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please worry about something else man. i mean, come on. everyone's got so much to worry about in their own lives. do you really need to be worrying about international war with north korea? is this worth running around town screaming out loud about? sometime i feel like south park just isnt getting though to people. anger, fear, aggression. these are the tools of the dark side yo. you are spoon fed fearhype and you suck it up like it's cheese
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North Korea would be foolish to start a war. They have zero chance of winning (i.e. S. Korea, Japan, and the US has more than enough military power to defeat them), and won't get anything out of it. I doubt it'll happen.
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if i have family there, i have a goddamn reason to worry.
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On May 28 2009 04:22 theron[wdt] wrote:
if i have family there, i have a goddamn reason to worry.
well, then post this blog on obama's website. or start a donation fund to smuggle them to california. i dont wanna be insensitive in your time of uncertainty. but, really... turn off your TV
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i dont has a tv. i reposted because the first one sounded like it was a personal problem (OCD).
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On May 28 2009 04:24 omninmo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2009 04:22 theron[wdt] wrote:
if i have family there, i have a goddamn reason to worry. well, then post this blog on obama's website. or start a donation fund to smuggle them to california. i dont wanna be insensitive in your time of uncertainty. but, really... turn off your TV
What the fuck would turning off his tv do? He got it from online. And worrying about war is perfectly legitimate.
Also, wouldn't north korea destroy south korea pretty damn easily? I believe they have something like thirty-five hundred missles just facing Seoul alone, right?
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Yeah. The media has brought up this subject so many times that i've become callous to it. N. Korea is a poverty stricken nation. Their citizens hate their own countries. And they need necessities from foreign aid to overcome the fact that their economy sucks ass. They see that the best way to do that is by using their military strength (I think if they didn't spend ~30% of their budget on military they'd probably be doing almost as good as S. Korea) and garnering attention so that they can get some free food.
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On May 28 2009 04:27 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2009 04:24 omninmo wrote:On May 28 2009 04:22 theron[wdt] wrote:
if i have family there, i have a goddamn reason to worry. well, then post this blog on obama's website. or start a donation fund to smuggle them to california. i dont wanna be insensitive in your time of uncertainty. but, really... turn off your TV What the fuck would turning off his tv do? He got it from online. And worrying about war is perfectly legitimate. Also, wouldn't north korea destroy south korea pretty damn easily? I believe they have something like thirty-five hundred missles just facing Seoul alone, right?
probably because his overseas family is in china, which im pretty sure would never be in any immediate danger
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Technically, it would be a continuation of the Korean War.
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If they declare war, S Korea should come to Canada, and North should get nuked.
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North Korea can't even feed its citizens, are people actually worried about them doing something
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On May 28 2009 04:29 theron[wdt] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2009 04:27 PanN wrote:On May 28 2009 04:24 omninmo wrote:On May 28 2009 04:22 theron[wdt] wrote:
if i have family there, i have a goddamn reason to worry. well, then post this blog on obama's website. or start a donation fund to smuggle them to california. i dont wanna be insensitive in your time of uncertainty. but, really... turn off your TV What the fuck would turning off his tv do? He got it from online. And worrying about war is perfectly legitimate. Also, wouldn't north korea destroy south korea pretty damn easily? I believe they have something like thirty-five hundred missles just facing Seoul alone, right? probably because his overseas family is in china, which im pretty sure would never be in any immediate danger
rofl, im white. i just live here cuz its fun and i spent a large portion of my life learning chinese cuz i thought it would be fun! im trying to help you man.
dont listen to these: + Show Spoiler +.
call your family and tell them its all gonna be ok, even if the newz with a Z tells you WAR is coming. if there is a war. chances are your family well befall unavoidable tragedy. but, stirring up hype it only gonna give your auntie a heartattack
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On May 28 2009 04:24 omninmo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2009 04:22 theron[wdt] wrote:
if i have family there, i have a goddamn reason to worry. well, then post this blog on obama's website. or start a donation fund to smuggle them to california. i dont wanna be insensitive in your time of uncertainty. but, really... turn off your TV
????
