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Films where a 'normal' (usually wise-cracking or particularly stupid and impulsive) person gets thrust into a world of amazing occurrences. It offends me on several levels, and makes me want to throw live grenades at the writers.
Offenders include:
Narnia series
Harry Potter
Recently, 'The Forbidden Kingdom'
Transformers
But there's any number. What I find so fucking irritating is I can just see the writers desperate to relate the story to their target audience. And when you can see writers' intent, it ruins the third wall and makes it difficult to connect with the actual story, making you constantly aware that you are being spun a yarn. (And this is an objection purely against its use in pure stories).
Ofc harry potter and narnia etc have their redeeming features btw, it's just that device which pisses me off. That Philip Pullman is another offender.
Another thing I hate is flashbacks in video games. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT HOW WHAT HAPPENED, HAPPENED, I JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT MY ACTIONS ARE DIRECTLY RELEVANT TO THE CURRENT SITUATION OF THE CHARACTER I AM EMOTIONALLY INVOLVED IN AFTER HAVING PLAYED THE GAME FOR LIKE 10 HOURS ffs. Flashbacks in movies and books suck too.
/endvitriol
 
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The flashback complaint is stupid. Oh, you're involved in the character? Ok, then fuck you, we won't tell you anything about the character. If you just want to play a game with no story, then fucking go play Halo or some shit. Saying you are emotionally attached to a character and then saying you don't give a fuck about their backstory in a game is stupid. Don't play a game with a story then.
Do you also think that Narnia and Harry Potter are breaking the third wall in the books? Are you fucking serious? So basically any book or work of fiction is breaking the third wall if you can relate to it? You don't like being able to see a writer's intent? Are you fucking serious (again)? Maybe you're just so goddamned smart that only you are able to see this desperate attempt to relate the characters to the audience. But god fucking forbid you be able to relate to the character. Wait, how the fuck are you emotionally attached to them then?
LOL
"I DONT CARE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS CHARACTER IVE BEEN PLAYING FOR 10 HOURS"
you fucking magically transport to a random fucking island in the medieval ages with a pistol and a rocket launcher. some goblin creatures land in a giant spacecraft and start shooting at you with lasers while townspeople run around screaming in french. this is all very strange since you were just in vietnam. but fuck flashbacks or any sort of explanation, fuck you, i just want to know how it affects my actions!!!
/rant
sorry lol
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A short paragraph or two about their past, yeah fine. A few intimations, and DEFINITELY a nice deal of speech about their character in an organic conversation. A ham-fisted, 'shit I need to get you up to the right point in the story so I'll flashback for 1 chapter' flashback scene is IMO retarded.
Ps you know this is my opinion? I mean I'm sure you came out spoiling for a fight, perhaps because you get beaten up at school for being emaciated and pasty, but can you try to not be SO angry at someone having a different opinion to you?
And btw I never said that backstory isn't important, that's just your down's syndrome level comprehension skills
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how do these things offend you? if you don't like it don't touch it, don't bitch about it
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Superiorwolf, the point is that I might really really like the work in question, and then they go and ruin my experience with a ham-fisted flashback or just the premise that's it's some retarded wise-cracking american teenager who is the protagonist to which I'm supposed to relate, being the target audience. It just offends my sensibilities, and you don't seem to see the point of a vitriolic blog if you tell me to not bitch about it. I'm just venting here!
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Just making sure, you do know you spelled Hammered wrong right?
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fucking forbidden kingdom was the biggest fucking travesty fucking ever, the only way its even a movie is if it's entitled "BORAT, in ancient china". i cant believe those actors even agreed to that piece of shit movie, i would like to wipe my ass with the manuscript for the movie.
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On January 29 2009 11:07 SnowFantasy wrote:
Just making sure, you do know you spelled Hammered wrong right?
My name is Douglas Hamer, HamerD. Nickname since young age. Other nicknames include 'Warhamer' and 'stop: Hamer time'
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On January 29 2009 11:08 Creationism wrote:
fucking forbidden kingdom was the biggest fucking travesty fucking ever, the only way its even a movie is if it's entitled "BORAT, in ancient china". i cant believe those actors even agreed to that piece of shit movie, i would like to wipe my ass with the manuscript for the movie.
