anything. Tell them you know your miranda rights and you will ecersize them. If they wanna do any further questioning get a lawyer.
The only questionable thing they have on you (if they searched your car) is the bat. It's somewhat illegal to be carrying that. But what you need to do is keep a glove and a ball near it so you can say you play baseball. All clear.
UNLESS, your friend was an informant in a sting or some shit. But that seems too unlikely with how you got away so easily and only 2 cruisers showed up. They were probably just serving a warrant or some shit.
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On August 06 2009 03:48 ghermination wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2009 01:55 Boblion wrote:On August 05 2009 15:49 stroggos wrote:
In my eyes, drug dealing is more harmful than child rape and murder when its on a big scale.
and btw i think ALL drugs should be legalised. Logic ! Actually i agree with him, for example look at factory farming. I hate the way they torture thsoe animals every step of their lives but that doesn't make me hate beef or pork.
Just to point out, if rape or murder were as common place as drug use is you wouldn't be saying that. I have friends who smoke weed 3 times a day + and then get drunk later. And other friends who are tweakers and pill poppers all day every day. Now trade all those drugs for knives and guns make them use them every time they wanna get high.
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On August 05 2009 15:39 ghermination wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2009 15:31 Aegraen wrote:On August 05 2009 15:21 ghermination wrote:On August 05 2009 15:10 Aegraen wrote:
I guess I'm the only here when I say, you took the risk reap the consequences. No sympathy from me whatsoever. Perhaps a swift kick in the ass will send you straight, sometimes thats the only way for people.
To the others, just because he's from TL doesn't mean he should escape the law. HURF DURF DRUGS R BAD. There is no logical argument against the use of psychoactives. While there is a religious one, i'm not religious. Its fine if your opinion is different than mine, but please don't say things like this without giving a reason. If you don't feel like giving a reason then please go away. You broke the law, simple as that. Are you saying you didn't? It's not that i didn't break the law, but is it a bad thing that i did? Some laws are important to the function of society while others are based off of terrible preconceptions created only by religions which were meant to control people in the first place. For example, i'll admit that if i murdered a small child or something that i should go to jail, but just because i enjoy recreational drugs why does that make me a danger to society? Doing drugs is a victim-less crime, and therefore i see no reason for it to be illegal. Also what is wrong with me subtly changing the chemistry of my brain? Why should the government (or anyone) be able to control what we do with our bodies if we so choose?
I'm a criminal defence lawyer and I WAS going to give you some advice until I saw this drivel.
Victimless crime my fucking ass.
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On August 06 2009 09:51 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2009 03:48 ghermination wrote:On August 06 2009 01:55 Boblion wrote:On August 05 2009 15:49 stroggos wrote:
In my eyes, drug dealing is more harmful than child rape and murder when its on a big scale.
and btw i think ALL drugs should be legalised. Logic ! Actually i agree with him, for example look at factory farming. I hate the way they torture thsoe animals every step of their lives but that doesn't make me hate beef or pork. Just to point out, if rape or murder were as common place as drug use is you wouldn't be saying that. I have friends who smoke weed 3 times a day + and then get drunk later. And other friends who are tweakers and pill poppers all day every day. Now trade all those drugs for knives and guns make them use them every time they wanna get high.
I don't want to sound like a jerk or anything but your whole point in that post was kind of muddy, i don't really know what you trying to say.
On August 06 2009 09:54 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2009 15:39 ghermination wrote:On August 05 2009 15:31 Aegraen wrote:On August 05 2009 15:21 ghermination wrote:On August 05 2009 15:10 Aegraen wrote:
I guess I'm the only here when I say, you took the risk reap the consequences. No sympathy from me whatsoever. Perhaps a swift kick in the ass will send you straight, sometimes thats the only way for people.
To the others, just because he's from TL doesn't mean he should escape the law. HURF DURF DRUGS R BAD. There is no logical argument against the use of psychoactives. While there is a religious one, i'm not religious. Its fine if your opinion is different than mine, but please don't say things like this without giving a reason. If you don't feel like giving a reason then please go away. You broke the law, simple as that. Are you saying you didn't? It's not that i didn't break the law, but is it a bad thing that i did? Some laws are important to the function of society while others are based off of terrible preconceptions created only by religions which were meant to control people in the first place. For example, i'll admit that if i murdered a small child or something that i should go to jail, but just because i enjoy recreational drugs why does that make me a danger to society? Doing drugs is a victim-less crime, and therefore i see no reason for it to be illegal. Also what is wrong with me subtly changing the chemistry of my brain? Why should the government (or anyone) be able to control what we do with our bodies if we so choose? I'm a criminal defence lawyer and I WAS going to give you some advice until I saw this drivel. Victimless crime my fucking ass.
If you become opinionated so easily than you must not be a very good criminal defense lawyer.
