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Sticking every drug under the same umbrella as though they are all the same is rather onerous to me. Alcohol is a dangerous drug that makes people aggressive and irrational, has a lethal dose uncomfortably close to its effective dose, has tremendous health consequences and is highly addictive. Marijuana hasn't been proven to have any health detriments despite tons of governemnt funding specifically looking for those dangers, it makes its users docile and easy to deal with, has no lethal dose and nothing besides an ill defined "Psychological addiction".
I get upset that the law and DARE and all the other propaganda refuses to recognize the difference between drugs that are truly harmful and those that are pretty much safe. Anybody who isn't inebriated by the propaganda can see that alcohol is a much worse and more dangerous drug than is Marijuana. Yet Alcohol can be purchased in every convenience store while Marijuana is banned under schedule I which even worse, disingenously claims no medical benefit. Similarly under Schedule 1 are the psychedelics Psilocybin, LSD, DMT and others, all of which have no effective lethal dose and can be considered non toxic. They are the only known cure for cluster headaches and for combating an array of psychological disorders (anxiety, OCD, PTSD, even addiction) they blow the legal alternatives out of the water. Marijuana is by far the most cost effective and useful drug in combating the effects of chemotherapy (it replaces a whole battery of drugs that have who knows what kind of interactions and long term health damage, and does it better than that battery).
So you and you're irrational viewpoint contribute to the proganda, the lack of willingness to open our eyes and be reasonable about what is a dangerous drug and what is not.
Furthermore it's dangerous. A teenager who finds out that his school and his government have flat out lied to him about the dangers of Marijuana is liable to believe that everything the anti drug people told him was bullshit. Then they get into Cocaine and heroin - the actual dangerous drugs.
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You realise alcohol being a terrible drug doesn't prove marijuana is a good one? It might seem hypocritical, but it's more complicated than that. It's harder to suddenly make a widely used drug illegal, if it used to be legal. That doesn't mean we should suddenly legalize drugs that are equally or less dangerous than alcohol.
Marijuana hasn't been proven to have any health detriments despite tons of governemnt funding specifically looking for those dangers
Do you check with them often? I don't know about it's effects on the brain (really, altering your brain frequently in any way isn't exactly safe), but I know for sure than inhaling smoke isn't healthy. You'll still get crap building up in your lungs.
http://www2.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoenix/news/national/story.html?id=615ccf67-664b-445e-8104-a85d226d4959
The link between marijuana use and schizophrenia is generally accepted in the psychiatric community. The problem is that the vulnerable population -- mostly teenagers -- generally isn't eager to absorb the message.
I'd say that's a health detriment. It says it's linked to people already vulnerable, but how many people check whether they're vulnerable or not? And how many brain dead potheads have I met? You can say there's 'nothing that proves marijuana is detrimental to health' all you want, but I think that's more because research hasn't had long enough. You can't do long term research in under a decade. Just like a person seems relatively normal after drinking daily for a year, you can't say the impact won't be noticeable in another decade.
Brain chemistry is complicated... It's your choice if you want to take the risk, but you should know it's a risk. To say it's completely safe is just hilariously naive.
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The link between marijuana and schizo is pretty clear, however it as far as I know, it doesnt make you go schizo, it just makes it happen faster. In other words, if you get it from smoking, you would get it at a later stage in live anyway.
I cant back this up though, its just what I've read on several websites.
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On February 27 2009 23:35 Epicfailguy wrote:
In other words, if you get it from smoking, you would get it at a later stage in live anyway.
That's what several studies have indicated. But most journalists/people/politicians spin it as WEED MAKES YOU CRAZY! When, in reality, you'd have to be a dormant whacko to have it happen in the first place
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On February 27 2009 23:35 Epicfailguy wrote:
The link between marijuana and schizo is pretty clear, however it as far as I know, it doesnt make you go schizo, it just makes it happen faster. In other words, if you get it from smoking, you would get it at a later stage in live anyway.
I cant back this up though, its just what I've read on several websites.
the link is basically that something like 10% of the population has dormant schizophrenia and marijuana can bring it out
generally if you've smoked weed for a few months and you haven't gone crazy, it's not possible for you
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Valhalla18444 Posts
also lol at everyone who thinks 100% of drug users are just doing so to forget problems
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Im starting to think that its brought it out in me :-/
Thats the only reason I've read up on these things, couse now I've started to hear shit.