It felt like a kid's movie. I hated the protagonist too, he's high up in my list of 'hey! I know! We might get more money if our target audience can relate to the main character!' crappy characters.
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My problem with flashbacks is that they COMPLETELY lack subtlety. They are a plot hammer smashed into your face. Intimations in a conversation, facts revealed by the main character, a situation which we learn about at the same pace as a normal person who can't see into the past with a tv screen; are much better stimulation for your imagination and getting to grips with the plot.
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On January 29 2009 11:01 HamerD wrote:
A short paragraph or two about their past, yeah fine. A few intimations, and DEFINITELY a nice deal of speech about their character in an organic conversation. A ham-fisted, 'shit I need to get you up to the right point in the story so I'll flashback for 1 chapter' flashback scene is IMO retarded.
Ps you know this is my opinion? I mean I'm sure you came out spoiling for a fight, perhaps because you get beaten up at school for being emaciated and pasty, but can you try to not be SO angry at someone having a different opinion to you?
And btw I never said that backstory isn't important, that's just your down's syndrome level comprehension skills
Calm down noob, you clearly mistook my imitating your post as some sort of attack on you.
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I have an intense hatred of: "people that dont undestand stories for younger people". I mean according to your profile youre 20 WTF¿?. Just read other shit, get over puberty and dont fill TL with trash.
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You know what really pisses me off, pointless writing in video games. GTA4 is one of the most annoying games I have ever played. What the fuck is the point of creating a 5 minute long pointless cinematic at the beginning of a mission? Less than 1% of it is memorable and it just goes on and on and on. I don't want to spend the first hour of playing a game going on a virtual date bowling with a chick. Bowling? Are you fucking kidding me? How did they manage to go from GTA San Andreas to one of the most tedious games I've ever played? I don't get it. Half life 2 and especially the new episodes are even worse in this aspect. At this point makes 0 sense to have a non talking main character while getting locked in rooms for hours to watch some douchy npc babble about gay generic scifi crap. It seems that the more successful some game developers become the more pretentious they get. Half life 1 and GTA2 are still the best games of their series by far.
When you implement writing and acting in a game do it like blizzard, get good writers who know what they're doing and don't implement talking for the sake of talking. Gabe Newell and Dan Houser need to be fired and banned from the gaming industry forever, their material at this point is about as bad as reading 12 year old fanfiction.
I disagree with both your points by the way Hamerd, I don't remember a single game with excessive flashbacks and the thing about movies is a great tool to make you identify with the main character. 2 good guys casually chatting on the other hand while slaying a horde of bad guys, that shit pisses me off. If you aren't Arnold or Clint you can't pull that shit off stop doing this arghhh I just want to bitchslap the directors of LOTR and 300 so badly for this.
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On January 29 2009 11:19 malongo wrote:
I have an intense hatred of: "people that dont undestand stories for younger people". I mean according to your profile youre 20 WTF¿?. Just read other shit, get over puberty and dont fill TL with trash.
Loads of blogs are vents of rage. Get over it. I do read other shit. Why can't I be pissed off at things aimed at people different to me? I have been younger, and was equally irritated when younger. And some films aimed at adults are just as stupid with lame flashbacks. What's wrong with being pissed off at retarded things in life, and expressing it? Half of the critic industry in England is about sheer rage at the incompetence of people. What's wrong with being pissed off at High School Musical or Bridget Jones' Diary? It's my fucking opinion, just because you don't like it when people talk about their personal feelings because your father beat you over his knee when you told him you were interested in men.
I already got one pm from a guy who agreed with me and it felt good to see that someone else feels the same way. Whenever I get pm's like that it always makes me feel nice to see some solidarity and that I'm not alone with my opinion of the world. That's a good feeling, so why shouldn't I recreate it? 90% of the blogs in TL are tosh, and tbh so are 90% of the threads. 90% of life is tosh. Get over it and stop trying to be pithy and cool by using standard buzzphrases like 'get over puberty', it doesn't make you any better at life.