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On August 06 2009 09:55 ghermination wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2009 09:51 CharlieMurphy wrote:On August 06 2009 03:48 ghermination wrote:On August 06 2009 01:55 Boblion wrote:On August 05 2009 15:49 stroggos wrote:
In my eyes, drug dealing is more harmful than child rape and murder when its on a big scale.
and btw i think ALL drugs should be legalised. Logic ! Actually i agree with him, for example look at factory farming. I hate the way they torture thsoe animals every step of their lives but that doesn't make me hate beef or pork. Just to point out, if rape or murder were as common place as drug use is you wouldn't be saying that. I have friends who smoke weed 3 times a day + and then get drunk later. And other friends who are tweakers and pill poppers all day every day. Now trade all those drugs for knives and guns make them use them every time they wanna get high. I don't want to sound like a jerk or anything but your whole point in that post was kind of muddy, i don't really know what you trying to say. Show nested quote +On August 06 2009 09:54 Brett wrote:On August 05 2009 15:39 ghermination wrote:On August 05 2009 15:31 Aegraen wrote:On August 05 2009 15:21 ghermination wrote:On August 05 2009 15:10 Aegraen wrote:
I guess I'm the only here when I say, you took the risk reap the consequences. No sympathy from me whatsoever. Perhaps a swift kick in the ass will send you straight, sometimes thats the only way for people.
To the others, just because he's from TL doesn't mean he should escape the law. HURF DURF DRUGS R BAD. There is no logical argument against the use of psychoactives. While there is a religious one, i'm not religious. Its fine if your opinion is different than mine, but please don't say things like this without giving a reason. If you don't feel like giving a reason then please go away. You broke the law, simple as that. Are you saying you didn't? It's not that i didn't break the law, but is it a bad thing that i did? Some laws are important to the function of society while others are based off of terrible preconceptions created only by religions which were meant to control people in the first place. For example, i'll admit that if i murdered a small child or something that i should go to jail, but just because i enjoy recreational drugs why does that make me a danger to society? Doing drugs is a victim-less crime, and therefore i see no reason for it to be illegal. Also what is wrong with me subtly changing the chemistry of my brain? Why should the government (or anyone) be able to control what we do with our bodies if we so choose? I'm a criminal defence lawyer and I WAS going to give you some advice until I saw this drivel. Victimless crime my fucking ass. If you become opinionated so easily than you must not be a very good criminal defense lawyer.
Your proposition ----> Here
Your deduction -----> Here
How the fuck you got there I'll never know. You're not one of my clients. I'm not under a retainer. Hence, like any other human being, I have an opinion and expressed it. And funnily enough, given my position, it's probably better informed than yours!
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On August 06 2009 10:01 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2009 09:55 ghermination wrote:On August 06 2009 09:51 CharlieMurphy wrote:On August 06 2009 03:48 ghermination wrote:On August 06 2009 01:55 Boblion wrote:On August 05 2009 15:49 stroggos wrote:
In my eyes, drug dealing is more harmful than child rape and murder when its on a big scale.
and btw i think ALL drugs should be legalised. Logic ! Actually i agree with him, for example look at factory farming. I hate the way they torture thsoe animals every step of their lives but that doesn't make me hate beef or pork. Just to point out, if rape or murder were as common place as drug use is you wouldn't be saying that. I have friends who smoke weed 3 times a day + and then get drunk later. And other friends who are tweakers and pill poppers all day every day. Now trade all those drugs for knives and guns make them use them every time they wanna get high. I don't want to sound like a jerk or anything but your whole point in that post was kind of muddy, i don't really know what you trying to say. On August 06 2009 09:54 Brett wrote:On August 05 2009 15:39 ghermination wrote:On August 05 2009 15:31 Aegraen wrote:On August 05 2009 15:21 ghermination wrote:On August 05 2009 15:10 Aegraen wrote:
I guess I'm the only here when I say, you took the risk reap the consequences. No sympathy from me whatsoever. Perhaps a swift kick in the ass will send you straight, sometimes thats the only way for people.
To the others, just because he's from TL doesn't mean he should escape the law. HURF DURF DRUGS R BAD. There is no logical argument against the use of psychoactives. While there is a religious one, i'm not religious. Its fine if your opinion is different than mine, but please don't say things like this without giving a reason. If you don't feel like giving a reason then please go away. You broke the law, simple as that. Are you saying you didn't? It's not that i didn't break the law, but is it a bad thing that i did? Some laws are important to the function of society while others are based off of terrible preconceptions created only by religions which were meant to control people in the first place. For example, i'll admit that if i murdered a small child or something that i should go to jail, but just because i enjoy recreational drugs why does that make me a danger to society? Doing drugs is a victim-less crime, and therefore i see no reason for it to be illegal. Also what is wrong with me subtly changing the chemistry of my brain? Why should the government (or anyone) be able to control what we do with our bodies if we so choose? I'm a criminal defence lawyer and I WAS going to give you some advice until I saw this drivel. Victimless crime my fucking ass. If you become opinionated so easily than you must not be a very good criminal defense lawyer. Your proposition ----> Here Your deduction -----> Here How the fuck you got there I'll never know. You're not one of my clients. I'm not under a retainer. Hence, like any other human being, I have an opinion and expressed it. And funnily enough, given my position, it's probably better informed than yours!
