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On February 17 2009 12:55 GrayArea wrote:
I think I also am like you in that I don't like the fact of not being in control of what I'm doing.
It's a pretty ignorant stance to blatantly say that alcohol(I can't say anything about drugs since I haven't tried them) causes you to lose control of what you are doing. Oh sure it CAN cause you to lose control of yourself, some people even enjoy getting that shitfaced. If you exercise self restraint in drinking in the first place it is a completely legit experience, you don't lose control of yourself at all.
Have you never actually consumed alcohol before? I would think that you should know this already if you had. There's no way you are going to lose control of your actions after one beer. For most people it would take many more than one.
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On February 17 2009 12:48 Luddite wrote:
if you've never tried it, you really can't judge since you have no idea what it's like.
Most juries couldn't judge murderers then.
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that's a really really stupid comparison
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On February 17 2009 13:20 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
that's a really really stupid comparison
qft.
i smoke weed on a daily basis but not into much else. maybe a little molly here and there but thats it. gotta have respect for those who smoke and those who dont. l0l
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On February 17 2009 12:56 micronesia wrote:
I feel you man. Usually nobody convinces anyone else of anything online regarding this subject, but my advice to you is to just try to be a tad less judgmental but feel free to continue living your life the way you want (without trying shit).
I think this is about where I am. I drink casually with friends but I don't try to get drunk. Even if they're shitfaced, I can usually have almost as much fun without going that far. I grew up in Ann Arbor so I'm pretty indifferent towards weed and I'm plenty familiar, but I won't smoke and I stay away from people that are annoying when high, which is a lot of them. Nothing like having a meaningful conversation with someone who forgets it immediately.
Straight edges unite
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On February 17 2009 13:07 Freyr wrote:
One thing about anti-drug sentiment I might be able to understand is the implication of potentially shady contacts associated with an illegal drug user. This holds true in the majority of instances regardless of their drug of choice.
However, you may want to think about why you're so against their actual use. Are you against the use of all illegal drugs equally? What about legal drugs (caffeine, alcohol, nicotine)? Where do you draw the line, and why exactly? It may interest you to know that Carl Sagan regarded marijuana as an intellectual and creative stimulant, and used it for those purposes. Richard Feynman also refers to using marijuana in his book Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman. There are many additional examples which may easily be found. Surely, such luminaries as these had some idea of what they were doing?
There are a lot of reasons to have negative feelings towards drugs - they do a lot of bad things to a lot of people. However, it is rare to find something that is negative through and through, and it is always extremely dangerous as well as positively pedestrian to level uniform hatred at the entirety of a broad phenomenon.
Depends what you mean by "against" all drugs. If someone let me pick one drug to remove from the planet I'd certainly pick the one that is doing the most "damage." I also don't hold a weed user and a cocaine user in the same light.
Legal "drugs" such as the ones you mentioned I treat somewhat differently. Alcohol has very noticeable effects on people and as such I do lump it almost with some of the illegal drugs like weed. Actually, it's my understanding that alcohol can actually be considered more dangerous than weed. Caffeine I find to largely negligible, as far as I can tell it is doing no serious harm in the sense that it is cheap, doesn't pose horrific health risks, and doesn't really change it's user. Nicotine, or more specifically cigarettes, I dislike for different reasons. They're being stupid because I know and they know it is killing them. The effects are drastic, understood, and universally known to be dangerous by anyone even remotely intelligent. At least in the US anyway.
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There are lots of reasons to be concerned about drugs, but you (the OP) don't appear to know any of them. The scary part is how drugs affect your brain, not how they make you feel or the recreation in general. It's just that it's hard to teach little kids neuro-science so they can make informed choices about drugs.
It's really a social issue, and it's more complicated than people just being stupid. More often people don't know what they're doing to themselves until it's too late. It's a sad state of affairs that's more deserving pity than disdain.
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On February 17 2009 13:26 Mindcrime wrote:
I love drugs.
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well you seem very self aware, thats always good
i cant tell you how to get over your judgmental nature but im sure you'll figure it out.
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anti-drug/cig/alc "hate" from young people comes from their indoctrination as a youth via the media and school systems. kids are flat out lied to, bottom line.
there are ways to abuse or misuse anything, whether negative or positive. you can smoke weed because its fun, or because your life sucks. choice is yours ultimately.
as a child i was extremely anti until i started growing up and experienced new things. richard rodriguez says "as adults we are embarassed of our childhood fears."
lastly, most people that i have met at social gatherings that dont drink are usually people i dont want to be around to begin with, namely that they arent very sociable.
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On February 17 2009 13:30 esla_sol wrote:
anti-drug/cig/alc "hate" from young people comes from their indoctrination as a youth via the media and school systems. kids are flat out lied to, bottom line.