It isnt comming right out of the blue though, its like when im lying in bed at night, and the fridge starts making this low buzzy sound, it sounds like someone whispering or sometimes screams really low...This is the only sympton I've got though, so its probably nothing, but still a bit scary :S
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
On February 28 2009 02:49 Epicfailguy wrote:
Im starting to think that its brought it out in me :-/
Thats the only reason I've read up on these things, couse now I've started to hear shit.
It isnt comming right out of the blue though, its like when im lying in bed at night, and the fridge starts making this low buzzy sound, it sounds like someone whispering or sometimes screams really low...This is the only sympton I've got though, so its probably nothing, but still a bit scary :S
your weed is laced with pcp. yes i'm serious. get a new dealer. do you smoke brown or green stuff?
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:o
I smoke brown now, and I've done it for the past 4 months.
Edit: I read about it and yeah, it sounds reasonable but none of my friends have complained about similar effects..then again I never told them so who knows :D
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
I feel the need to post on this blog.
I've tried several drugs ranging from, class A to class C, and i am happy i've done so. drugs have had an incredible positive impact on my life and i have no regret engaging in such behavior. obviously some people use drugs to escape their problems; but people use all sorts of stuff to escape their problems whether that be drugs, starcraft or building miniature trains in their basement. Responsibility is what should be preached, not fear mongering on a bunch of chemicals you can put in your brain. i had a semester in college where i was trying every drug imaginable and still getting a 3.4 gpa, tutoring philosophy, competed on the A team in parliamentary debate raping some ivy league schools, Working out 3 days a week, finishing with B as protoss on iccup (not my best but it was busy that semester), and had an academic journal asking for one of my papers to be published. i think i has more to do with the biology of the person and the attitude they take towards life.
To an extent i sympathize with the OP. I was once a strait edge kid who didn't even drink coffee. I thought my brain was pure and nothing should taint it. Believe me when i say i was very proud of my stance against any and all forms of intoxication. But eventually i realized that many Americans and others in the world grow up with puritan values, they grow up with this general belief that excess or intoxication of any form is a bad thing, whether that be food, sex, drugs or time in front of your computer. I'm sorry but i really just don't buy this philosophy any more. I'm not going to sit around living life with a seatbelt, helmet, protective eye-wear, a life vest and water wings on. i'm a sentient being that will die in under a 100 years and i'm going to taste the fruits of life while i'm here--not hate on things i'm too scared or uncomfortable to try. there will surely be some good and some bad experiences with anything, but i guess that's what comes with the territory
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
On February 28 2009 03:26 Epicfailguy wrote:
:o
I smoke brown now, and I've done it for the past 4 months.
Edit: I read about it and yeah, it sounds reasonable but none of my friends have complained about similar effects..then again I never told them so who knows :D
brown weed is much more likely to be caked with PCP than green weed. your dealer is selling some bad stuff. just switch and the effects should go away. i've seen similar complaints from tl.net users and it's always brown shit laced with pcp that they're smoking.
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I envy you. I stayed clean for a long time in my life. Drugs are one of many weaknesses. If you can stay clear of them, respect to you. But don't you have your own weaknesses?
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man i can't remember if i posted in this thread already but i LOVE smoking weed
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Anyone who has a really strong "dislike" or hatred towards what others are doing has some major character flaws. Why does it bother you so much that OTHER people do drugs? It is an unfounded argument and it shows that you lack self confidence because you are worried about other people. And im 100% sure that you cannot judge drugs like weed and alcohol if you have never tried them. Very ignorant blog.1/5
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
On February 28 2009 07:14 Navane wrote:
I envy you. I stayed clean for a long time in my life. Drugs are one of many weaknesses. If you can stay clear of them, respect to you. But don't you have your own weaknesses?
were you asking me this?
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You are a very naive person, drugs tend to mimic already existing chemicals in the body, no one ever died from smoking weed. While some drugs are worse than others, it is dumb so lump them all in together. Stop looking down on other people because they know how to have a little fun, in short dont be a lame judgmental prude.
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On February 28 2009 09:02 Hypnosis wrote:
Anyone who has a really strong "dislike" or hatred towards what others are doing has some major character flaws. Why does it bother you so much that OTHER people do drugs? It is an unfounded argument and it shows that you lack self confidence because you are worried about other people. And im 100% sure that you cannot judge drugs like weed and alcohol if you have never tried them. Very ignorant blog.1/5
It's natural and normal to judge and be interested in your fellow man's behaviours, not a character flaw. I believe it's intrinsic to every human being to feel a sense of duty to help their fellow man. Whether they're actually helping, or they just think they are, is irrelevant... I'm just trying to say it's normal to be concerned with the behaviour of the people who surround you.
