EPTI’m asking for hands to be uplifted in just a moment. God the Holy Ghost is calling out to embrace you. I want you to reach deep into your hearts and your pocketbooks and take his hand.
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
I’m asking for hands to be uplifted in just a moment. God the Holy Ghost is calling out to embrace you. I want you to reach deep into your hearts and your pocketbooks and take his hand. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On March 20 2009 01:50 Chromyne wrote: History is an interpreted social science. There's several levels of interpretation that go on and it's honestly a mistake to put that kind of faith (yes, I said faith) in a PhD. They're working with very limited sources, often poor sources and they themselves have selection biases that must be considered. Obviously they're still experts who are more trustworthy than anyone else, but I think you should look into historiography and consider whether you should definitively believe what a history book says. Especially given the fact that history is constantly rewritten.I was referring to your point on translations. And I still don't agree, You must have very litte trust in the ability of historians and other persons involved in studying ancient languages and text. I think it's safe to say that people have been trying to challenge the history validity of the Bible for a long time. The original Hebrew and Greek exist on actual manuscripts, and I trust historians to be able to understand them just like I trusted them to understand any other historical documents that gives the world the vast documented history we have today. Historians can't find a consensus explanation for events that happened 50 years ago with copious amounts of evidence, why would there be a dependable induction on the events of 2,000 years ago with extremely limited evidence? At least to the degree you're looking for with regards to specific original texts. It's pretty easy to determine that the King James, etc. is crap, and they can do general translations on Hebrew and Greek, but there's still a lot of interpretation that goes on in any type of translation. | ||
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
On March 20 2009 03:23 ilj.psa wrote: i find it also funny that Idra pops up in every religion thread. only an idiot would pray without getting professional help. Don't generalize buddy and there is plenty of them out there.. whole "Christian" sects for that matter. of note: - when it comes belief threads - Idra, despite some of his short comings, is my hero | ||
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koreasilver
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SwaY-
Dominican Republic463 Posts
Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God" -Epicurus Yes I got that from those motivational poster things, However I never heard of this before that, so I dont know real source/too lazy to go get it But just wanted to throw that out there as it was some food for thought for me for a few days. | ||
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Hypnosis
United States2061 Posts
perfect analogy. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On March 20 2009 00:21 Chromyne wrote: But we do have the official original works/manuscripts, and those are in Hebrew (Old Testament) and Greek (New Testament). We don't have the original works or manuscripts. The Torah and, perhaps, the earliest versions of the Tanakh were compiled during or shortly after the Exile and some of the texts that made it in were probably a few hundred years old even then. The earliest version of the Tanakh we have is from a few hundred years after the Exile. As for the New Testament, I'm pretty sure that there are no manuscripts from the first century AD around anymore. | ||
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koreasilver
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On March 20 2009 06:31 Hypnosis wrote: Im a complete athiest and i have gotten to the point where it is useless to discuss religion with religious people because it is an absolute belief. Imagine you are taught all your life that 2+2 is 5, every one of your friends believes it completely. some smart guy comes along and says 2+2 is 4. what do you do? argue forever. perfect analogy. Terrible analogy. Godless sodomite. | ||
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Sadir
Vatican City State1176 Posts
On March 20 2009 01:43 gokai wrote: Welp. Being a buddhist and talking about it to my friends, I've learned not to talk to them about religion. Relgion can't help a person if they don't find it useful. And arguing over religion is like hella counter productive. The way I see it. If you read the buddhist scripture and find no inspiration from them. Nothing I can say can convince you they're helpful. I kind of sympathize with people who are devoted to their faith. People think they're dumb when they're just doing something that helps in life. I use to not believe in any religion and also thought religous people were stupid. But now it just seems so arrogant. for me that's by far the best post in this thread and I agree wholeheartly with it some things I wanted to add: 1. if you discuss about religion and what people believe, be very very carefull about what you say, because your discussion partner believes (in the sence of the word) in it and you can harm him sooo much if you instult his view of things. It happens really fast that you instult somebody and then you have the mess. 2. I got the feeling while reading through this block that some of you don't believe religion is helpfull, that it's just a tool for mighty men to manipulate the masses to gain power (which is of course true in some cases). That it only harms people, that only evil can come from it. but please ask yourself: why does the idea of god, some supernatural power or whatever you want to call him exist in every culture all over the world? I won't answer this question for you, because you have to do it for yourself, but I just think that people who live through shitty times, get strengh from a god, that is there for them when they are lonely, withouth hope, food, when they feel helpless because their son got murdered in war, died in an car accident or whatever. | ||
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
On March 19 2009 19:52 Pioneer wrote: The jews have suffered more than any group of people in recorded history. I beg to differ. Try reading some history. There is no shortage of human suffering. I wish | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
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blapsd
England121 Posts
Personally I believe that many christians blindly state cases like these must be the work of god without searching for further explanation. I do agree that there are certain cases where science cant give us answers, but is that because its God's work, or because science is not yet advanced enough to realise what's going on? If you think you know all the answers, infact you dont even know all the questions | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On March 20 2009 03:23 ilj.psa wrote: i find it also funny that Idra pops up in every religion thread. only an idiot would pray without getting professional help. Don't generalize buddy if you truly believe that prayer can save you why would you bother getting professional help? | ||
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BackHo
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On March 20 2009 09:43 BackHo wrote: ![[image loading]](http://www.liquidpoker.net/user_pictures/af0f4d06bb3020057cff0cfb96237634.jpg) Man and woman were not created with original sin. Of course that picture should also include something about how he prays to himself. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11312a.htm Man and woman were created without original sin. Townley is questioning the circumstances by which original sin came about; she's not claiming that man and woman were created with it. | ||
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