PS Frits that's like the best post I could possibly have expected you making, ever! To disagree with me, but not have to resort to insults and faggy e-penis rhetoric. My hatred of flashbacks is less directed, and more just free-wheeling, but let me just find in my memory a few examples.
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Hmm...most of the time I can get over it, but if the writing is unbearable and the plot that ridiculous, then yeah...it gets ruined for me.
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Phuck it, I can't remember anything with flashbacks right now. My memory is addled from lack of sleep. It sucks! I know there's a bunch. The worst offending flashbacks occur at the beginning of a film, imo. There really couldn't be anything less subtle. The enigma of stories is, for me, the most stimulating.
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So basically you have no imagination whatsoever. Okay.
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On January 29 2009 11:47 zer0das wrote:
So basically you have no imagination whatsoever. Okay.
? My argument is that flashbacks are for people with NO imagination. As opposed to being able to extricate understanding of story from a conversation between characters or a few revealed truths; requiring a whole chapter of unrealistic (from the point of view of any normal observer) exposition of story just so that you can be completely filled in without needing any leaps of imagination, is for me the definition of unimaginative :S.
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I have an intense hatred of this blog.
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On January 29 2009 11:10 HamerD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2009 11:08 Creationism wrote:
fucking forbidden kingdom was the biggest fucking travesty fucking ever, the only way its even a movie is if it's entitled "BORAT, in ancient china". i cant believe those actors even agreed to that piece of shit movie, i would like to wipe my ass with the manuscript for the movie. It felt like a kid's movie. I hated the protagonist too, he's high up in my list of 'hey! I know! We might get more money if our target audience can relate to the main character!' crappy characters.
Not that I'm necessarily disagreeing with either of you, or saying that it was a great movie, but I liked it =P
It had a pretty simple feel to it, nothing too complicated about it at all. And, Sun Wu Kong is just cool. But I will agree that the main character was horribly misplaced and basically just annoying throughout the whole movie.
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I agree with OP in general, but to include Phillip Pullman in that list means that you clearly MISSED his intent, which means that the writer did NOT break the third wall.
Seriously, go look up what His Dark Materials is supposed to be about, read Paradise Lost, and THEN see if you can still call Pullman an offender.
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I recommend you never play MGS4
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I hate people who think your personality is in any way relevant to the time of year you are born and what some civilization deemed that period of time to be in the animal kingdom.
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On January 29 2009 12:09 fanatacist wrote:
I hate people who think your personality is in any way relevant to the time of year you are born and what some civilization deemed that period of time to be in the animal kingdom.
Of all the insults I've had, this is potentially the weakest. So weak that a 50 pound aids victim in a coma could beat it in an arm wrestle.
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transformers addressed some serious world issues imo
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On January 29 2009 11:27 Boblion wrote:
I hate astrology.
+1
On January 29 2009 12:36 inertinept wrote:
die
lol
On January 29 2009 12:10 ahrara_ wrote:
I hate people
woot
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is awesome32269 Posts
Fuck you. You do not put Transformers and Harry Potter on the same bag.
Don't you ever do that again.
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On January 29 2009 12:17 HamerD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2009 12:09 fanatacist wrote:
I hate people who think your personality is in any way relevant to the time of year you are born and what some civilization deemed that period of time to be in the animal kingdom. Of all the insults I've had, this is potentially the weakest. So weak that a 50 pound aids victim in a coma could beat it in an arm wrestle.
So weak that you have no retort besides a relatively unimaginative analogy, and no factual support for your questionable beliefs.
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On January 29 2009 11:33 boesthius wrote:
You know what really pisses me off? Trees. Trees fucking piss me off just standing there all tall and proud, as if they're expecting something from me. I mean what the fuck do you want tree I'm sorry I'm not 200 fucking feet tall and can't photosynthesize to keep myself alive. Oh what's that? You've been known to live for thousands of years, through fires and storms and climate changes and you still stand? Fuck you tree I'm a human being goddammit - you can't cut me open and see how long I've lived for. Ooooohhhhhh and don't get me fucking started on the fucking gangs of trees that are out there; or as they're commonly known as - forests. I fucking know they're trying to take over the earth - you can see it in their bark; not to mention that there's over 400 hundred fucking billion of them. I burn every goddamn forest I come across to show the other plethora of trees who's the boss goddammit.
