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i should probably write a book one day about my experiences
back home it wasnt like in the US. When you got blazed, you were really badass
not too many drug users at the time, especially potheads. It was fun exploring whole new world, probably some of the best years of my life. I felt like i was becoming a part of something huge, whole new culture
around here its so common - probably a pure choice of preference. Some get shitfaced, some smoke, some do coke - casual shit. Still i imagine when youre young the rush and enthusiasm is comparable no matter where you from. Youre eating the forbidden fruit after all
i ended up having to quit everything - i dont even smoke cigs anymore( used to be 1-2 packs of reds daily) Just drinking beer/rum etc goodness
it came to the point where i had to stop, my mind was fucked up. Ive done about everything, besides the heavy shit, but ended up tripping out every time i smoked weed. When you have to quit you will, there was no addiction. I'm sure many people on this forum going through same routines as i did, maybe not that intensive
the only question left whether i regret it or not. I guess i am pretty fucked up for the rest of my life( nothing visible, just my own feeling) But it was probably worth it T_T
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On February 17 2009 15:17 NatsuTerran wrote:
I'm just like the OP. I pretty much hate drug usage for no apparent reason. I think a big part of it is the fact that I am a completely original person who doesn't follow the crowd. That coupled with the idea that drugs are sort of the epitome of peer pressure makes me really disrespect people who use them.
this is also a sheltered, naive opinion
it's not healthy to meet things you don't understand with contempt
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Perhaps it's my upbringing, all the media, or maybe I'm just a boring person but black people just piss me off. I hate the idea of them, I hate what they do to people, etc. Makes things difficult since I can't look at people the same when I know they're black. I respect them less and I question their judgment, intelligence, and general integrity as a person. Which is further complicated because I'm finding out every day that it is more prevalent than I thought. Friends I've known for awhile turn out to be black and it colors them in a different light from there on in.
I'm not sure exactly why I hate them so much either. Perhaps it's the sense of excess that I associate with them or maybe just my own insecurity about not being in control, I'm not really sure. I can sort of understand the allure but I still find myself disgusted by them. Might just be a need to feel superior to others, I've been told I can sit on an awfully high horse.
In case someone is going to ask, I've never done a black person and you could probably only fill a milk carton halfway with all the caps I've popped in asses for the sake of being social. So at least I'm not a hypocrite.
I'm sure I'm going to get plenty of flak for this since I seem to be in the overwhelming minority on this but I felt the need to vent. I'm boring, I know.
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hating drugs has nothing to do with being original. In reality, 95% of those people are some home-grown, carefully raised individuals, who probably werent as outgoing as the rest. There is no concept in this when you are 15, probably just the fear/unwillingness to do thing out of the ordinary. You probably know a lot about the harm that "drugs" do, but most of you will start drinking sooner or later. And in no way pot is worse then alcohol, esp when you drink to get drunk. I totally respect the cleanliness and i must say i was just like that until i turned 16 and started hanging out with more people/visiting more places. It seemed relatively harmless and i was always for new experiences, so i did it. Like i said, next few years were pretty awesome haha
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On February 17 2009 15:17 NatsuTerran wrote:
I'm just like the OP. I pretty much hate drug usage for no apparent reason. I think a big part of it is the fact that I am a completely original person who doesn't follow the crowd.
Oh just you wait until you get out of high school and realize you are neither original nor outside the crowd, it'll be wonderful ^^
Of course, when you're done crying you will be the first to start inhaling gaseous happy.
Anyway, as far as weed goes, it's a pretty boring drug imo, it just makes you slow and stupid. I dunno why the rappers keep singing about it.
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On February 17 2009 15:51 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
it's not healthy to meet things you don't understand with contempt
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On February 17 2009 15:17 NatsuTerran wrote:
I'm just like the OP. I pretty much hate drug usage for no apparent reason. I think a big part of it is the fact that I am a completely original person who doesn't follow the crowd. That coupled with the idea that drugs are sort of the epitome of peer pressure makes me really disrespect people who use them.
It's kind of like saying you don't play basketball because other people think it is fun.
People think starcraft is fun, do you play that? I bet you are just a square.