Your position on drugs is better informed than mine? I can tell you that i've firsthand seen or felt the effects of nearly every recreational drug that is popularly available and most of them are harmless as long as the person using them isn't an idiot. Just because you buy into propaganda doesn't make you more capable of making judgements about what was (and still is, i guess) my career. You wouldn't come to me for legal advice, and i wouldn't go to you for drug advice.
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for some people drugs are bad
for others they are good
for some they should be banned
for others they should be legalized
majority always rules
right now it happens that the people who oppose drugs form the majority
thus they rake in more votes/whatever
we follow majority law
all laws were made by majority
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i have mixed views on drugs.
i've never done them, but I think things like weed and ecstasy should be legal as they are about as safe to use as alcohol.
inhalants, crack, heroin etc... -- those are inherently dangerous IMO
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Pushing drugs is a victimless crime? Good luck explaining that to the cops. I agree withAegraen, some jail time or probation might straighten your ass out. Good luck.
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Do you actually live in Croatia?
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My ideas usually conflict with Aegraen's but in this case I agree with him. Drugs are banned because they have a high potential for addiction that ruin a persons life. Yea drinking can be addictive and destructive but the % of people who drink and become alcoholics is not nearly as high as someone doing crack or heroin who can become addicted and dependent quite easily. Weed should be legalized but I think the harder drugs should remain banned.
To people who think drugs are victimless crimes.....wow. You do realize that drugs basically fuel a lot of gangs and dealers can be really fucked up and exploitative and violent people. Yea sure your local dealer might be a guy who is just selling shit and is a nice guy or w./e but for everyone of them is a guy who is a horrible person. We don't even have to talk about the groups that are the original source for drugs. Besides the dealers themselves the people who become addicted can end up going from respectable person to criminal in a relatively short period of time.
Plus bottom line, he broke the law with his activities and personally, he is basically supporting a guy who robs a vet clinic by buying the shit he stole so he cannot be mad if he reaps the consequences.
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Dominican Republic106 Posts
On August 06 2009 07:53 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2009 05:21 SkY)CosMoS wrote:
Aegraen trolling again? lol
GL to OP. Fuck the popo! :D(although I dont advocate drug usage.) So let me get this straight. Correct me here if I'm wrong. When I disagree with people I'm trolling, however when I agree with people, I'm not. ok, I think we're on the same page. I'd rather be a troll than a sycophant.
No no, I quite agree with you as a whole, on this thread. But don't play innocent, you troll these forums, quite a lot. I'm just busting your balls
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On August 06 2009 11:02 Slaughter)BiO wrote:
My ideas usually conflict with Aegraen's but in this case I agree with him. Drugs are banned because they have a high potential for addiction that ruin a persons life. Yea drinking can be addictive and destructive but the % of people who drink and become alcoholics is not nearly as high as someone doing crack or heroin who can become addicted and dependent quite easily. Weed should be legalized but I think the harder drugs should remain banned.
To people who think drugs are victimless crimes.....wow. You do realize that drugs basically fuel a lot of gangs and dealers can be really fucked up and exploitative and violent people. Yea sure your local dealer might be a guy who is just selling shit and is a nice guy or w./e but for everyone of them is a guy who is a horrible person. We don't even have to talk about the groups that are the original source for drugs. Besides the dealers themselves the people who become addicted can end up going from respectable person to criminal in a relatively short period of time.
Plus bottom line, he broke the law with his activities and personally, he is basically supporting a guy who robs a vet clinic by buying the shit he stole so he cannot be mad if he reaps the consequences.
1. Honestly i will never agree with banning "hard" drugs. Heroin, while addictive, is essentially quite safe, as are other opiates. I can say from experience that the people who get addicted to heroin are generally people with addictive personalities - the heroin high is far too "shallow" for most people. A lot of the more addictive drugs, which for some reason tend to be either stimulants or opiates, are like this. While they may be readily available it generally takes some sort of personal fault to get addicted to them.
2. You support the legalization of marijuana (by FAR the biggest cash crop to these nameless "gangs and dealers") and yet you say in the same breath that other drugs, which don't produce near as much income COMBINED, should be banned? That logically doesn't make sense. I don't see why you should judge the legality of a drug based only on how much it effects you. Try some phenyciclidine and then try some marijuana and tell me which one you think lead to more understanding of yourself - believe me, powerful psychedelics can be an amazing experience which simply isn't captured with just weed alone.
3. Also lol nobody likes to go to jail :<
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Osaka27149 Posts
2. You support the legalization of marijuana (by FAR the biggest cash crop to these nameless "gangs and dealers") and yet you say in the same breath that other drugs, which don't produce near as much income COMBINED, should be banned? That logically doesn't make sense. I don't see why you should judge the legality of a drug based only on how much it effects you. Try some phenyciclidine and then try some marijuana and tell me which one you think lead to more understanding of yourself - believe me, powerful psychedelics can be an amazing experience which simply isn't captured with just weed alone.