Shit I hate trees so much.
LOL
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On January 29 2009 13:11 Xenocide_Knight wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2009 11:33 boesthius wrote:
You know what really pisses me off? Trees. Trees fucking piss me off just standing there all tall and proud, as if they're expecting something from me. I mean what the fuck do you want tree I'm sorry I'm not 200 fucking feet tall and can't photosynthesize to keep myself alive. Oh what's that? You've been known to live for thousands of years, through fires and storms and climate changes and you still stand? Fuck you tree I'm a human being goddammit - you can't cut me open and see how long I've lived for. Ooooohhhhhh and don't get me fucking started on the fucking gangs of trees that are out there; or as they're commonly known as - forests. I fucking know they're trying to take over the earth - you can see it in their bark; not to mention that there's over 400 hundred fucking billion of them. I burn every goddamn forest I come across to show the other plethora of trees who's the boss goddammit.
Shit I hate trees so much. LOL
hahahahhhahahaha
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On January 29 2009 11:33 boesthius wrote:
You know what really pisses me off? Trees. Trees fucking piss me off just standing there all tall and proud, as if they're expecting something from me. I mean what the fuck do you want tree I'm sorry I'm not 200 fucking feet tall and can't photosynthesize to keep myself alive. Oh what's that? You've been known to live for thousands of years, through fires and storms and climate changes and you still stand? Fuck you tree I'm a human being goddammit - you can't cut me open and see how long I've lived for. Ooooohhhhhh and don't get me fucking started on the fucking gangs of trees that are out there; or as they're commonly known as - forests. I fucking know they're trying to take over the earth - you can see it in their bark; not to mention that there's over 400 hundred fucking billion of them. I burn every goddamn forest I come across to show the other plethora of trees who's the boss goddammit.
Shit I hate trees so much.
You sir are a master. What else grinds your gears?
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On January 29 2009 11:33 boesthius wrote:
You know what really pisses me off? Trees. Trees fucking piss me off just standing there all tall and proud, as if they're expecting something from me. I mean what the fuck do you want tree I'm sorry I'm not 200 fucking feet tall and can't photosynthesize to keep myself alive. Oh what's that? You've been known to live for thousands of years, through fires and storms and climate changes and you still stand? Fuck you tree I'm a human being goddammit - you can't cut me open and see how long I've lived for. Ooooohhhhhh and don't get me fucking started on the fucking gangs of trees that are out there; or as they're commonly known as - forests. I fucking know they're trying to take over the earth - you can see it in their bark; not to mention that there's over 400 hundred fucking billion of them. I burn every goddamn forest I come across to show the other plethora of trees who's the boss goddammit.
Shit I hate trees so much.
thread is now over
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why did it take an entire page for people to notice the trees post
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Don't worry you're obviously just too intelligent for the mainstream stuff. Listen to indie music and watch foreign films. And wear a beret while smoking a pipe. Buy a Chihuahua.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
reminds me of that night i took nony idra and artosis to a room salon
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On January 29 2009 11:33 boesthius wrote:
You know what really pisses me off? Trees. Trees fucking piss me off just standing there all tall and proud, as if they're expecting something from me. I mean what the fuck do you want tree I'm sorry I'm not 200 fucking feet tall and can't photosynthesize to keep myself alive. Oh what's that? You've been known to live for thousands of years, through fires and storms and climate changes and you still stand? Fuck you tree I'm a human being goddammit - you can't cut me open and see how long I've lived for. Ooooohhhhhh and don't get me fucking started on the fucking gangs of trees that are out there; or as they're commonly known as - forests. I fucking know they're trying to take over the earth - you can see it in their bark; not to mention that there's over 400 hundred fucking billion of them. I burn every goddamn forest I come across to show the other plethora of trees who's the boss goddammit.
Shit I hate trees so much.
