I hate drugs.

On February 17 2009 12:48 Luddite wrote:
if you've never tried it, you really can't judge since you have no idea what it's like.

On February 17 2009 12:51 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
you are naive and far too judgemental

with such a sheltered upbringing, though, its not really your fault. the naivety, i mean. being so judgemental is just shitty, especially since you really have no idea what you're talking about on this subject

On February 17 2009 13:00 Phyre wrote:
I feel my reasons for not doing it myself are valid but my utter hatred for the use of the substance by others I understand to not be completely rational. It's something of a gut feeling I can't quite explain. Which is a reason why I don't get in people's faces about it, lest I come off as a fanatic.

On February 17 2009 13:03 HeadBangaa wrote:
travis, where was your 10k?

On February 17 2009 12:55 GrayArea wrote:
I think I also am like you in that I don't like the fact of not being in control of what I'm doing.

On February 17 2009 12:48 Luddite wrote:
if you've never tried it, you really can't judge since you have no idea what it's like.

On February 17 2009 13:20 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
that's a really really stupid comparison

On February 17 2009 12:56 micronesia wrote:
I feel you man. Usually nobody convinces anyone else of anything online regarding this subject, but my advice to you is to just try to be a tad less judgmental but feel free to continue living your life the way you want (without trying shit).

On February 17 2009 13:07 Freyr wrote:
One thing about anti-drug sentiment I might be able to understand is the implication of potentially shady contacts associated with an illegal drug user. This holds true in the majority of instances regardless of their drug of choice.

However, you may want to think about why you're so against their actual use. Are you against the use of all illegal drugs equally? What about legal drugs (caffeine, alcohol, nicotine)? Where do you draw the line, and why exactly? It may interest you to know that Carl Sagan regarded marijuana as an intellectual and creative stimulant, and used it for those purposes. Richard Feynman also refers to using marijuana in his book Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman. There are many additional examples which may easily be found. Surely, such luminaries as these had some idea of what they were doing?

There are a lot of reasons to have negative feelings towards drugs - they do a lot of bad things to a lot of people. However, it is rare to find something that is negative through and through, and it is always extremely dangerous as well as positively pedestrian to level uniform hatred at the entirety of a broad phenomenon.

On February 17 2009 13:26 Mindcrime wrote:
I love drugs.

On February 17 2009 13:30 esla_sol wrote:
anti-drug/cig/alc "hate" from young people comes from their indoctrination as a youth via the media and school systems. kids are flat out lied to, bottom line.

On February 17 2009 12:55 Phyre wrote:

Yeah, I get that a lot. It's like telling me to find religion and saying "How can you judge until you've tried it?" You don't always need to have experienced something to disagree with it strongly. I got similar arguments when I said fraternities were trash. "You were never in a frat, you wouldn't understand" and stuff like that.

On February 17 2009 13:19 Avidkeystamper wrote:

Most juries couldn't judge murderers then.

On February 17 2009 13:18 SmoKing2012 wrote:
you can hate on drugs all you like, just don't be one of those faggots who calls the cops on kids and there's no problem :D

On February 17 2009 13:36 Quesadilla wrote:


You're right. You're gonna get a lot of potheads responding here, I don't know what you expected.

On February 17 2009 13:37 Luddite wrote:

The difference is quantitative rather than qualitative. Of course I've never murdered someone, but I've hurt people before, and I know what death means, so I can imagine what it's like to hurt someone until they die. Whereas if you've never altered you mind with drugs, there's just no comparison. I guess the closest you could come would be like drinking a lot of coffee... but coffee is completely the opposite of alcohol.

Imagine if a 10 year old said "I've never even masturbated, but I think that sex sounds terrible." How the eff would he know?

On February 17 2009 13:44 SerpentFlame wrote:
Assuming most of you are under 30, wait until you turn 55 when all the associated health problems kick in. You might be singing a different tune =P, and trust me, I've seen enough families to know that it's not pleasant.

Anyways, I think we should give the OP a little more respect. The OP mentioned how he knew people who do substance abuse, which is certainly a fair reason to dislike the whole joint in general. A smoke now and then might not be the know-all end-all horror, but abusing drugs definitely destroys its fair share of lives (I at least have my share of friends who got into it and are pretty much lost in life forever), although it's not a fair way to characterize everyone who does alcohol or smoking.

Its' one thing to do drugs by yourself and another to get others into doing drugs (like getting friends over for a smoke), and that line can get pretty thin.

On February 17 2009 13:44 SerpentFlame wrote:
Assuming most of you are under 30, wait until you turn 55 when all the associated health problems kick in. You might be singing a different tune =P, and trust me, I've seen enough families to know that it's not pleasant.

Anyways, I think we should give the OP a little more respect. The OP mentioned how he knew people who do substance abuse, which is certainly a fair reason to dislike the whole joint in general. A smoke now and then might not be the know-all end-all horror, but abusing drugs definitely destroys its fair share of lives (I at least have my share of friends who got into it and are pretty much lost in life forever), although it's not a fair way to characterize everyone who does alcohol or smoking.