On February 17 2009 15:55 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
In case someone is going to ask, I've never done a black person and you could probably only fill a milk carton halfway with all the caps I've popped in asses for the sake of being social. So at least I'm not a hypocrite.
I lol'd.
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On February 17 2009 16:04 Osmoses wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2009 15:17 NatsuTerran wrote:
I'm just like the OP. I pretty much hate drug usage for no apparent reason. I think a big part of it is the fact that I am a completely original person who doesn't follow the crowd. Oh just you wait until you get out of high school and realize you are neither original nor outside the crowd, it'll be wonderful ^^ Of course, when you're done crying you will be the first to start inhaling gaseous happy. Anyway, as far as weed goes, it's a pretty boring drug imo, it just makes you slow and stupid. I dunno why the rappers keep singing about it.
Just lace your weed then so its more fun
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You shouldn't mix pills and alcohol, I'd assume the same goes for weed and whatever I might lace it with. I've scientifically deduced that alcohol + weed = vomiting.
And why lace the weed when I can just do a better drug to begin with?
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if you don't want to do drugs, then don't do them
if you want to do drugs, you're acting with risks, but that's your problem
as long as you don't crash into my car because you're drunk, then whatever man do your thing
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you need to realise that you can change your outlook on drugs, and your position. Drugs are just escapism. So are video games. There's no difference. Repeatedly taking drugs and repeatedly playing games for long stretches of time are virtually identical as addictions, drugs just go a step further, but that's just what the person is doing to themselves.
Weed without excess really is just like snacking on a few crisps. Heroine addiction is like an obese person stuffing themselves with cake every day. Both are unfortunate. I don't take drugs btw or smoke.
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smoke weed n listen to ur favourite music at super high volume, that will change ur mind
u havnt heard music til uve heard it smokin
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In Praise of Drug Use
I don't post a lot, but I like this particular subject. I'm a drug user. I smoke weed on a regular basis, and I have tried MDMA, LSD and shrooms. They were all to my liking. Obviously I have been drunk. I like this (alcohol) as well, but I don't like the hangover it can give you and I especially don't like how aggressive or retarded it can make you when you've had too much.
Psychoactive drugs are, I think, the most interesting. They are used in many cultures in certain rituals. The idea that is presented through this use and that I would like to defend is that in taking certain psychoactive drugs, preferably under the supervision of more experienced 'trippers', one may undergo a change in character, or rather worldview, that will often be beneficial to one's happiness and/or the pursuit thereof. For me, my first trip - shrooms - had quite an enormous effect on my outlook on life and lead me to certain insights that I am quite happy to have attained. One may argue here that it is not at all necessary to take certain psychoactive substances in order to attain such valuable insights; that one may, by reading certain books, for example, question one's outlook on life and possibly change it for the better. This argument may hold in certain cases, but in general, I think, there are but a few people who are so open-minded and critical that they will be able to subject their 'outlook on life' to scrutiny. The benefit that shrooms offer, for example (I think there are other drugs that may better serve the purpose that I have described), is that they will put the user in that place; that is, a state of perplexion, a state in which curiosity reigns, a state in which one may question one's ideals fully and perhaps search oneself for other ideals that are more fitting of a life you really want to lead. Even for very average people, psychoactive drugs may 'get the job done'. Furthermore, even for the critical intellectual that is able to subject oneself to such critical scrutiny by reading Nietzsche for example, the realization of certain ideas may not necessarily make him 'interiorize' these ideas. This is, I think, another advantage of psychoactive drugs: because the experience is so intense and because it alters one's consciousness, it is quite conducive to the interiorisation of certain ideas, certain epiphanies, if you will, that might occur during the trip. You will not only hold these things to be true and just go on living your life; you are more likely to think about these ideas in a different way and indeed to live accordingly.
I believe that having an experience such as this at least once, and preferably every couple of years, is healthy and will indeed increase the chances of your leading a satisfying life.
I don't like the 'if you haven't tried it you don't know wtf you're talking about' argument. In fact, scientific tests concerning the effects of drugs consists mostly of people watching people who took certain drugs and describing/analysing their behavior. You can have a good idea of what it does to you without having tried it. However, in the case of psychoactive drugs, the usefulness of this method is questionable. You will have to listen to the stories of this drug-user in order to get an idea about what exactly it will do to you.