LOLOLOL GOLD
man i was going to attempt to post something funny but this thread has been TRUMPED
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On January 29 2009 12:50 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2009 12:17 HamerD wrote:On January 29 2009 12:09 fanatacist wrote:
I hate people who think your personality is in any way relevant to the time of year you are born and what some civilization deemed that period of time to be in the animal kingdom. Of all the insults I've had, this is potentially the weakest. So weak that a 50 pound aids victim in a coma could beat it in an arm wrestle. So weak that you have no retort besides a relatively unimaginative analogy, and no factual support for your questionable beliefs.
No, moran, yours is not an argument worth addressing, when I was talking about astrology and defending in the ASTROLOGY blog for awhile. I retorted, solidly, to your diarrhea of an insult; whimsically and that while that analogy wasn't particularly imaginative, it did perfectly describe the unbelievable crapness of your insult.
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On January 29 2009 19:08 Nytefish wrote:
Don't worry you're obviously just too intelligent for the mainstream stuff. Listen to indie music and watch foreign films. And wear a beret while smoking a pipe. Buy a Chihuahua.
lol but the point is I hate people like that just as much as I hate wisecracking protagonist teens which discover a magical world  .
And to the guy who hated me for putting transformers on the same list. Well, firstly, I said that I liked the things on the list even though their protagonists pissed me off. And actually I just couldn't stand transformers until I blanked the protagonist out of my mind. I would need to undergo a lobotomy to prevent me from recognizing the existence of that protagonist for me to enjoy the entire transformers film, too many fucking terrible jokes and wisecracks. If you found the jokes that related to the protagonist funny, then we just have a different sense of humour.
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Braavos36372 Posts
i dunno, i thought shia did a pretty good job in that movie
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Flashback complaint is dumb, but I agree with you on the other stuff.
It's like insulting when you see that they're just trying so hard to make sure you can relate to the character by making the character just an everyday normal guy.
Fuck that shit, I want a story with someone like Legolas or Aragorn where the character could have been royalty or some elite fighter etc but I still love them and relate to them.
None of this bullshit spoonfed "Oh hey the main character is just like you! Doesn't that make you love them?"
Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy harry potter, I just agree with you that it's borderline offensive/insulting and extremely pathetic.
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On January 29 2009 20:44 HamerD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2009 12:50 fanatacist wrote:On January 29 2009 12:17 HamerD wrote:On January 29 2009 12:09 fanatacist wrote:
I hate people who think your personality is in any way relevant to the time of year you are born and what some civilization deemed that period of time to be in the animal kingdom. Of all the insults I've had, this is potentially the weakest. So weak that a 50 pound aids victim in a coma could beat it in an arm wrestle. So weak that you have no retort besides a relatively unimaginative analogy, and no factual support for your questionable beliefs. No, moran, yours is not an argument worth addressing, when I was talking about astrology and defending in the ASTROLOGY blog for awhile. I retorted, solidly, to your diarrhea of an insult; whimsically and that while that analogy wasn't particularly imaginative, it did perfectly describe the unbelievable crapness of your insult.
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United States3573 Posts
what a weird thing to have intense hatred over
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On January 29 2009 22:03 minus_human wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2009 20:44 HamerD wrote:On January 29 2009 12:50 fanatacist wrote:On January 29 2009 12:17 HamerD wrote:On January 29 2009 12:09 fanatacist wrote:
I hate people who think your personality is in any way relevant to the time of year you are born and what some civilization deemed that period of time to be in the animal kingdom. Of all the insults I've had, this is potentially the weakest. So weak that a 50 pound aids victim in a coma could beat it in an arm wrestle. So weak that you have no retort besides a relatively unimaginative analogy, and no factual support for your questionable beliefs. No, moran, yours is not an argument worth addressing, when I was talking about astrology and defending in the ASTROLOGY blog for awhile. I retorted, solidly, to your diarrhea of an insult; whimsically and that while that analogy wasn't particularly imaginative, it did perfectly describe the unbelievable crapness of your insult.
Yes, you fucking idiot, that was the point.