That is a really retarded comment.
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On May 28 2009 04:42 omninmo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2009 04:29 theron[wdt] wrote:On May 28 2009 04:27 PanN wrote:On May 28 2009 04:24 omninmo wrote:On May 28 2009 04:22 theron[wdt] wrote:
if i have family there, i have a goddamn reason to worry. well, then post this blog on obama's website. or start a donation fund to smuggle them to california. i dont wanna be insensitive in your time of uncertainty. but, really... turn off your TV What the fuck would turning off his tv do? He got it from online. And worrying about war is perfectly legitimate. Also, wouldn't north korea destroy south korea pretty damn easily? I believe they have something like thirty-five hundred missles just facing Seoul alone, right? probably because his overseas family is in china, which im pretty sure would never be in any immediate danger rofl, im white. i just live here cuz its fun and i spent a large portion of my life learning chinese cuz i thought it would be fun! while your reading fear mongering which sells advertisements, im living abroad and actually seeing what life is like in a "communist" nation.
then i stand corrected my good sir. just let me worry about my family and friends
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On May 28 2009 04:40 heyoka wrote:
North Korea can't even feed its citizens, are people actually worried about them doing something
I mean they still have a deadly arsenal of chemical weapons and ballistic weapons (ballistics != nuclear), best example would be the Scud missiles of the Persian Gulf War. These weapons aren't exactly easy to defend against and there isn't a good deterrent against them, don't bring up AEGIS and those systems, that is not their primary intended role.
You can guess where they'll lob these things, S. Korea and Japan as well as other US interests in their reach in Asia. Then to disrupt the Asian economy and trade isn't exactly making the other Asian nations with no direct political interest feel safe or happy about it.
Like honestly, if all of the ASEAN + others decided tomorrow they jump the gun and gang N. Korea for all of its utter bullshit for the last few decades by invading or bombing their military institutions, it wouldn't surprise me one bit, cause to be honest, the N. Korean current regime isn't going to change its agenda or course of action, unless the next generation is more progressive (think more along the lines of what Communist China did with Mao after his death), that situation is going to just remain the same at best and deteriorate at worst.
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You're a fucking idiot omninmo. N Korean government is beyond retarded. The ability to launch kill people and feed citizens sadly aren't linked. It's just an extra pain in the ass waste of lives. Boo.
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On May 28 2009 04:22 StarN wrote:
North Korea would be foolish to start a war. They have zero chance of winning (i.e. S. Korea, Japan, and the US has more than enough military power to defeat them), and won't get anything out of it. I doubt it'll happen.
I don't know about that. I think North Korea has the largest military in the world. Pretty much their entire GDP is devoted to the military. Another Korean War could degenerate into another Vietnam/Iraq.
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On May 28 2009 05:42 XinRan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2009 04:22 StarN wrote:
North Korea would be foolish to start a war. They have zero chance of winning (i.e. S. Korea, Japan, and the US has more than enough military power to defeat them), and won't get anything out of it. I doubt it'll happen. I don't know about that. I think North Korea has the largest military in the world. Pretty much their entire GDP is devoted to the military. Another Korean War could degenerate into another Vietnam/Iraq.
lol?
Think about it N. Korea is surrounded by some of the most powerful nations of the world. Japan, Australia, India, S. Korea, then there is the United States. If N. Korea attacks S. Korea the U.S. will react as will Japan and the rest will follow suit. And if you honestly think China will support an attack on S. Korea your only fooling yourself when N. Korea did their first nuclear test China was furious. I'd be surprised if they did anything to support N. Korea.