Legalization of this drug would take it out of the hands of criminals and into the hands of business + government regulations. It would weaken illegal gangs a lot.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On August 06 2009 03:40 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2009 03:04 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On August 06 2009 01:55 Boblion wrote:On August 05 2009 15:49 stroggos wrote:
In my eyes, drug dealing is more harmful than child rape and murder when its on a big scale.
and btw i think ALL drugs should be legalised. Logic ! there's nothing illogical about what he said to be sickened by the acts that take place in the trafficking of a substance and to be ambivolent about the substance itself are two entirely seperate things that can certainly exist in one person simultaneously But why he is saying that "it is harmful when its on big scale "? It will disappear if it is legalized ?
why would anyone do a bunch of illegal dangerous shit to move a legal product? do you see gangs of bandits with guns a-blazing robbing liquor stores to sell liquor to people? no, because people can go to the liquor store themselves, they don't need someone to steal it or grow it or force slave labor to refine it before they get theirs.
like, gangsters making and selling and fighting over liquor supplies ended immediately when prohibition ended in the US. i doubt that's an accurate analogy these days, but it's better than hypothetical situations
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Valhalla18444 Posts
btw me and manifesto are an illegal gang
we dont really have any plans or motives but its illegal to be a gang so we formed one
we're called WYKYD STRYKRZ
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On August 06 2009 12:13 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2009 03:40 Boblion wrote:On August 06 2009 03:04 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On August 06 2009 01:55 Boblion wrote:On August 05 2009 15:49 stroggos wrote:
In my eyes, drug dealing is more harmful than child rape and murder when its on a big scale.
and btw i think ALL drugs should be legalised. Logic ! there's nothing illogical about what he said to be sickened by the acts that take place in the trafficking of a substance and to be ambivolent about the substance itself are two entirely seperate things that can certainly exist in one person simultaneously But why he is saying that "it is harmful when its on big scale "? It will disappear if it is legalized ? why would anyone do a bunch of illegal dangerous shit to move a legal product? do you see gangs of bandits with guns a-blazing robbing liquor stores to sell liquor to people? no, because people can go to the liquor store themselves, they don't need someone to steal it or grow it or force slave labor to refine it before they get theirs. like, gangsters making and selling and fighting over liquor supplies ended immediately when prohibition ended in the US. i doubt that's an accurate analogy these days, but it's better than hypothetical situations
So then by that logic wouldn't it be best to legalize all drugs and have them be supplied by the government? This would definitely take a lot of the funding from these gangs.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On August 06 2009 12:25 ghermination wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2009 12:13 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On August 06 2009 03:40 Boblion wrote:On August 06 2009 03:04 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On August 06 2009 01:55 Boblion wrote:On August 05 2009 15:49 stroggos wrote:
In my eyes, drug dealing is more harmful than child rape and murder when its on a big scale.
and btw i think ALL drugs should be legalised. Logic ! there's nothing illogical about what he said to be sickened by the acts that take place in the trafficking of a substance and to be ambivolent about the substance itself are two entirely seperate things that can certainly exist in one person simultaneously But why he is saying that "it is harmful when its on big scale "? It will disappear if it is legalized ? why would anyone do a bunch of illegal dangerous shit to move a legal product? do you see gangs of bandits with guns a-blazing robbing liquor stores to sell liquor to people? no, because people can go to the liquor store themselves, they don't need someone to steal it or grow it or force slave labor to refine it before they get theirs. like, gangsters making and selling and fighting over liquor supplies ended immediately when prohibition ended in the US. i doubt that's an accurate analogy these days, but it's better than hypothetical situations So then by that logic wouldn't it be best to legalize all drugs and have them be supplied by the government? This would definitely take a lot of the funding from these gangs.
in terms of taking the production and trafficking out of the hands of dangerous individuals, yeah that would be by far the most effective method of doing so. that's not really something anyone disagrees with i haven't made any mention whatsoever about which drugs are good and which drugs are bad, don't read too much into what i'm saying here
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On August 06 2009 09:32 PH wrote:
lol...drugs are victimless?
Fuck you, I've lived with drug addicts of various kinds (from your basic stoners to meth and heroin addicts) for the last three years.
A victimless crime my fucking ass.
I hope you've realized that you seriously need to avoid being around these users. I have avoided this crowd going on about 3 years and it has truly been such a life changing experience(like no shit sherlock?), I am able to enjoy my life without being involved or near the environment of nonsense drama. Just a heads up.
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So i just tried some of that ketamine. I'm pleasantly dissociated but i'm not looking to k-hole this time, and i just want to admit something: I hate people who think that "drugs r bad". I hate people who judge anything without experience in it.
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Dominican Republic106 Posts
On August 06 2009 13:54 ghermination wrote:
So i just tried some of that ketamine. I'm pleasantly dissociated but i'm not looking to k-hole this time, and i just want to admit something: I hate people who think that "drugs r bad". I hate people who judge anything without experience in it.
I dont think they judge the effect of drugs per se, but the consequences of using them. If you don't, I'd have to say you're just in denial.
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On August 06 2009 13:54 ghermination wrote:
So i just tried some of that ketamine. I'm pleasantly dissociated but i'm not looking to k-hole this time, and i just want to admit something: I hate people who think that "drugs r bad". I hate people who judge anything without experience in it.
