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Wow. I myself have been caught in such wonder as to why God doesn't do certain things like why God doesn't want to end suffering in this world.. why God doesn't want to heal the sick and why God doesn't want to heal amputees.
But as I grew older, I find that we wonder these things because our hearts and focus are set in the wrong direction. The whole point about this is not whether or not God would heal. Our present downfalls aren't the result of God's so called judgement but due to natural laws that have been set in place since the beginning of time.
I guess an even greater purpose for the sick is to show God's glory. It is to show that even the sick, those dying from cancer, those with heart disease and amputees alike, God can help them lead victorious lives. Its really not about what God can give us but how we can use what is already in our hands.
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For this experiment, we need to find a deserving person who has had both of his legs amputated. For example, find a sincere, devout veteran of the Iraqi war,
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's sooooooooo good! Priceless!
I never laught so much in my whole life.
This thread is so retarded, I start to wonder if it's just another christian bullshit troll or if the OP is just a complete idiot.
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Welp. Being a buddhist and talking about it to my friends, I've learned not to talk to them about religion. Relgion can't help a person if they don't find it useful. And arguing over religion is like hella counter productive.
The way I see it. If you read the buddhist scripture and find no inspiration from them. Nothing I can say can convince you they're helpful.
I kind of sympathize with people who are devoted to their faith. People think they're dumb when they're just doing something that helps in life. I use to not believe in any religion and also thought religous people were stupid. But now it just seems so arrogant.
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On March 20 2009 01:43 HamerD wrote:
What needs to be done about it in developing societies is mass education and alleviation from the state of ignorance.
PLEASE HAMERD FROM THE INTERNET STARCRAFT FORUM, SAVE THE WORLD FROM IGNORANCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
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You're all going to hell.
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On March 20 2009 01:43 gokai wrote:
Welp. Being a buddhist and talking about it to my friends, I've learned not to talk to them about religion. Relgion can't help a person if they don't find it useful. And arguing over religion is like hella counter productive.
The way I see it. If you read the buddhist scripture and find no inspiration from them. Nothing I can say can convince you they're helpful.
I kind of sympathize with people who are devoted to their faith. People think they're dumb when they're just doing something that helps in life. I use to not believe in any religion and also thought religous people were stupid. But now it just seems so arrogant.
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On March 20 2009 00:34 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2009 00:21 Chromyne wrote:On March 20 2009 00:06 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Chromyne, Pioneer didn't claim that the Bible has been retranslated successively (although it probably has been by some people here and there). The Bible actually does not have an agreed-upon official translation for each language. But we do have the official original works/manuscripts, and those are in Hebrew (Old Testament) and Greek (New Testament). This is why you don't rely on, say, an English translation. You go back to the original Greek or Hebrew. Your point is fairly moot. How can my point be moot? My point was that you claimed Pioneer claimed something that he didn't claim. He wasn't talking about successive translations. It's a relevant fact. About translations: Going back to the original Greek or Hebrew won't solve anything. Nobody's first language is the Greek or Hebrew from that time period. Everyone learns the language(s) of the Bible through translation now. Even those who are raised speaking Greek or Hebrew still need to study Ancient Greek or Classical Hebrew. There are people who can read the originals while thinking completely in the language of the originals but that ability was created from learning the language through translation from whatever language they previously knew.
I was referring to your point on translations. And I still don't agree, You must have very litte trust in the ability of historians and other persons involved in studying ancient languages and text. I think it's safe to say that people have been trying to challenge the history validity of the Bible for a long time. The original Hebrew and Greek exist on actual manuscripts, and I trust historians to be able to understand them just like I trusted them to understand any other historical documents that gives the world the vast documented history we have today.
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On March 20 2009 01:11 IdrA wrote:
thats not analogous at all. we can infer the conditions of the big bang from stuff we can observe today. simple, understandable logical conclusions drawn from evidence that anyone can see.
however there is no evidence that an amputee has ever regrown a limb, nor is there any reason to believe it has happened.
you do not have to see something happen to believe it happened. however if you believe something happened with absolutely no evidence or support, you are an idiot. there is evidence and support for the big bang. there is none for an amputee regrowing a limb.
its also not analogous to undiscovered species. we are aware that we have not searched every habitable place on earth yet, and so we know there are probably species living in the places we havent yet looked, and so it is likely there are undiscovered species. given what we know about human anatomy there is no reason to believe that a limb could regrow, and given that there is no reliable evidence of a legit miracle _EVER HAPPENING_, also no legit evidence of any supernatural being ever having any noticeable effect on the real world, there is no reason for us to believe that a limb could be regrown. if it happens, or there is trustworthy evidence that it has happened before then ill look pretty dumb. i am however, quite confident that that will not happen and until it does you dont have a leg to stand on. unless god grows one for you.
when you present arguments like 'well it could happen so you cant say it hasnt' theres not much left to do but belittle you.
sigh... fine i guess u can't really see my point or im not making it clear
there's really no point in arguing if my point won't even be considered...im not a politician
On March 20 2009 01:49 koreasilver wrote:
You're all going to hell.
then isn't it ur responsibility to save them?
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On March 19 2009 17:04 Slithe wrote:
I honestly don't know what you're trying to accomplish by posting something like this on a Christian forum. The only conclusion I can come to is that you're trying to troll them.
What christian forum? It seems to me the only troll here is you.
God does not heal amputees but man eventually will : )
A lot of great animal research on this stuff out there.
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im not Christian, but the loss of a limb i would assume is considered material and not spiritual, the loss is an obstacle in gaining entry to heaven
btw threads like this are dumb
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On March 19 2009 16:57 Rice wrote:
I think its funny how christians think " accepting jesus as your savior" is the difference between heaven and hell
I think its funny how you think he is really a christian/ christians talk like that.
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i find it also funny that Idra pops up in every religion thread.
On March 19 2009 21:01 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2009 20:59 Jibba wrote:On March 19 2009 20:56 IdrA wrote:
removing people's delusions does not seem cruel to me at all.
That's why you're an emotional stub. I have much more pity for you than for most religious people. "mommy when timmy prayed for his daddy's cancer to go away it worked but when i tried it didnt and now daddy's dead and its all my fault" people can not wish away tumors. telling them they can is cruel in itself, it gives false hope and misplaces trust. how many people have died because they tried some homeopathic bullshit instead of going to a doctor?
only an idiot would pray without getting professional help. Don't generalize buddy
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Jesus Christ Holy wall of text.
Why don't you leave Christians alone? Religion is a leap of faith, there's obviously no God but if someone wants to believe just let them, don't harass them with giant walls of text.
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