Its' one thing to do drugs by yourself and another to get others into doing drugs (like getting friends over for a smoke), and that line can get pretty thin.

On February 17 2009 13:50 Phyre wrote:

You know, that reminds me of something else. Wouldn't be surprised if a good deal of my dislike for drugs stems from the fact that many of my friends stopped being able to have fun doing things without drugs or alcohol. It got weird trying to hang out with them and far less enjoyable to me. I guess I missed late night video gaming and such.

On February 17 2009 13:56 Elementy wrote:
This debate reminds me of some sort of special Olympics debate, even if u win and we are all low life drug addicts. Your still retarded.

On February 17 2009 13:56 Elementy wrote:
This debate reminds me of some sort of special Olympics debate, even if u win and we are all low life drug addicts. Your still retarded.

On February 17 2009 13:55 Jibba wrote:

See, that's pretty understandable. Have you at least tried to hang out with them while they're doing that stuff? It's probably a bit harder with drinking, but it's not like people do anything spectacular that you can't be a part of when they're getting high, and it's not like they're that far out of it. You can just sit there and laugh at the stupid shit they say.

If they're cool people, they'll probably still want to hang and hopefully aren't retarded when they get fucked up.

On February 17 2009 14:33 Phyre wrote:

Yeah, I've hung out with them on quite a few occasions when they've been either drinking or smoking. Honestly, its somewhat entertaining at first to laugh at some of the stupid things they do. When they get high, all they want to do is sit around in a stupor. When they drink they either just sit around and drink or play beer pong. After the first few times it just isn't as amusing and gets boring. While they may find something random like an object in the room or a certain phrase utterly hilarious I obviously don't. And I'm not sure I want to alter myself so that I do.

On February 17 2009 14:38 Aux1 wrote:

if you don't want to be high or drunk with your friends just make new friends who don't smoke or drink, it must be excruciatingly boring to be sober around people who aren't

On February 17 2009 15:38 CDRdude wrote:

I think I see a problem with your statement

On February 17 2009 13:46 Descent wrote:

I think Avidkeystamper's post is correct, since any 10 year old human can still form a rational or irrational opinion based off of what experiences he or she has had in regards to the topic, in this case sex, from any indirect sources, e.g. a movie. Your statement makes it sound as if nothing can be formulated without prior experience, yet your example seems contradictory. Creating a posteriori knowledge about murder by hurting people is similar to how the 10 year old can formulate his or her own opinion based upon gained insights, no?

Edit: Typo. =(

Edit 2: This isn't very coherent...I think, in short, what is the difference between formulating an opinion of murder based off of hurting people and formulating an opinion of sex based off of similar indirect exposures?

Edit 3: Edited the main reply, for clarity, and hopefully, for coherence.

On February 17 2009 15:17 NatsuTerran wrote:
I'm just like the OP. I pretty much hate drug usage for no apparent reason. I think a big part of it is the fact that I am a completely original person who doesn't follow the crowd. That coupled with the idea that drugs are sort of the epitome of peer pressure makes me really disrespect people who use them.

On February 17 2009 15:17 NatsuTerran wrote:
I'm just like the OP. I pretty much hate drug usage for no apparent reason. I think a big part of it is the fact that I am a completely original person who doesn't follow the crowd.

On February 17 2009 15:51 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
it's not healthy to meet things you don't understand with contempt

On February 17 2009 15:17 NatsuTerran wrote:
I'm just like the OP. I pretty much hate drug usage for no apparent reason. I think a big part of it is the fact that I am a completely original person who doesn't follow the crowd. That coupled with the idea that drugs are sort of the epitome of peer pressure makes me really disrespect people who use them.

On February 17 2009 15:55 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
In case someone is going to ask, I've never done a black person and you could probably only fill a milk carton halfway with all the caps I've popped in asses for the sake of being social. So at least I'm not a hypocrite.

On February 17 2009 16:04 Osmoses wrote:

Oh just you wait until you get out of high school and realize you are neither original nor outside the crowd, it'll be wonderful ^^

Of course, when you're done crying you will be the first to start inhaling gaseous happy.

Anyway, as far as weed goes, it's a pretty boring drug imo, it just makes you slow and stupid. I dunno why the rappers keep singing about it.

On February 17 2009 20:34 HamerD wrote:
you need to realise that you can change your outlook on drugs, and your position. Drugs are just escapism. So are video games. There's no difference. Repeatedly taking drugs and repeatedly playing games for long stretches of time are virtually identical as addictions, drugs just go a step further, but that's just what the person is doing to themselves.

Weed without excess really is just like snacking on a few crisps. Heroine addiction is like an obese person stuffing themselves with cake every day. Both are unfortunate. I don't take drugs btw or smoke.

On February 17 2009 15:51 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:

it's not healthy to meet things you don't understand with contempt

On February 17 2009 20:34 HamerD wrote:
you need to realise that you can change your outlook on drugs, and your position. Drugs are just escapism. So are video games. There's no difference. Repeatedly taking drugs and repeatedly playing games for long stretches of time are virtually identical as addictions, drugs just go a step further, but that's just what the person is doing to themselves.