You can judge alcohol and any other drug if you've never tried it before. That's a really silly thing to say. No one is saying these drugs won't make you feel good. They're judging whether or not that's such a great thing.
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Last year, I lived with a fucking stoooner...owned two roor bongs, and was baked 24/7. He tried to sling, but ended up smoking half his shit, so was perpetually poor anyway.
This year, one of my roommates was similar (though didn't sling), but also had a looong history of drug experimentation ranging from everything from E to heroin...he had a lot of interesting stories to tell about the Swiss and French drug scenes...haha. A few weeks before he moved out, he and my other roommate got into coke and meth as well.
My other roommate is now a meth addict.
We are all smokers. We all drink often too...
CRAZY CRAZY CRAZY.
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
This reply goes mainly to counter balance Tasteless post, who because of who he is, might have a greater influence on others than he might actually ever believe but it also goes to anyone else reading that might be pro-drug use or might have seen my first post as not anti-drug. I just have to be the obnoxious adult in this one even though I understand were his coming from.
There are several caveats no one is mentioning that I wish to add to the unsuspecting reader.
"dude don't be a wuz, experiment once everything!"
- some drugs will cause permanent damage and give you absolutely nothing for it. Sniff glue and your IQ will drop ten points forever after a few uses, your coordination and reaction time will be hurt for life.. and if your unlucky many years later a doctor will have to explain to you why you kidney function sucks or you now have a liver tumor..
"woo hooo had a great time for few hours at a rave and it really opened my mind but paid for it for years after!"
- some drugs cause no meaningful harm, but unless you are making them yourself or growing them yourself YOU WILL NEVER REALLY KNOW WHAT OTHER CRAP THEY COME WITH
drug makers in general don't give a hoots ass about minor contaminants that can be very harmful.. ...there is one that sometimes shows up in ecstasy and meth that will give you 100% chance of getting Parkinson later on in life (and early too).. etc..
Is it worth the risk?
why the phuck can't I function without my adderall? what twitch? oh that had it since I was young.
- many drugs have very different effects on the developing mind than on the already developed mind. Very little research has been done on the subject for obvious reasons and what little animal research has been done on the matter, in general drugs that affect the mind can be more harmful or the changes they can can cause tend to be less reversible on the developing minds than on the adult minds. Which do what and which are more dangerous? Do your own research! But not on yourself lol.. So if your mind if you are under 19 and you haven't tried drugs, stay clean for you own good, there is a whole life ahead to phuck yourself up lol..
- there is such a thing as an addictive personality, in fact there are a couple of genes already associated not only with addictive personality but also with specific drug addictions - which is why even if you are responsible and an adult you can end up ruining your life if you just "try" or "experiment" with drugs - in other words by the time you find out you probably had the wrong gene your screwed. From this perspective if you balance all the risks, on health and the legal ones that are sometimes just as important, you might as well do yourself a favor and avoid drug use of any kind. I include alcohol too here that happens to have a well proven and unfortunate genetic predisposition in some people, no matter how superior or disciplined they see themselves etc..
- then there is people whose mind is not in the best shape to start with, i.e. those battling depression, ocd, schizophrenia, anxiety disorders etc.. recreational drugs in some of these cases just end up with one dead dude or their conditons simply worsen until they end up in prison or in an institution. You say evolution at work? Wait till it's you brother or family member..
The choices we make as we grow up can have dramatic effects on us. One wrong choice and bye bye good life and sometimes you can even forget ever getting a chance to taste life properly. If you stay free of drugs, you can enjoy life fully while at the same time avoid many health and legal hazards associated with drugs that can only pull you down. We can't avoid everything that is bad and we can't live in fear about this or that BUT WE DEFINITIVELY AVOID stuff that we seen phuck up people over and over. Work in any ER and you will realize the other side drugs not many see. Its phucking sad to see young people die or end up with fried brains..
The "recreation" in recreational drugs in general is WAY over-valued and over-hyped. Many are outright unpleasant and some can only do their thing after habitual use. I haven't seen also no one even consider or add up the financial costs they carry. Save your money for better more meaningful things in life and you will be better off.
In other words the benefits of not using recreational drugs far outweighs the little benefits you might find in them.
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
translation of my replies + Show Spoiler +don't hate, don't do drugs : ) peace out
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