Yeah, you tell 'em ghermination man!
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On August 06 2009 13:54 ghermination wrote:
So i just tried some of that ketamine. I'm pleasantly dissociated but i'm not looking to k-hole this time, and i just want to admit something: I hate people who think that "drugs r bad". I hate people who judge anything without experience in it.
No, I just guess all those documentaries with drug addicts who have such a shitty semblence of life and contribute absolutely nothing to society is made up.
I'm just wondering. Do you enjoy life when you are not doped up on narcotics? There is so much more to this world than pursuing the path you have chosen. In the end, its your decision, but don't play it off as if drugs are some introspective substance that cause no harm.
Oh yeah, since the drugs are so harmless, how come its so easy to OD with drugs like Crack, PCP, Meph, Cocaine, etc.
To deny drugs are harmful is quite frankly to be a completely misinformed ignorant. I shoot straight from the hip and tell it like it is, don't shoot the messenger for the message.
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On August 06 2009 09:51 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2009 03:48 ghermination wrote:On August 06 2009 01:55 Boblion wrote:On August 05 2009 15:49 stroggos wrote:
In my eyes, drug dealing is more harmful than child rape and murder when its on a big scale.
and btw i think ALL drugs should be legalised. Logic ! Actually i agree with him, for example look at factory farming. I hate the way they torture thsoe animals every step of their lives but that doesn't make me hate beef or pork. Just to point out, if rape or murder were as common place as drug use is you wouldn't be saying that. I have friends who smoke weed 3 times a day + and then get drunk later. And other friends who are tweakers and pill poppers all day every day. Now trade all those drugs for knives and guns make them use them every time they wanna get high.
You totally missed the point. Many drug dealers don't care about their users, it becomes a game of control and they can easily mess with heavy addicts since they have complete power over them. I know someone who got their face melted on a stove for not having enough money for their addiction.
I'm not saying all drug dealers are worse than murderers but many are mass murderers/indirect murderers and many more are mass life ruiners.(if that makes sense)
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On August 06 2009 14:36 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2009 13:54 ghermination wrote:
So i just tried some of that ketamine. I'm pleasantly dissociated but i'm not looking to k-hole this time, and i just want to admit something: I hate people who think that "drugs r bad". I hate people who judge anything without experience in it. No, I just guess all those documentaries with drug addicts who have such a shitty semblence of life and contribute absolutely nothing to society is made up. I'm just wondering. Do you enjoy life when you are not doped up on narcotics? There is so much more to this world than pursuing the path you have chosen. In the end, its your decision, but don't play it off as if drugs are some introspective substance that cause no harm. Oh yeah, since the drugs are so harmless, how come its so easy to OD with drugs like Crack, PCP, Meph, Cocaine, etc. To deny drugs are harmful is quite frankly to be a completely misinformed ignorant. I shoot straight from the hip and tell it like it is, don't shoot the messenger for the message.
LOL you just give me the idea that you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Of all the drugs you listed, the only one that anyone but an idiot would be able to OD on would be Meth. With crack you would have to smoke a LOT, and i mean probably more than anyone into crack can afford at one time. With cocaine you would have to either be snorting pure or just have a death wish, as you can clearly see just with common sense how much is too much. Anyone serious enough to get into PCP has a pretty good idea of how much they should take. Also i like my life, i'm working my way through college, have grown closer with my family lately, and may be getting engaged soon. Obviously you don't understand that just like most other things in life, drugs are fine in moderation.
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I know long time drug users who say "fuck no" to things like cocaine and heroin...
so maybe they aren't too safe.....i'm probably wrong though...
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Hey I just thought of something. Are those in the US who looked at this thread now accessories to the crime by not telling the police? Obstruction of justice or something, withholding of knowledge or a crime?
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On August 06 2009 15:59 sArite_nite wrote:
Hey I just thought of something. Are those in the US who looked at this thread now accessories to the crime by not telling the police? Obstruction of justice or something, withholding of knowledge or a crime?
Considering i don't live in the U.S. and i think there are four or five other Croatians who post regularly on this site, no i don't think they are. Although i've never given incredibly clear details on where i live, basically i lived here till i was 7 -> moved to the US, moved back when i was 18, became a dealer in that time, and now i'm nearly* 22.
On August 06 2009 15:29 eMbrace wrote:
I know long time drug users who say "fuck no" to things like cocaine and heroin...
so maybe they aren't too safe.....i'm probably wrong though...
It seems that there are a lot of misunderstandings about the actual "strength" (in terms of what will fuck you up the most) of a lot of drugs. For example, cocaine is a stimulant but it really isn't that powerful as far as stimulants go, whereas heroin is a pretty damned strong opiate, eclipsed really only by fentanyl in what is available to the public.