On February 17 2009 23:41 Phyre wrote:

Which brings up another interesting point that I've thought about on many occasions. I've heard people bring up the comparison between drug use and playing video games, saying they aren't all that different. However, one obviously feels more "right" to me than the other. In theory, you could make the same comparison between reading books and using drugs.

Perhaps I'm asking the wrong people, but is it a fair comparison to make? Pretty much any "escapist" hobby compared to drug use? Again, my gut says they aren't the same but I'm fairly biased I believe.

On February 17 2009 22:55 ManBearPig wrote:
In Praise of Drug Use

I don't post a lot, but I like this particular subject. I'm a drug user. I smoke weed on a regular basis, and I have tried MDMA, LSD and shrooms. They were all to my liking. Obviously I have been drunk. I like this (alcohol) as well, but I don't like the hangover it can give you and I especially don't like how aggressive or retarded it can make you when you've had too much.

Psychoactive drugs are, I think, the most interesting. They are used in many cultures in certain rituals. The idea that is presented through this use and that I would like to defend is that in taking certain psychoactive drugs, preferably under the supervision of more experienced 'trippers', one may undergo a change in character, or rather worldview, that will often be beneficial to one's happiness and/or the pursuit thereof. For me, my first trip - shrooms - had quite an enormous effect on my outlook on life and lead me to certain insights that I am quite happy to have attained. One may argue here that it is not at all necessary to take certain psychoactive substances in order to attain such valuable insights; that one may, by reading certain books, for example, question one's outlook on life and possibly change it for the better. This argument may hold in certain cases, but in general, I think, there are but a few people who are so open-minded and critical that they will be able to subject their 'outlook on life' to scrutiny. The benefit that shrooms offer, for example (I think there are other drugs that may better serve the purpose that I have described), is that they will put the user in that place; that is, a state of perplexion, a state in which curiosity reigns, a state in which one may question one's ideals fully and perhaps search oneself for other ideals that are more fitting of a life you really want to lead. Even for very average people, psychoactive drugs may 'get the job done'. Furthermore, even for the critical intellectual that is able to subject oneself to such critical scrutiny by reading Nietzsche for example, the realization of certain ideas may not necessarily make him 'interiorize' these ideas. This is, I think, another advantage of psychoactive drugs: because the experience is so intense and because it alters one's consciousness, it is quite conducive to the interiorisation of certain ideas, certain epiphanies, if you will, that might occur during the trip. You will not only hold these things to be true and just go on living your life; you are more likely to think about these ideas in a different way and indeed to live accordingly.
I believe that having an experience such as this at least once, and preferably every couple of years, is healthy and will indeed increase the chances of your leading a satisfying life.

I don't like the 'if you haven't tried it you don't know wtf you're talking about' argument. In fact, scientific tests concerning the effects of drugs consists mostly of people watching people who took certain drugs and describing/analysing their behavior. You can have a good idea of what it does to you without having tried it. However, in the case of psychoactive drugs, the usefulness of this method is questionable. You will have to listen to the stories of this drug-user in order to get an idea about what exactly it will do to you.
Finally I would like to say that an anti-drug-attitude is created under social pressure and what one might call a weak form of indoctrination. Equally so, it is often peer pressure that would drive one to reject such an attitude and accept a more drug-loving-attitude. Just because peer pressure may drive you to do certain stuff doesn't necessarily mean this stuff is bad. You are formed for a large part by peer pressure (or 'social pressure' to include teachers and parents).

I could write more extensively about this stuff (MDMA for example is entirely different than LSD and shrooms. LSD again is quite different from shooms), but I think this post is already too long.

On February 17 2009 23:52 Jibba wrote:

It depends on the type of usage, for both drugs and video games. Some people do each for recreation and social activity, some people do each to escape what they hate about their lives and don't want to confront. Some people go from the former to the latter. My guess is your friends are in it for fun, but obviously I don't know.

On February 18 2009 00:26 Chef wrote:

What happens when the drugs disappear though, and you go thru withdrawal? And maybe your brain can never produce naturally the chemicals these drugs were replacing for so long? That's what scary about drugs... Your brain starts to think it doesn't need to produce its own chemicals to function normally, and as such when you quit drugs, you can never function as well as if you'd never done them in the first place.

Of course drugs have their place in society, and they will always be useful... But the anti-drug attitude isn't what you say it is. There's not a single parent or teacher I know who doesn't drink alcohol, or hasn't advocated it if only a little. Most North Americans have caffeine on a daily basis. As an adult, there's an immense amount of pressure to drink at any occasion, and when you choose to live your life avoiding drug use as much as possible (that is, if you had surgery you'd accept pain killers, but you wouldn't take them for fun), you end up feeling very isolated and alone, especially when you have drank a lot before. I really wish I'd understood the subject when they were teaching neuro-science in highschool, but it just didn't make sense to me, and they only did a few days on it. In retrospect it isn't that terribly complicated, but it is abstract and hard to understand when you have a million misconceptions about how the body works. As soon as I'd only began to understand it I swore off the alcohol. Understanding it more today than I did the day I quit, I realise just what parts of myself I may never get back.