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On May 28 2009 05:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2009 05:42 XinRan wrote:On May 28 2009 04:22 StarN wrote:
North Korea would be foolish to start a war. They have zero chance of winning (i.e. S. Korea, Japan, and the US has more than enough military power to defeat them), and won't get anything out of it. I doubt it'll happen. I don't know about that. I think North Korea has the largest military in the world. Pretty much their entire GDP is devoted to the military. Another Korean War could degenerate into another Vietnam/Iraq. lol? Think about it N. Korea is surrounded by some of the most powerful nations of the world. Japan, Australia, India, S. Korea, then there is the United States. If N. Korea attacks S. Korea the U.S. will react as will Japan and the rest will follow suit. And if you honestly think China will support an attack on S. Korea your only fooling yourself when N. Korea did their first nuclear test China was furious. I'd be surprised if they did anything to support N. Korea.
completely irrelevant, with their Million man army, any coalition will be forced to extensively bomb N korea, which unfortunately may turn into a nuclear confrontation.
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On May 28 2009 06:03 Etherone wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2009 05:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On May 28 2009 05:42 XinRan wrote:On May 28 2009 04:22 StarN wrote:
North Korea would be foolish to start a war. They have zero chance of winning (i.e. S. Korea, Japan, and the US has more than enough military power to defeat them), and won't get anything out of it. I doubt it'll happen. I don't know about that. I think North Korea has the largest military in the world. Pretty much their entire GDP is devoted to the military. Another Korean War could degenerate into another Vietnam/Iraq. lol? Think about it N. Korea is surrounded by some of the most powerful nations of the world. Japan, Australia, India, S. Korea, then there is the United States. If N. Korea attacks S. Korea the U.S. will react as will Japan and the rest will follow suit. And if you honestly think China will support an attack on S. Korea your only fooling yourself when N. Korea did their first nuclear test China was furious. I'd be surprised if they did anything to support N. Korea. completely irrelevant, with their Million man army, any coalition will be forced to extensively bomb N korea, which unfortunately may turn into a nuclear confrontation.
What...? N. Korea's sole purpose is that they will turn Seoul into a lake of fire if they push the nuke button there is no winners on either side, not even N. Korea is dumb enough to nuke the South since it would also affect them as well. Sure they might issue it as a last resort when they realize they are completely alone. Not even China wants a war, nuclear or not.
And million man army, not to sound like a jackass but N. Korea better have a lot more if they want to start World War III.
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On May 28 2009 05:40 MiniRoman wrote:
You're a fucking idiot omninmo. N Korean government is beyond retarded. The ability to launch kill people and feed citizens sadly aren't linked. It's just an extra pain in the ass waste of lives. Boo.
basically
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north korean civil war of 2009
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all we care is that our favourite progamers are in danger! :O
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On May 28 2009 06:38 GTR wrote:
all we care is that our favourite progamers are in danger! :O
oh wow haha that actually ...didn't cross my mind at all
/shame
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On May 28 2009 06:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2009 06:03 Etherone wrote:On May 28 2009 05:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On May 28 2009 05:42 XinRan wrote:On May 28 2009 04:22 StarN wrote:
North Korea would be foolish to start a war. They have zero chance of winning (i.e. S. Korea, Japan, and the US has more than enough military power to defeat them), and won't get anything out of it. I doubt it'll happen. I don't know about that. I think North Korea has the largest military in the world. Pretty much their entire GDP is devoted to the military. Another Korean War could degenerate into another Vietnam/Iraq. lol? Think about it N. Korea is surrounded by some of the most powerful nations of the world. Japan, Australia, India, S. Korea, then there is the United States. If N. Korea attacks S. Korea the U.S. will react as will Japan and the rest will follow suit. And if you honestly think China will support an attack on S. Korea your only fooling yourself when N. Korea did their first nuclear test China was furious. I'd be surprised if they did anything to support N. Korea. completely irrelevant, with their Million man army, any coalition will be forced to extensively bomb N korea, which unfortunately may turn into a nuclear confrontation. What...? N. Korea's sole purpose is that they will turn Seoul into a lake of fire if they push the nuke button there is no winners on either side, not even N. Korea is dumb enough to nuke the South since it would also affect them as well. Sure they might issue it as a last resort when they realize they are completely alone. Not even China wants a war, nuclear or not. And million man army, not to sound like a jackass but N. Korea better have a lot more if they want to start World War III.
lol.