It's always the media's fault. Seriously, I don't think this is it
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On February 17 2009 12:55 Phyre wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2009 12:48 Luddite wrote:
if you've never tried it, you really can't judge since you have no idea what it's like. Yeah, I get that a lot. It's like telling me to find religion and saying "How can you judge until you've tried it?" You don't always need to have experienced something to disagree with it strongly. I got similar arguments when I said fraternities were trash. "You were never in a frat, you wouldn't understand" and stuff like that.
You're right. You're gonna get a lot of potheads responding here, I don't know what you expected.
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On February 17 2009 13:19 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2009 12:48 Luddite wrote:
if you've never tried it, you really can't judge since you have no idea what it's like. Most juries couldn't judge murderers then.
The difference is quantitative rather than qualitative. Of course I've never murdered someone, but I've hurt people before, and I know what death means, so I can imagine what it's like to hurt someone until they die. Whereas if you've never altered you mind with drugs, there's just no comparison. I guess the closest you could come would be like drinking a lot of coffee... but coffee is completely the opposite of alcohol.
Imagine if a 10 year old said "I've never even masturbated, but I think that sex sounds terrible." How the eff would he know?
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On February 17 2009 13:18 SmoKing2012 wrote:
you can hate on drugs all you like, just don't be one of those faggots who calls the cops on kids and there's no problem :D
seriously these people are so gay
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I think travis said it best....
It's definitely a prejudice rather than being naive
There's no question in my (or anyone else's i'm sure) mind that being entirely drug, alcohol, smoke-free is the healthiest way to go. But living life isn't about what you're supposed to do, it's about the shit that you see and do on the way.
I've done a variety of drugs, I drink and I smoke cigarettes, just the latter two now and I honestly feel that I'm better for it, kind of like a been there, done that, type of deal. I've no desire to smoke weed or do any other type of drug other than to go outside with my Coors Light, spark up a Marlboro No. 27 and enjoy the winter sky :p
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"not being in control"
lol 13 year olds
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Assuming most of you are under 30, wait until you turn 55 when all the associated health problems kick in. You might be singing a different tune =P, and trust me, I've seen enough families to know that it's not pleasant.
Anyways, I think we should give the OP a little more respect. The OP mentioned how he knew people who do substance abuse, which is certainly a fair reason to dislike the whole joint in general. A smoke now and then might not be the know-all end-all horror, but abusing drugs definitely destroys its fair share of lives (I at least have my share of friends who got into it and are pretty much lost in life forever), although it's not a fair way to characterize everyone who does alcohol or smoking.
Its' one thing to do drugs by yourself and another to get others into doing drugs (like getting friends over for a smoke), and that line can get pretty thin.
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On February 17 2009 13:36 Quesadilla wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2009 12:55 Phyre wrote:On February 17 2009 12:48 Luddite wrote:
if you've never tried it, you really can't judge since you have no idea what it's like. Yeah, I get that a lot. It's like telling me to find religion and saying "How can you judge until you've tried it?" You don't always need to have experienced something to disagree with it strongly. I got similar arguments when I said fraternities were trash. "You were never in a frat, you wouldn't understand" and stuff like that. You're right. You're gonna get a lot of potheads responding here, I don't know what you expected.
I was just venting but since people are responding I'm finding the various explanations and arguments interesting.
@Aux1: Of course. If someone else wants to smoke up or something it's none of my business. Unless they want to be obnoxious in which case they have it coming. I've got plenty of friends that have used drugs in the past, never ratted anyone out yet.
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On February 17 2009 13:37 Luddite wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2009 13:19 Avidkeystamper wrote:On February 17 2009 12:48 Luddite wrote:
if you've never tried it, you really can't judge since you have no idea what it's like. Most juries couldn't judge murderers then. The difference is quantitative rather than qualitative. Of course I've never murdered someone, but I've hurt people before, and I know what death means, so I can imagine what it's like to hurt someone until they die. Whereas if you've never altered you mind with drugs, there's just no comparison. I guess the closest you could come would be like drinking a lot of coffee... but coffee is completely the opposite of alcohol. Imagine if a 10 year old said "I've never even masturbated, but I think that sex sounds terrible." How the eff would he know?
I think Avidkeystamper's post is correct, since any 10 year old human can still form a rational or irrational opinion based off of what experiences he or she has had in regards to the topic, in this case sex, from any indirect sources, e.g. a movie. Your statement makes it sound as if nothing can be formulated without prior experience, yet your example seems contradictory. Creating a posteriori knowledge about murder by hurting people is similar to how the 10 year old can formulate his or her own opinion based upon gained insights, no?
Edit: Typo. =(
Edit 2: This isn't very coherent...I think, in short, what is the difference between formulating an opinion of murder based off of hurting people and formulating an opinion of sex based off of similar indirect exposures?
Edit 3: Edited the main reply, for clarity, and hopefully, for coherence.
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