It's a personal choice, and I don't say anyone who does drugs is stupid or evil. But just that people should respect that some want to utilize their bodies in different ways.

On February 18 2009 00:28 Phyre wrote:
They joke about not being able to deal with the daily grind without drugs/alcohol to escape it for awhile, but I think (and hope) it's more for the fun of it.

On February 17 2009 16:04 Osmoses wrote:

Oh just you wait until you get out of high school and realize you are neither original nor outside the crowd, it'll be wonderful ^^

Of course, when you're done crying you will be the first to start inhaling gaseous happy.

Anyway, as far as weed goes, it's a pretty boring drug imo, it just makes you slow and stupid. I dunno why the rappers keep singing about it.

On February 18 2009 05:14 NatsuTerran wrote:

Not only that, but I am extremely closed off to any new experiences. I simply hate trying anything new.

On February 18 2009 05:02 Rho_ wrote:


I'm not sure there is a difference between doing something because it's fun and doing something because you want to escape the daily grind. The grind is, by definition, things that aren't fun. So when you do something that is fun, you're escaping the grind.

I like the fact that you can acknowledge that your judgment of others for their choices is irrational. Tolerance is one of the more important skills you can learn in life, and it seems like you're on that path. Judge not, lest ye be judged.

On February 18 2009 05:45 KOFgokuon wrote:


now this is stupid for SOO many reasons
you won't try new foods?
you won't try a new brand of clothes?
you won't date a different type of girl? or what if you haven't dated a girl yet, you won't date anyone?!
you won't try driving a new car?
you won't fly abroad to visit a new country?

On February 18 2009 06:03 NatsuTerran wrote:


No, I try things when I know I'm going to like them. If I have any doubts I don't try something. Which is why I find drug use to be completely irrational. How can you not have doubts about trying something like that. I'm not stupid man, I enjoy my life a ton more than most of the people on this site seem to.

On February 18 2009 06:03 NatsuTerran wrote:


No, I try things when I know I'm going to like them. If I have any doubts I don't try something. Which is why I find drug use to be completely irrational. How can you not have doubts about trying something like that. I'm not stupid man, I enjoy my life a ton more than most of the people on this site seem to.

On February 18 2009 05:56 Jibba wrote:

There's recreation time, and then there's just avoiding responsibilities. Hardcore gaming/drug use falls under #2.

On February 18 2009 06:41 NatsuTerran wrote:
I completely disagree. I'm happy the way I am, let's keep it that way. I'm not as close-minded as my above post may have led you. I tried a food I've never heard of before the past couple weeks. I talk to different people, with different opinions. And pretty much anything Kofgokuon mentioned.

Let's put it this way. A lot of people in this forum seem to have a lot of hate/disrespect for emo kids for w/e reason. The same answer you use to describe that can be said for my distaste for drug users.

On February 18 2009 07:09 NatsuTerran wrote:
I'm not meaning to come off as being stuck up or better than anyone. Sorry if anyone is offended. I just have my own values which aren't really based off of anything concrete.

On February 18 2009 06:03 NatsuTerran wrote:


No, I try things when I know I'm going to like them. If I have any doubts I don't try something. Which is why I find drug use to be completely irrational. How can you not have doubts about trying something like that. I'm not stupid man, I enjoy my life a ton more than most of the people on this site seem to.

On February 18 2009 07:37 koreasilver wrote:
Guys.

Premarital sex is a sin.

On February 18 2009 07:55 NatsuTerran wrote:
First of all, I never mentioned any nonfactual information used by DARE or w/e. I never claimed to have knowledge about it in the first place. Secondly, I just REALLY hate the whole drug culture. That is my main reason. It isn't that I think I will die at age 30 if I touch marijuana. I just cannot stand the people who use drugs, in much the same way I cannot stand religious people.

On February 18 2009 07:55 NatsuTerran wrote:
First of all, I never mentioned any nonfactual information used by DARE or w/e. I never claimed to have knowledge about it in the first place. Secondly, I just REALLY hate the whole drug culture. That is my main reason. It isn't that I think I will die at age 30 if I touch marijuana. I just cannot stand the people who use drugs, in much the same way I cannot stand religious people.

On February 17 2009 17:08 Osmoses wrote:
You shouldn't mix pills and alcohol, I'd assume the same goes for weed and whatever I might lace it with. I've scientifically deduced that alcohol + weed = vomiting.

And why lace the weed when I can just do a better drug to begin with?

On February 18 2009 11:40 Phyre wrote:
While I have you guys on the topic, I've got another question for you guys that use drugs. If you ever had a child what would your stance on drug use for them be? Logically, if you guys think it's just fine for your own personal use then you should have no problem with your kid doing the same at a similar age. However, I've heard of plenty of people that are all for sex but once they have a kid it's like the rules completely change so I'm curious if any of you have a similar mindset.

Just a random thought that I was thinking about when reading over some of the responses.

On February 18 2009 12:07 feathers wrote:
I can promise you one thing, death will take us all
I can promise you one thing, you will die alone

We're all going to Hell, we may as well go out in style
Death is a promise, and your life is a fucking lie

I've said it before, and I'll say it again
If you think you're alive then you're better off dead

On February 18 2009 07:37 koreasilver wrote:
Guys.