God the idiots are out in force today, coupled with that retarded dutch person (in the name countries thread)
Ps Welcome to the internet, biotch. Misspelling is the piont of the intrawebbing.
Cook Islands the new romania?
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LoL I really fail to understand how the point was to misspell a word
just chill the fuck out
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OMG ROMANIA JOKES ARE SO FUCKING SMART
you're cool!!!
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Also chill I really have no quarrel with you or what you wrote in the OP, even if I personally find it a bit confusing, I will keep it to myself
I didn't flame you either, just made a joke about a misspell
so chill the fuck out, again, and learn to channel ur rage. The trolls in this thread aren't anymore appealing to me than they are to you, but you have to admit, your complaint in the OP was at least... strangely worded
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The edit button does work my friend.
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this fuckin thread is just owned by TREEs!!!
Actually I can see where your coming from HamerD but everyone else stated some good points. Nowadays I know that when I am watching a movie I am mostly watching it to see if the director/manuscript is any good. I had more feedback on this subject but the more I read the thread the more I laughed my memory out...
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On January 29 2009 22:26 minus_human wrote:
LoL I really fail to understand how the point was to misspell a word
just chill the fuck out
This.
Honestly, your OP was ok. A little over-the-top, but its really personal preference. Stop acting like everyone that disagrees with you is flaming you and trying to pick a fight.
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Well it's just cos it was about spelling, that gets on my nerve
Do you seriously think that I didn't intend to spell moron moran? Jesus christ fanaticist. I need to get a good parking space at the library, can I borrow your disabled badge?
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I hate B Films that doesn't EVEN have any effort to act/write/direct
Jeez, the producer should have just gone with porn if there isn't any effort.
/Rant
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On January 30 2009 01:51 HamerD wrote:
Well it's just cos it was about spelling, that gets on my nerve
Do you seriously think that I didn't intend to spell moron moran? Jesus christ fanaticist. I need to get a good parking space at the library, can I borrow your disabled badge?
Stop acting like you read real books, if you did then you would see why astrology is a pseudoscience.
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its not even a pseudoscience lol
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On January 30 2009 08:07 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2009 01:51 HamerD wrote:
Well it's just cos it was about spelling, that gets on my nerve
Do you seriously think that I didn't intend to spell moron moran? Jesus christ fanaticist. I need to get a good parking space at the library, can I borrow your disabled badge? Stop acting like you read real books, if you did then you would see why astrology is a pseudoscience.
In the astrology blog there was a lot more developed argumentation about it. In various philosophy fora I have listened to and reasoned with a lot more developed argumentation. Can you stop trying to throw out kitsch devaluations to boost your public intellectual standing? There haven't been any tests of astrology that contradict what I believe works about it. Go over to the astrology blog and resurrect an argument, and I'll talk to you about it. Otherwise, can you just please stfu because it's getting old.
Can you recommend any books?
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On January 30 2009 09:25 HamerD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2009 08:07 fanatacist wrote:On January 30 2009 01:51 HamerD wrote:
Well it's just cos it was about spelling, that gets on my nerve
Do you seriously think that I didn't intend to spell moron moran? Jesus christ fanaticist. I need to get a good parking space at the library, can I borrow your disabled badge? Stop acting like you read real books, if you did then you would see why astrology is a pseudoscience. In the astrology blog there was a lot more developed argumentation about it. In various philosophy fora I have listened to and reasoned with a lot more developed argumentation. Can you stop trying to throw out kitsch devaluations to boost your public intellectual standing? There haven't been any tests of astrology that contradict what I believe works about it. Go over to the astrology blog and resurrect an argument, and I'll talk to you about it. Otherwise, can you just please stfu because it's getting old. Can you recommend any books?
There haven't been any tests because no certified scientist can care so little about their reputation that they would spend time checking the validity of mythology.
One Hundred Years of Solitude - Garcia Marquez
Atlas Shrugged - Rand
Scaramouche - Sabatini
Ender's Game - Scott Card
Hard to be a God - Strugatski brothers
Slaughterhouse Five - Vonnegut
Waiting - Ha Jin
If you want more let me know.
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