But this is correct. China gets very profitable business from it's neighbor S. Korea. And although China supported N. Korea back during the Cold War, China has become a much more business oriented nation. Their economy is growing at a monster rate, and they don't want N. Korea to hinder that in any way. Although they are both "communist" nations, that doesn't mean they support each other. China's economic system has gone through much improved reform whereas N. Korea is in the dark-ages still.
If N. Korea attacks S. Korea, they're going to be all alone. Unless S. Korea (or an ally) is held responsible for something diplomatically foolish.
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how do you think Americans invaded IRAQ?
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NK does this everytime they want attention. I just read an article that mentioned several other instances of NK threatening war in just the last few decades.
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North Korea have been complete douche bags in diplomatic talks over the last few decades. This is not the first time they've taken something as a "declaration of war", and have threatened a breaking of the armistice. The only reason why people are paying more attention now is because they claim to have had now two successful nuclear weapons tests. The US is still investigating, apparently.
Even if they have, China, who is N. Korea's strongest and perhaps only real ally, will NOT allow them to go to war under any circumstances. At this point, China even looks down upon the North's nuclear weapons program, and is not in support of where things are heading. This is good news.
If North Korea ignores China and goes ahead with all this, they will truly be fucked. They will have the full force of the US on their ass, as well as China not helping at all.
On May 28 2009 04:24 omninmo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2009 04:22 theron[wdt] wrote:
if i have family there, i have a goddamn reason to worry. well, then post this blog on obama's website. or start a donation fund to smuggle them to california. i dont wanna be insensitive in your time of uncertainty. but, really... turn off your TV
Terribly insensitive... -____-;;
On May 28 2009 04:40 heyoka wrote:
North Korea can't even feed its citizens, are people actually worried about them doing something
The North Korean leader is unimaginably eccentric and borderline insane. We should be very worried about them doing something completely irrational.
On May 28 2009 05:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2009 05:42 XinRan wrote:On May 28 2009 04:22 StarN wrote:
North Korea would be foolish to start a war. They have zero chance of winning (i.e. S. Korea, Japan, and the US has more than enough military power to defeat them), and won't get anything out of it. I doubt it'll happen. I don't know about that. I think North Korea has the largest military in the world. Pretty much their entire GDP is devoted to the military. Another Korean War could degenerate into another Vietnam/Iraq. lol? Think about it N. Korea is surrounded by some of the most powerful nations of the world. Japan, Australia, India, S. Korea, then there is the United States. If N. Korea attacks S. Korea the U.S. will react as will Japan and the rest will follow suit. And if you honestly think China will support an attack on S. Korea your only fooling yourself when N. Korea did their first nuclear test China was furious. I'd be surprised if they did anything to support N. Korea.
Japan is an economic power, but since WWII, they have not been a major military power. The US takes care of Japan's military interests. India has its own issues with domestic problems as well as strife and tension in its immediate surroundings. South Korea is in a weakened state right now, and between the two, North Korea has a more immediately threatening military.
It's obvious that North Korea will lose should war break out, but the problem...the BIG PROBLEM that no one seems to be concerned about is the number of people, both noncombatants and soldiers, in South Korea that will die before international retaliation can bring the conflict to a close.
I have family in Korea as well. I don't want a conflict to break out. Just because North Korea won't win doesn't mean that South Korea won't lose. Think a little, holy fucking shit.
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Why are people drawing comparisons between this and the US/Iraq war. Now I do support the latter, but that's besides the point. The people who don't support it feel that way because they feel US had no business being there, there was nothing going on. Fair enough. This is only going to escalate because N. Korea bombs someone. Now who is really going to say "There was nothing going on!" after that?
Post above ended with a good point, this won't be as pretty as it seems. S. Korea will unfortunately have a hefty price.
Anyways, hope your family is safe dude.
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How can they declare war?
{CC}StealthBlue, you are confused. No one is quite sure if the people in N Korea are just very fearful or totally brainwashed. They have the largest army in the world. You can't defeat them on their own territory if they don't surrender. Unless the US and Korea draft even more soldiers, which they might try.