Premarital sex is a sin.

On February 18 2009 15:13 SerpentFlame wrote:
Drugs have been compared to SC, but there's a lot of evidence to show drugs are far more addicting? I know enough people to know that some are completely addicted to the hookah (FAR more than any anime or SC freak is) and basically wither without it, and after they took pot, don't show up to school as often and ditch days

(there's plenty of scientific evidence to show what it does to your brain, in terms of destroying drive and shrinking your penis). Yes its not totally attributed to pot, but its still a piece of the pie.

As for contempt for something you've never tried, there's enough science to show that it's bad for you, and that should be enough

(marijuana is definitely bad for you, and all pro-marijuana studies (not many of which of course, are really conducted in the US) only argue that marijuana "isn't as bad as cigarettes, which is of course, still up for scientific debate). I'm pretty sure the OP's not contemptuous of druggies because he's never tried drugs before,

as anti-drug hate isn't about how high you get or how enjoyable it is.

On February 18 2009 15:14 CaucasianAsian wrote:
Life is a bitch
then you die
so fuck the world
and lets all get high

On February 18 2009 16:24 feathers wrote:
fyi, most people smoke weed or drink so you must hate a lot of people.

On February 18 2009 16:24 feathers wrote:
fyi, most people smoke weed or drink so you must hate a lot of people.

On February 26 2009 03:45 ZeeTemplar wrote:
From personal experience I find drugs to be the most pathetic form of escape. The only purpose for drugs I would even consider is for medical use. Now, I have had family members and friends that have done a wide range of drugs and none I see fit to be socially accepted. Like the few that don't fuck yes the horse I ride on is high. I am glad I do ride on this horse. No I am not shetlered and naive on this subject. The world is going into a shit hole. :/. Maybe being raised by my conservative grandparents while my parents went off and did drugs at "social" gatherings made me this way.

Drinking is different. I have no problem with people drinking its the people that get shit faced drunk and then ask you the next day, "Hey man what happened last night?" that bother me. Control yourself and grow up a little. :/

Ill read up more and what not. Im off to class though sooooooooo BBL

On February 26 2009 03:59 minus_human wrote:



good point, but I think its logical for drugs to be the worse/most pathetic form of escapism since it's the most extreme form (physical-wise, from a chemical point of view)

Alcohol and weed are not that worse, but they can often lead to stupid shit. Basically you have to be mature about it, and you'll be in control, even while drunk.

On February 19 2009 04:04 Pwntrucci[sR] wrote:
Drugs killed layne staley : ' (

Whateva floats your canoe though.

On February 26 2009 03:45 ZeeTemplar wrote:
Drinking is different. I have no problem with people drinking its the people that get shit faced drunk and then ask you the next day, "Hey man what happened last night?" that bother me. Control yourself and grow up a little. :/

On February 19 2009 04:04 Pwntrucci[sR] wrote:
Drugs killed layne staley : ' (

Whateva floats your canoe though.

Marijuana hasn't been proven to have any health detriments despite tons of governemnt funding specifically looking for those dangers

http://www2.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoenix/news/national/story.html?id=615ccf67-664b-445e-8104-a85d226d4959

The link between marijuana use and schizophrenia is generally accepted in the psychiatric community. The problem is that the vulnerable population -- mostly teenagers -- generally isn't eager to absorb the message.

On February 27 2009 23:35 Epicfailguy wrote:
In other words, if you get it from smoking, you would get it at a later stage in live anyway.

On February 27 2009 23:35 Epicfailguy wrote:
The link between marijuana and schizo is pretty clear, however it as far as I know, it doesnt make you go schizo, it just makes it happen faster. In other words, if you get it from smoking, you would get it at a later stage in live anyway.

I cant back this up though, its just what I've read on several websites.

On February 28 2009 02:49 Epicfailguy wrote:
Im starting to think that its brought it out in me :-/
Thats the only reason I've read up on these things, couse now I've started to hear shit.
It isnt comming right out of the blue though, its like when im lying in bed at night, and the fridge starts making this low buzzy sound, it sounds like someone whispering or sometimes screams really low...This is the only sympton I've got though, so its probably nothing, but still a bit scary :S

On February 28 2009 03:26 Epicfailguy wrote:
:o

I smoke brown now, and I've done it for the past 4 months.

Edit: I read about it and yeah, it sounds reasonable but none of my friends have complained about similar effects..then again I never told them so who knows :D

On February 28 2009 07:14 Navane wrote:
I envy you. I stayed clean for a long time in my life. Drugs are one of many weaknesses. If you can stay clear of them, respect to you. But don't you have your own weaknesses?