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On August 06 2009 06:27 Frits wrote:who the hell cares about drug dealers Show nested quote +On August 06 2009 03:59 Boblion wrote:On August 06 2009 03:48 ghermination wrote:On August 06 2009 01:55 Boblion wrote:On August 05 2009 15:49 stroggos wrote:
In my eyes, drug dealing is more harmful than child rape and murder when its on a big scale.
and btw i think ALL drugs should be legalised. Logic ! Actually i agree with him, for example look at factory farming. I hate the way they torture thsoe animals every step of their lives but that doesn't make me hate beef or pork. And how people addicted to coke / hero etc ... will pay for their legalized shit ? They will still steal. If you legalize drugs it wouldn't be nearly as expensive as it is illegally, the profit drug dealers make on it is very very large. Drug dealers exploit addicts and ruin their lives, and then act like they're actually helping them.
On August 06 2009 12:13 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2009 03:40 Boblion wrote:On August 06 2009 03:04 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On August 06 2009 01:55 Boblion wrote:On August 05 2009 15:49 stroggos wrote:
In my eyes, drug dealing is more harmful than child rape and murder when its on a big scale.
and btw i think ALL drugs should be legalised. Logic ! there's nothing illogical about what he said to be sickened by the acts that take place in the trafficking of a substance and to be ambivolent about the substance itself are two entirely seperate things that can certainly exist in one person simultaneously But why he is saying that "it is harmful when its on big scale "? It will disappear if it is legalized ? why would anyone do a bunch of illegal dangerous shit to move a legal product? do you see gangs of bandits with guns a-blazing robbing liquor stores to sell liquor to people? no, because people can go to the liquor store themselves, they don't need someone to steal it or grow it or force slave labor to refine it before they get theirs. like, gangsters making and selling and fighting over liquor supplies ended immediately when prohibition ended in the US. i doubt that's an accurate analogy these days, but it's better than hypothetical situations
I understand your point and i somewhat agree with you but mostly for marijuana because this can't really destroy your health and make you as dangerous than drugs like hero or coke. The only problem would be driving under influence ( but we can always test people like for alcohol ).
If you legalize this shit it also gets more accessible and instead of smoking joints the kids will try hero to be cool.
You are talking like if alcohol = marijuana = hero = coke = ... like if all those substances were the same.
They aren't.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On August 07 2009 00:09 Boblion wrote:
You are talking like if alcohol = marijuana = hero = coke = ... like if all those substances were the same.
They aren't.
actually i said absolutely nothing that suggested this. i just stated that legalizing an illegal substance does in fact collapse illegal activity centered around the manufacturing & trafficking of that substance
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thedeadhaji
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dude you need to get rid of your computer somehow
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Valhalla18444 Posts
sell it for more ketamine duh
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On August 07 2009 00:35 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
sell it for more ketamine duh
FakeSteve is growing on me
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Norway28665 Posts
I think we have a moral obligation to deliberately break laws that are harmful to society as they will not be changed if people keep obeying them
I also think drug laws are to a large degree downright retarded in most of the western world
However I also think that dealing hard drugs cannot be morally defended through the claim that it is a victimless crime, because it is anything but this, so whatever, some sort of punishment sounds reasonable for that
another however however, the american legal system is so fucked up anyone not deliberately attempting to hurt others prolly deserves to escape it.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
eri, you and i could have some great times together
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On August 09 2009 04:51 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I think we have a moral obligation to deliberately break laws that are harmful to society as they will not be changed if people keep obeying them
I also think drug laws are to a large degree downright retarded in most of the western world
I don't get this philosophy. Doesnt it require you to assume that your perspective is somehow superior to that of those who made the law? What do you know about society? Isnt your exposure to the pros and cons of the issue somewhat biased and certainly not a scholarly, academic pursuit?
I know someone who smokes pot because she thinks it should not be illegal, steals because she does not believe people should have to pay for food, etc. Where do you draw the line that separates you from the people who lynch people because they think that the laws protecting those people are harmful to society?
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Norway28665 Posts
On August 09 2009 05:17 duckett wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2009 04:51 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I think we have a moral obligation to deliberately break laws that are harmful to society as they will not be changed if people keep obeying them
I also think drug laws are to a large degree downright retarded in most of the western world
I don't get this philosophy. Doesnt it require you to assume that your perspective is somehow superior to that of those who made the law? What do you know about society? Isnt your exposure to the pros and cons of the issue somewhat biased and certainly not a scholarly, academic pursuit? I know someone who smokes pot because she thinks it should not be illegal, steals because she does not believe people should have to pay for food, etc. Where do you draw the line that separates you from the people who lynch people because they think that the laws protecting those people are harmful to society?
you make an effort to think about stuff yourself.. to simplify (I don't really have time to fully indulge in this right now), the moral quality of an action can be judged based on this :
what happens if everyone did it?
if you contemplate different actions with that as your point of departure, then it becomes quite easy to create a well functioning moral compass of your own.. I mean life is very complex and you will always face situations that can't be answered easily and sometimes you might have to do something wrong to do something right or something wrong might be the consequence of doing something you perceive as right
but for general questions of law :
what happens if everyone steals? nobody gets to feel that their shit is safe, chaos emerges, society is worse off. thus, don't steal.
what happens if everyone who is so poor that they can't afford food steals food? ideally few people will be in such a situation and if truly many are, then society might be pretty fucked in the first place, but in a situation where few people are, then this leads to their survival at a relatively low price for someone else. thus stealing food when you will otherwise starve to death is okay, at least unless someone else starves to death as a consequence
what happens if everyone kills people at a whim? people start dying, society is harmed, you are harmed. thus killing people is wrong.
what happens if everyone who wants to smoke weed smokes weed? same thing that happens in most western countries as the law here is not a deterrent. basically nothing monstrously wrong. you might expand your mental horizon in a beneficial way or maybe in a bad way, but there's nothing obviously immoral about it..