And Japan won't join S Korea. Why would they? I doubt S Korea will even allow Japanese soldiers. Besides that the Japanese constitution also doesn't allow it, but that isn't much of a problem anymore nowadays. And if N Korea is fighting US& S Korea they run much less risk of getting nuked compared to right now.
And China is on the other side, remember? Sure, they will be forced to abandon N Korea in the fictional scenario of an attack. But fight against their ally? Why?
India is like as far away as the US is big. And Australia 3 times that distance.
There isn't going to be a new war. N Korea just wants it's attention. It will get it, back down, and then it will start over again in a year or 2. Plus they have nukes so they are totally safe. Even Saddam Hussain knew that. That's why he tried to make it look like he had WMDs. But the CIA knew he didn't so the US attacked anyway.
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They're still technically at war because a peace treaty has never been signed
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Japan doesn't have an outstanding military force anyway. Most of the South Koreans (that I've talked to about this anyway) feel that Kim Jong Il is on his death bed and is just trying to make the best of his last days in power. I don't think that many feel that it's a real threat. (Not sure if that's a good or bad thing).
Life is going by as it always has here - the nation is not really in a state of panic from what I see.
We also have all these US military bases all around the nation, if NK nukes SK, they will have the US in their face pretty quickly, I'd assume.
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So some of you honestly think that if South Korea was attacked, nuked or not. Japan would not act, give me a break.
N. Korea as usual just wants attention and sure as hell won't launch a war.
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I wouldn't be so worried about North Korea. Kim Jong is a dying man looking for a final shot at his fifteen minutes of fame. Besides, I would HIGHLY doubt any country would support North Korea's actions if they were to wage some sort of war.
If you live in America, here is the real threat you should be concerned about.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=99919934
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North Korea vs South Korea, South Korea would lose.
North Korea vs South Korea, US and Japan, North Korea will lose.
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On May 28 2009 10:55 Diomedes wrote:
How can they declare war?
{CC}StealthBlue, you are confused. No one is quite sure if the people in N Korea are just very fearful or totally brainwashed. They have the largest army in the world. You can't defeat them on their own territory if they don't surrender. Unless the US and Korea draft even more soldiers, which they might try.
And Japan won't join S Korea. Why would they? I doubt S Korea will even allow Japanese soldiers. Besides that the Japanese constitution also doesn't allow it, but that isn't much of a problem anymore nowadays. And if N Korea is fighting US& S Korea they run much less risk of getting nuked compared to right now.
And China is on the other side, remember? Sure, they will be forced to abandon N Korea in the fictional scenario of an attack. But fight against their ally? Why?
India is like as far away as the US is big. And Australia 3 times that distance.
There isn't going to be a new war. N Korea just wants it's attention. It will get it, back down, and then it will start over again in a year or 2. Plus they have nukes so they are totally safe. Even Saddam Hussain knew that. That's why he tried to make it look like he had WMDs. But the CIA knew he didn't so the US attacked anyway.
Japan would go to Korea to fight North Korea if their constitution allowed for it (I read there are movements pushing to change the constitution just because of the situation in Korea).
The reason is simple...Japan and North Korea don't like each other at all. If North Korea were to invade SK, then Japan would respond simply to first off, help US military interests (Japan's foreign affairs = US foreign affairs), and second, to curb any potential aggression towards Japan itself. In any case, Japan won't be able to leave its own soil with any military force, except as a peacekeeping unit aligned with the UN, so they'll only fight in the diplomatic/political arena.
No one expects China to join in the fighting. North Korea's military, despite its size, is vastly inferior to those of the other major powers.
Like I said before, no one expects North Korea to win a war with the international community.
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On May 28 2009 04:32 ghostWriter wrote:
Technically, it would be a continuation of the Korean War.
oh wow u r rite!