On February 28 2009 09:02 Hypnosis wrote:
Anyone who has a really strong "dislike" or hatred towards what others are doing has some major character flaws. Why does it bother you so much that OTHER people do drugs? It is an unfounded argument and it shows that you lack self confidence because you are worried about other people. And im 100% sure that you cannot judge drugs like weed and alcohol if you have never tried them. Very ignorant blog.1/5

On February 28 2009 10:02 Chef wrote:

It's natural and normal to judge and be interested in your fellow man's behaviours, not a character flaw. I believe it's intrinsic to every human being to feel a sense of duty to help their fellow man. Whether they're actually helping, or they just think they are, is irrelevant... I'm just trying to say it's normal to be concerned with the behaviour of the people who surround you.

You can judge alcohol and any other drug if you've never tried it before. That's a really silly thing to say. No one is saying these drugs won't make you feel good. They're judging whether or not that's such a great thing.

On February 28 2009 12:52 Hypnosis wrote:


Yes but to be utterly opposed to something without fully investigating why people do drugs and without doing them yourself is just ignorant. It is obviously an ideal STRONGLY pushed into phyre by his parents or maybe he just never was part of the party scene in college/high school and never got accustomed to drinking/smoking weed and whatever else. I was not really into the big party scene but I have done my fair share of drinking and smoking and I can tell you it is not that bad if you balance it with responsibility. Sometimes if you are not a part of something you lean towards hating it. It easy to say you hate something but harder to say you really like it. If you haven't tried it then you clearly do not have a basis. And just from "seeing other people" do drugs (which i doubt you have actually experienced first hand from what I read. By first hand i mean you have been to lots of parties with drugs users, friends who do drugs and do drugs yourself.) you can't have a truly strong basis. Have people in your life ACTUALLY ruined their lives from drugs?? If not your argument is unfounded as I said before.

On February 28 2009 12:52 Hypnosis wrote:


Yes but to be utterly opposed to something without fully investigating why people do drugs and without doing them yourself is just ignorant. It is obviously an ideal STRONGLY pushed into phyre by his parents or maybe he just never was part of the party scene in college/high school and never got accustomed to drinking/smoking weed and whatever else. I was not really into the big party scene but I have done my fair share of drinking and smoking and I can tell you it is not that bad if you balance it with responsibility. Sometimes if you are not a part of something you lean towards hating it. It easy to say you hate something but harder to say you really like it. If you haven't tried it then you clearly do not have a basis. And just from "seeing other people" do drugs (which i doubt you have actually experienced first hand from what I read. By first hand i mean you have been to lots of parties with drugs users, friends who do drugs and do drugs yourself.) you can't have a truly strong basis. Have people in your life ACTUALLY ruined their lives from drugs?? If not your argument is unfounded as I said before.

On February 28 2009 09:02 Hypnosis wrote:
Anyone who has a really strong "dislike" or hatred towards what others are doing has some major character flaws. Why does it bother you so much that OTHER people do drugs? It is an unfounded argument and it shows that you lack self confidence because you are worried about other people. And im 100% sure that you cannot judge drugs like weed and alcohol if you have never tried them. Very ignorant blog.1/5

On February 28 2009 09:51 mog87 wrote:
You are a very naive person, drugs tend to mimic already existing chemicals in the body, no one ever died from smoking weed. While some drugs are worse than others, it is dumb so lump them all in together. Stop looking down on other people because they know how to have a little fun, in short dont be a lame judgmental prude.

On February 28 2009 11:48 Physician wrote:
This reply goes mainly to counter balance Tasteless post, who because of who he is, might have a greater influence on others than he might actually ever believe but it also goes to anyone else reading that might be pro-drug use or might have seen my first post as not anti-drug. I just have to be the obnoxious adult in this one even though I understand were his coming from.

There are several caveats no one is mentioning that I wish to add to the unsuspecting reader.

"dude don't be a wuz, experiment once everything!"

- some drugs will cause permanent damage and give you absolutely nothing for it. Sniff glue and your IQ will drop ten points forever after a few uses, your coordination and reaction time will be hurt for life.. and if your unlucky many years later a doctor will have to explain to you why you kidney function sucks or you now have a liver tumor..

"woo hooo had a great time for few hours at a rave and it really opened my mind but paid for it for years after!"

- some drugs cause no meaningful harm, but unless you are making them yourself or growing them yourself YOU WILL NEVER REALLY KNOW WHAT OTHER CRAP THEY COME WITH
drug makers in general don't give a hoots ass about minor contaminants that can be very harmful.. ...there is one that sometimes shows up in ecstasy and meth that will give you 100% chance of getting Parkinson later on in life (and early too).. etc..
Is it worth the risk?

why the phuck can't I function without my adderall? what twitch? oh that had it since I was young.

- many drugs have very different effects on the developing mind than on the already developed mind. Very little research has been done on the subject for obvious reasons and what little animal research has been done on the matter, in general drugs that affect the mind can be more harmful or the changes they can can cause tend to be less reversible on the developing minds than on the adult minds. Which do what and which are more dangerous? Do your own research! But not on yourself lol.. So if your mind if you are under 19 and you haven't tried drugs, stay clean for you own good, there is a whole life ahead to phuck yourself up lol..