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On August 09 2009 04:51 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I think we have a moral obligation to deliberately break laws that are harmful to society as they will not be changed if people keep obeying them
I also think drug laws are to a large degree downright retarded in most of the western world
However I also think that dealing hard drugs cannot be morally defended through the claim that it is a victimless crime, because it is anything but this, so whatever, some sort of punishment sounds reasonable for that
another however however, the american legal system is so fucked up anyone not deliberately attempting to hurt others prolly deserves to escape it.
I was reading through this 7 page long thread and getting ready to make my reply only to see that I was a bit too late, this is verbatim exactly my thoughts
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Just to expand on your last point, do you know the statistics for marginal change in weed usage due to illegalization? Do you know the marginal contribution to academic decay this change would cause and what marginal costs to human standard of living due to wasted potential that this decay would result in? Do you know that most of the drugs that may "expand mental horizons" also encourage the development of existing mental diseases and what cost to society that that causes? Do you understand what the neuro-physiological effects of weed are, or did you just hear that smoking it is not that big a deal? Finally, define "monsterously wrong."
If I was going to make decisions that affect others and society, I would not refer to what the product of my outdated evolutionary genetic coding and my limited personal experience find to be "monstrous" as the only things I don't allow. What remains, then, is that we don't rock the boat unless we know there aren't sharks in the water. American socialization often runs counter to this, and I find that rather disturbing.
The underlying problem with your philosophy (to me) remains that you assume that your judgment of "what happens if everyone did it?" is accurate, a view which is flawed as in the example I mentioned above.
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Norway28665 Posts
less people smoke in holland than in usa and since legalization the average heroin addict has become like 15 years older (indicating that creating a clear separation between hard and soft drugs seriously hampers recruitment into hard-drug environments)
either way though like I said, my previous post was a (gross) simplification, obviously if you want to go on accord with the law (which in western countries will always have some form of justification, even if I disagree with it) you need to do some serious contemplation before doing so and whatever arguement you form needs a lot more thought put into it than what I can write in two paragraphs. smoking hash / weed is actually the only area where I have 0 qualms about breaking the law as a general rule (or to be more precise, while I don't use any other drugs the legal status of them has 0 impact on this decision) - and it's also a subject I have literally spent hundreds of hours contemplating. I think western law is generally sound - but I think always blindly following the law (which is the alternative to being willing to disregard it based on personal contemplation) is also equal to for example, admitting that you would accept what happened in germany prior to and during WW2..
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On August 09 2009 06:47 duckett wrote:
Just to expand on your last point, do you know the statistics for marginal change in weed usage due to illegalization? Do you know the marginal contribution to academic decay this change would cause and what marginal costs to human standard of living due to wasted potential that this decay would result in? Do you know that most of the drugs that may "expand mental horizons" also encourage the development of existing mental diseases and what cost to society that that causes? Do you understand what the neuro-physiological effects of weed are, or did you just hear that smoking it is not that big a deal? Finally, define "monsterously wrong."
If I was going to make decisions that affect others and society, I would not refer to what the product of my outdated evolutionary genetic coding and my limited personal experience find to be "monstrous" as the only things I don't allow. What remains, then, is that we don't rock the boat unless we know there aren't sharks in the water. American socialization often runs counter to this, and I find that rather disturbing.
The underlying problem with your philosophy (to me) remains that you assume that your judgment of "what happens if everyone did it?" is accurate, a view which is flawed as in the example I mentioned above.
I think while focusing why drugs should be avoided you missed something. Drugs are the last thing to blame when someone dies or gets his life broken.
Why there drugs available to people after decades of fighting against them, teaching kids why they are so life-breaking using interviews with people who actually had their lifes broken?
Because there is need to use something to get over things and there are causes that make people interested in drugs...
I mean it's question of teaching people at appropriately young age of other ways to fight stress, boredom, appeasing curiosity OR at least what things should be avoided at all costs while trying (like not using 1needle with other people, but that's hardcore drugs anyways)
No one with common sense wants get killed. If someone doesn't care that means there are causes that society should fight against.
I think I read about 1 governor of New York who literally took young people of the streets (he was making clubs and something) and drastically limited number of crimes done by those people in following years.
There should be more focus on things like that, not fighting mainly with consequences... they will pretty much die themselves if causes are taken care of.
I smoked weed today for the 1st time in much more than 2 years only because someone actually gave it to me as reward for taking care of their house, it was maybe 5th time.
I don't even plan on getting more of it, I don't think it's cost-effective for me, alcohol and cigarettes are enough for me not to even try anything else.