On May 28 2009 06:32 HeavOnEarth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2009 05:40 MiniRoman wrote:
You're a fucking idiot omninmo. N Korean government is beyond retarded. The ability to launch kill people and feed citizens sadly aren't linked. It's just an extra pain in the ass waste of lives. Boo. basically
i agree
On May 28 2009 11:08 lilsusie wrote:
Japan doesn't have an outstanding military force anyway. Most of the South Koreans (that I've talked to about this anyway) feel that Kim Jong Il is on his death bed and is just trying to make the best of his last days in power. I don't think that many feel that it's a real threat. (Not sure if that's a good or bad thing).
Life is going by as it always has here - the nation is not really in a state of panic from what I see.
We also have all these US military bases all around the nation, if NK nukes SK, they will have the US in their face pretty quickly, I'd assume.
yeah didn't he like have a stroke recently?
i just hope it's a power play... and that he doesn't really pull the pin...
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You say "Another Fucking war" like there isn't supposed to be anymore. War is timeless and will never go away.
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all dictators in this world should be destroyed. period.
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there won't be a war.
North Koreans can't fight any wars with out another major power backing them.
Russian gave them the tanks and guns in the last war and they still had to be rescued by China.
Yeah okay, blow up Seoul, then what? Where are their logistics? food? fuel? War is costly and these mofos are broke.
USA can fix this easily. Give China a resolution on the issue of Taiwan and then bomb the crap out of North Korea, move in south Koreans, maintain a special NK zone for 10 years while South Koreans sort out stuff. :D
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On May 28 2009 18:26 rushz0rz wrote:
You say "Another Fucking war" like there isn't supposed to be anymore. War is timeless and will never go away.
That doesn't make war a good thing, nor something that should not be worked against.
War may never go away, but that doesn't mean I have to like or accept it.
Please...it may be difficult, but try to be even somewhat humane.
On May 29 2009 15:27 haduken wrote:
there won't be a war.
North Koreans can't fight any wars with out another major power backing them.
Russian gave them the tanks and guns in the last war and they still had to be rescued by China.
Yeah okay, blow up Seoul, then what? Where are their logistics? food? fuel? War is costly and these mofos are broke.
USA can fix this easily. Give China a resolution on the issue of Taiwan and then bomb the crap out of North Korea, move in south Koreans, maintain a special NK zone for 10 years while South Koreans sort out stuff. :D
Unless the US can bomb all of NK's military assets all at the same time, SK is going to suffer immense losses. NK is constantly on alert...meaning SK could see a lot of damage and casualties at a mere moment's notice.
Add to that the eccentricity of Kim Jong Il and the relative joke that is his entire government and administration, and who knows...he may start shit up on his last legs of life just to spite the South and go out with tragic bang.
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I doubt that this is anything more than another one of the 9999999 threats of declaration of war that the North threatens on the South. They know just as well as we do that any attack on the South will result in absolute disaster for the North. China and Russia don't want a war. Neither do Japan and the United States, or even the United Nations. It is almost certain that if the North invades, China/Russia will send "peacekeepers" into North Korea-in the form of the PLA's Shenyang District and the Russian Far Eastern Military District. The US already has like 40,000 troops in South Korea, not to mention the RoK's own formidable armed forces, and the minefields. Even if nuclear missiles are launched, if the NK's find out that they are nuking their fellow Koreans, not the "capitalists," they will likely desert. So it is relatively unlikely that they will nuke any major Korean cities (to win the hearts of the South Koreans)-they will most likely target areas with heavy concentrations of American troops and civilians, as well as possibly Japan.
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You don't need to worry. Reach is part of South Korean's military right now.
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On May 29 2009 16:56 PH wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2009 18:26 rushz0rz wrote:
You say "Another Fucking war" like there isn't supposed to be anymore. War is timeless and will never go away. That doesn't make war a good thing, nor something that should not be worked against. War may never go away, but that doesn't mean I have to like or accept it. Please...it may be difficult, but try to be even somewhat humane.
I have become so cynical in recent years. I'm also only being realistic.
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Not gonna lie, anyone who thinks NK will do anything is not smart. When you consider the amount of empty threats they've put up over the years
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Large armies such as NK's so called "Million Man Army" won't matter if there is an airforce raping the shit out of them
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