- there is such a thing as an addictive personality, in fact there are a couple of genes already associated not only with addictive personality but also with specific drug addictions - which is why even if you are responsible and an adult you can end up ruining your life if you just "try" or "experiment" with drugs - in other words by the time you find out you probably had the wrong gene your screwed. From this perspective if you balance all the risks, on health and the legal ones that are sometimes just as important, you might as well do yourself a favor and avoid drug use of any kind. I include alcohol too here that happens to have a well proven and unfortunate genetic predisposition in some people, no matter how superior or disciplined they see themselves etc..

- then there is people whose mind is not in the best shape to start with, i.e. those battling depression, ocd, schizophrenia, anxiety disorders etc.. recreational drugs in some of these cases just end up with one dead dude or their conditons simply worsen until they end up in prison or in an institution. You say evolution at work? Wait till it's you brother or family member..

The choices we make as we grow up can have dramatic effects on us. One wrong choice and bye bye good life and sometimes you can even forget ever getting a chance to taste life properly. If you stay free of drugs, you can enjoy life fully while at the same time avoid many health and legal hazards associated with drugs that can only pull you down. We can't avoid everything that is bad and we can't live in fear about this or that BUT WE DEFINITIVELY AVOID stuff that we seen phuck up people over and over. Work in any ER and you will realize the other side drugs not many see. Its phucking sad to see young people die or end up with fried brains..

The "recreation" in recreational drugs in general is WAY over-valued and over-hyped. Many are outright unpleasant and some can only do their thing after habitual use. I haven't seen also no one even consider or add up the financial costs they carry. Save your money for better more meaningful things in life and you will be better off.

In other words the benefits of not using recreational drugs far outweighs the little benefits you might find in them.

On March 01 2009 03:57 Jibba wrote:
I think Physician would say that even experienced trippers can't help you with your body's chemistry. Some people don't suffer long term problems, others do, EVEN if taken in a proper manner.

On February 28 2009 14:36 Phyre wrote:
@Tasteless: That's cool and all that you were able to do so much whilst making use of a variety of drugs, but as I believe you already mentioned, I don't think most people are capable of doing the same. You're probably more the lucky/stronger minority than the majority.

You do bring up an interesting point though about not living life with a seatbelt, helmet, etc. This may be another reason I feel the way I do, but it's my nature to be as safe as possible within reason. I'm not what you'd call an adventurous person, I seek predictability and consistency in most aspects of life. So in terms of approaching life with protection, other may be wearing a seatbelt or a helmet but I'm bringing a tank. At least in mindset, not always in practice. Might explain a few things. For the record though, please don't confuse being safe with living a sheltered life.

Just out of curiosity though, do you wear seatbelts then?

On March 01 2009 06:29 MyLostTemple wrote:


yeah i always wear a seatbelt

On March 01 2009 06:29 MyLostTemple wrote:


yeah i always wear a seatbelt, but i think you missed the point of my argument, i'll admit my analogy wasn't great though. I wear a seatbelt because if i crash in a car i wont flight through the windshield. i don't get some kind of rush or release by not wearing a seatbelt, i don't gain new forms of experience that are beneficial to me in some way either.

The only point in physicians post i completely disagreed with was his claim that the recreational use of drugs was over-hyped. my usage of drugs, particularly psychedelics, has drastically improved my views on art, philosophy, love, friendship, my role in the world and my views on nature. obviously upers and downers can also give people good experiences or no one would do them but people can also be grossly irresponsible with things like this which is why they aren't for everyone.

it sounds like your just a person who behaves very conservatively and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. however you shouldn't hate other people for the life choices they make, they're just people. if you really hate drugs like weed that much then you should probably have the same problem with anti-depressants and bi-polar medication.

On March 01 2009 14:19 Phyre wrote:
One other thing I was thinking about, where do you guys stand on cigarettes? Most of the drug users here have been using weed as an example citing that it's not harmful and thus not that bad. However, cigs from what I understand are 100% linked to lung cancer and a number of awful ailments as well as being horrifically addictive. Seems all around pretty bad. Do you condone it's use in the same way?

On March 01 2009 14:19 Phyre wrote:
One other thing I was thinking about, where do you guys stand on cigarettes? Most of the drug users here have been using weed as an example citing that it's not harmful and thus not that bad. However, cigs from what I understand are 100% linked to lung cancer and a number of awful ailments as well as being horrifically addictive. Seems all around pretty bad. Do you condone it's use in the same way?

On February 17 2009 23:51 naventus wrote:


But as such, I don't really see it as something to be glorified or defended. My experience with drug users, and especially potsmokers, is that they get super butthurt and defensive (like FakeSteve) when anyone questions the rationale behind drug use. The fact is that they are just as much guilty of having a prejudiced/biased view.

I can only imagine people getting so worked up about something that is really crucial to their lives - and if defending pot use is one of them, then perhaps pot is a bigger part of who you are than you have intended it to be.

On March 01 2009 14:19 Phyre wrote:

Just to be clear, I don't believe I said anywhere that I hate the people that do drugs. I may pity some, be disappointed at others, or even just be indifferent in some cases. I take that on the case to case basis. I believe my stance was that I hate what it does to people, the mindset and culture that follows it, etc. I've been giving it a fair amount of thought though after reading through this thread a few times and I'm finding that perhaps I was too much of an... extremist perhaps? I'm rethinking a lot of things. I'm standing firm that I'll never try the stuff, but yeah, re evaluating a lot.