Finally I would like to say that an anti-drug-attitude is created under social pressure and what one might call a weak form of indoctrination. Equally so, it is often peer pressure that would drive one to reject such an attitude and accept a more drug-loving-attitude. Just because peer pressure may drive you to do certain stuff doesn't necessarily mean this stuff is bad. You are formed for a large part by peer pressure (or 'social pressure' to include teachers and parents).
I could write more extensively about this stuff (MDMA for example is entirely different than LSD and shrooms. LSD again is quite different from shooms), but I think this post is already too long.
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I don't really care about drug stuff, but I have some irrational hatred toward party girls. Any girl that gets drunk and makes out with some guy at a party is dead to me.
I know there is little rational reason for it, but w/e
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I dont really see the problem.
If I chose to smoke some weed to get a break from the everyday life every now and then, whats wrong with that 
Its not exactly harmfull to your health if you compare it to smoking a pack of sigarettes a day, like many people do.
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On February 17 2009 20:34 HamerD wrote:
you need to realise that you can change your outlook on drugs, and your position. Drugs are just escapism. So are video games. There's no difference. Repeatedly taking drugs and repeatedly playing games for long stretches of time are virtually identical as addictions, drugs just go a step further, but that's just what the person is doing to themselves.
Weed without excess really is just like snacking on a few crisps. Heroine addiction is like an obese person stuffing themselves with cake every day. Both are unfortunate. I don't take drugs btw or smoke.
Which brings up another interesting point that I've thought about on many occasions. I've heard people bring up the comparison between drug use and playing video games, saying they aren't all that different. However, one obviously feels more "right" to me than the other. In theory, you could make the same comparison between reading books and using drugs.
Perhaps I'm asking the wrong people, but is it a fair comparison to make? Pretty much any "escapist" hobby compared to drug use? Again, my gut says they aren't the same but I'm fairly biased I believe.
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On February 17 2009 15:51 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
it's not healthy to meet things you don't understand with contempt
This makes me think of ex-girlfriends more than drugs.
And thinking about ex-girlfriends makes me want to get wasted.
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On February 17 2009 20:34 HamerD wrote:
you need to realise that you can change your outlook on drugs, and your position. Drugs are just escapism. So are video games. There's no difference. Repeatedly taking drugs and repeatedly playing games for long stretches of time are virtually identical as addictions, drugs just go a step further, but that's just what the person is doing to themselves.
I think this is true. Fundamentally, a lot of the entertainment we seek are just forms of escapism. One thing that drugs might do better than video games is bring together a group of friends, since it's often a social activity (as opposed to online multiplayer or w/e).
But as such, I don't really see it as something to be glorified or defended. My experience with drug users, and especially potsmokers, is that they get super butthurt and defensive (like FakeSteve) when anyone questions the rationale behind drug use. The fact is that they are just as much guilty of having a prejudiced/biased view.
I can only imagine people getting so worked up about something that is really crucial to their lives - and if defending pot use is one of them, then perhaps pot is a bigger part of who you are than you have intended it to be.
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On February 17 2009 23:41 Phyre wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2009 20:34 HamerD wrote:
you need to realise that you can change your outlook on drugs, and your position. Drugs are just escapism. So are video games. There's no difference. Repeatedly taking drugs and repeatedly playing games for long stretches of time are virtually identical as addictions, drugs just go a step further, but that's just what the person is doing to themselves.
Weed without excess really is just like snacking on a few crisps. Heroine addiction is like an obese person stuffing themselves with cake every day. Both are unfortunate. I don't take drugs btw or smoke. Which brings up another interesting point that I've thought about on many occasions. I've heard people bring up the comparison between drug use and playing video games, saying they aren't all that different. However, one obviously feels more "right" to me than the other. In theory, you could make the same comparison between reading books and using drugs. Perhaps I'm asking the wrong people, but is it a fair comparison to make? Pretty much any "escapist" hobby compared to drug use? Again, my gut says they aren't the same but I'm fairly biased I believe.
It depends on the type of usage, for both drugs and video games. Some people do each for recreation and social activity, some people do each to escape what they hate about their lives and don't want to confront. Some people go from the former to the latter. My guess is your friends are in it for fun, but obviously I don't know.
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