On August 09 2009 08:00 Liquid`Drone wrote:
less people smoke in holland than in usa and since legalization the average heroin addict has become like 15 years older (indicating that creating a clear separation between hard and soft drugs seriously hampers recruitment into hard-drug environments)
either way though like I said, my previous post was a (gross) simplification, obviously if you want to go on accord with the law (which in western countries will always have some form of justification, even if I disagree with it) you need to do some serious contemplation before doing so and whatever arguement you form needs a lot more thought put into it than what I can write in two paragraphs. smoking hash / weed is actually the only area where I have 0 qualms about breaking the law as a general rule (or to be more precise, while I don't use any other drugs the legal status of them has 0 impact on this decision) - and it's also a subject I have literally spent hundreds of hours contemplating. I think western law is generally sound - but I think always blindly following the law (which is the alternative to being willing to disregard it based on personal contemplation) is also equal to for example, admitting that you would accept what happened in germany prior to and during WW2..
Liquid`Drone after reading your posts I have a feeling getting "forbidden fruit" is what drugs are really about for you...?
I wouldn't compare killing Jews and other nations with selling drugs 
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I never said drugs should be avoided in those words, and I don't know where you got my concern for the "broken people."
My argument against Liquid Drone was based on the concept of deliberately breaking laws because you feel they are unjust.ieTo go into Nazi territory (it is a relevant historical example, after all, of social policy going wrong on a large scale because of effective but almost universally reprehensible leadership)...You want to be in a place right now where your philosophy/decision making strategy ("personal contemplation") would lead you to not kill Jews. However, you fail to make the transformations of character necessary to put yourself in the context of the example: to ask yourself "would I kill a Jew in 1940s Germany" you have to assume that you are first in 1940s Germany. If you were, your process of "personal contemplation" (the combination of, as I stated, outdated evolutionary goals genetically encoded into your character, and the limited personal experience you possess (which may or may not include inspiring experiences with those same figures who polarized millions of other German citizens)) might be less morally palatable.
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On August 09 2009 09:05 duckett wrote:
I never said drugs should be avoided in those words, and I don't know where you got my concern for the "broken people."
My argument against Liquid Drone was based on the concept of deliberately breaking laws because you feel they are unjust.ieTo go into Nazi territory (it is a relevant historical example, after all, of social policy going wrong on a large scale because of effective but almost universally reprehensible leadership)...You want to be in a place right now where your philosophy/decision making strategy ("personal contemplation") would lead you to not kill Jews. However, you fail to make the transformations of character necessary to put yourself in the context of the example: to ask yourself "would I kill a Jew in 1940s Germany" you have to assume that you are first in 1940s Germany. If you were, your process of "personal contemplation" (the combination of, as I stated, outdated evolutionary goals genetically encoded into your character, and the limited personal experience you possess (which may or may not include inspiring experiences with those same figures who polarized millions of other German citizens)) might be less morally palatable.
That's a very extreme analogy and I don't think it should be used for the current argument.
The argument was that certain laws regarding certain drugs are unjust.
For example, serving years in prison for being caught with marijuana and/or ecstasy pills (two drugs that are about as harmful as alcohol).
The law doesn't always make sense.
Wish I could find this article about a young woman caught with some pot and ecstasy (for personal use, as the amount was not enough to label her a dealer) who was told she could either go to jail or wear a wire to catch some drug dealer.
She chose to do the undercover assignment -- and was shot and killed doing it.
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People who suggest that drugs should become legalised and by such actions you effectively take the nasty dealers and stuff off the street since people could buy the product from the government are forgetting one thing though, just because you remove their product doesn't mean you will remove those kind of people too :s
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On August 09 2009 11:40 swat wrote:
People who suggest that drugs should become legalised and by such actions you effectively take the nasty dealers and stuff off the street since people could buy the product from the government are forgetting one thing though, just because you remove their product doesn't mean you will remove those kind of people too :s
0_o
You will because they will have nothing to sell.
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There will always be bad people in the drug business. One reason why it will not be legalized and sold by the government is because then they would have to be the buyers and sending money to the assholes in other countries who make it. Weed they could do though as they can get it growing here. Removing the dealers (some who are very bad people some are fine) wouldn't remove the addicts who turn out to be bad/ruin life, which doesn't really happen with weed.
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On August 09 2009 11:53 Slaughter)BiO wrote:
There will always be bad people in the drug business. One reason why it will not be legalized and sold by the government is because then they would have to be the buyers and sending money to the assholes in other countries who make it. Weed they could do though as they can get it growing here. Removing the dealers (some who are very bad people some are fine) wouldn't remove the addicts who turn out to be bad/ruin life, which doesn't really happen with weed.
I'm not expert on issues like this, but there's no reason we couldn't grow cannabis within the country. Taxing the product is the half the reason California is considering legalizing weed now -- it's big money for the state.
And I don't think any reasonable person would say we should legalize hard drugs like crack or heroin.
But if we can sell cigarettes and alcohol -- we can sell things like weed and ecstasy.
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