Why should I have a problem with anti-depressants and bi-polar medication if I hate weed though? I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at.

One other thing I was thinking about, where do you guys stand on cigarettes? Most of the drug users here have been using weed as an example citing that it's not harmful and thus not that bad. However, cigs from what I understand are 100% linked to lung cancer and a number of awful ailments as well as being horrifically addictive. Seems all around pretty bad. Do you condone it's use in the same way?

On February 17 2009 23:51 naventus wrote:


I think this is true. Fundamentally, a lot of the entertainment we seek are just forms of escapism. One thing that drugs might do better than video games is bring together a group of friends, since it's often a social activity (as opposed to online multiplayer or w/e).

But as such, I don't really see it as something to be glorified or defended. My experience with drug users, and especially potsmokers, is that they get super butthurt and defensive (like FakeSteve) when anyone questions the rationale behind drug use. The fact is that they are just as much guilty of having a prejudiced/biased view.

I can only imagine people getting so worked up about something that is really crucial to their lives - and if defending pot use is one of them, then perhaps pot is a bigger part of who you are than you have intended it to be.

On February 17 2009 12:55 Phyre wrote:

Yeah, I get that a lot. It's like telling me to find religion and saying "How can you judge until you've tried it?" You don't always need to have experienced something to disagree with it strongly. I got similar arguments when I said fraternities were trash. "You were never in a frat, you wouldn't understand" and stuff like that.

On March 02 2009 15:41 MyLostTemple wrote:


the point i was making was that anti-depressants and bi-polar meds are drugs just like pot. in fact many people have negative side effects from anti-depressants and bi-polar meds. why are you generalizing "bad drugs" to be everything that's illegal besides alcohol. many prescription meds (like xanix or adderall) can have great utility but also can lead to dependence and abuse.

i'm really curious exactly how your friends are behaving on weed and alcohol because it's quite possible your friends specifically are just really annoying or retarded when they do this stuff. maybe they're completely irresponsible or juvenile.

what is this "drug culture" you're talking about? you've thrown that word around like there's some overarching scene that drug users categorically fit into; and further more, what "mind set" are you talking about? by "mind set" do you mean the attitude drug users have towards their lives and drug use? because if that's what you're talking about i don't think there's some super category that all these people fit into. It just sounds like you're stero-typing things. like i said; I'm under the impression this has more to do with your friends and how they behave on alcohol and pot, yet you seem to be shifting the dislike onto the drugs themselves.

Do your friends pressure people who can't handle much into getting way to drunk and becoming sick? do they sit around drawing dicks on people who pass out? are they the kind of guys who try to get girls way toooo drunk and rape them? Do they use alcohol or weed as some mechanism to abuse power over other people? I can think of a few assholes in college who did stuff like that but at the end of the day those kind of people are just the wrong people to hang out with. Is that the culture you're talking about? If it is then i'm not surprised you would jump to the conclusion of hating drugs. If this isn't the type of behavior you're seeing, what is it exactly that they're doing that upsets you to this degree??

On the subject of cigs; obviously they can lead to lung cancer and are addictive, actually much more addictive than many other drugs. I have smoked for several years, although very VERY lightly. sometimes i don't smoke for an entire month. People who smoke know exactly what they're doing to their bodies, it's a life style choice. it doesn't mean it's bad, it can just be very unhealthy but it's only 'all around bad' if you are judging based on physical health.

On March 03 2009 14:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
the condescending attitude of people on the other side of the coin is just a natural reaction to statements like the ones in your OP. check this out:

"i hate starcraft. i've never played it, but i've seen my friends play it, and they say stupid shit like 'gee gee'. I will never play starcraft and tend to look down on those who do'

On March 03 2009 14:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
well drugs are obviously not for you, so avoid them. i don't think you'd enjoy what they do to you

the condescending attitude of people on the other side of the coin is just a natural reaction to statements like the ones in your OP. check this out:

"i hate starcraft. i've never played it, but i've seen my friends play it, and they say stupid shit like 'gee gee'. I will never play starcraft and tend to look down on those who do'

seems kind of silly, doesn't it? on top of that, because of the subject matter we're talking about here, you are basically calling casual drug users on TL degenerate scum. it's really not fair to assume things about you either, but this really is exactly what programs like D.A.R.E. promote in people (as an example, tbh i don't think anyone took dare seriously), so that's where it comes from. it simply isn't a reasonable conclusion to come to if everything is based on your own experiences, so 95% of the people who are so firmly anti-drug really just don't know what they're talking about, or have really boring friends. the other 5% are people who have lost friends to heroin ODs or come from a family of crack dealers, shady stuff that can and should give you a negative viewpoint on the subject

just boils down to what i said initially, it's unhealthy to meet things you don't understand with contempt. whether i smoke pot or you smoke pot has nothing to do with it. i'd never jump out of a fucking airplane with a rag in a backpack, but i'm not going to condemn skydivers