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On September 01 2008 12:36 Meta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2008 12:27 Kwidowmaker wrote:
Hang out around the liqueur store and wait for someone who looks 21+ to walk by. Tried it, I don't feel like getting turned down a bunch. Anyway I didn't mean for this to turn into a drug rant, but I agree that if you can't have fun by doing anything other than drugs/alcohol then you're pretty pitiful. That said, I think that responsible adults should be able to do whatever they want to themselves as long as they don't have any dependents or something like that.
who said he can't?
and even if he can't, you shouldn't judge someone if you can't identify with their situation
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On September 01 2008 11:46 PsycHOTemplar wrote:Show nested quote +But does outlawing it reduce the number of addicts significantly enough to counter this? Yes. For the same reasons outlawing murder and theft reduces their frequency. Intelligent people are afraid to go to jail and lose their freedom. + Show Spoiler [Rant That Will Offend Druggies] +I use to snort coke everyday for like a year and a half. No one knew except the people I did it with, because I wasnt a problem No. You think people didn't know. I don't go accusing people of being druggies; what would be the point? I still know that they are, because there are physical tells. You're a dumb ass. I have friends who do drugs. I have friends of friends who do drugs. The contrast between the intelligence and worthfulness (just a word I'm making up to define a person who has some ambition and proactivity in their life) of sober people and people who do hard drugs all the time is incredible. Interesting fact of life: Doing drugs is completely unproductive. Some people do drugs as an enhancement to whatever they're doing, but most people sit around talking about how fucked up they are, while they stumble all over the place generally making an ass out of themselves. Those people I hate and call worthless. Even living vicariously thru a character in a movie is more productive than that. I'm genuinely saddened when I see people doing nothing with their lives except working some shitty job, and doing drugs to try an ignore how much they fucked up and never tried. It's a disgrace to the human spirit of creativity and self-improvement.
In the end, you are an authoritarian. You wish to limit other people's freedom. That, in essence, makes you a fucking moron.
And some actual statistics for you, instead of your misguided "opinion".
Before the United States drug war began, a federal survey was issued to find that 1 million people admitted to being addicted to drugs. Recently, the same survey was issued to find that 1 million people are addicted to drugs. Life finds a way, no matter how many ignorant and selfish people like you there are out there. So no, prohibition does NOT decrease use, it simply increases drug related deaths, and incarceration rates of innocent, self-sovereign individuals.
And I occasionally smoke marijuana, before you start throwing the obvious, unintelligent, "But you think that because you're a druggie!" argument.
And by the way, how can you possibly know outlawing theft and murder reduces the frequency. I think you're caught up in the whole "morals come from the government" thing.
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On September 01 2008 13:27 Romance_us wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2008 11:46 PsycHOTemplar wrote:But does outlawing it reduce the number of addicts significantly enough to counter this? Yes. For the same reasons outlawing murder and theft reduces their frequency. Intelligent people are afraid to go to jail and lose their freedom. + Show Spoiler [Rant That Will Offend Druggies] +I use to snort coke everyday for like a year and a half. No one knew except the people I did it with, because I wasnt a problem No. You think people didn't know. I don't go accusing people of being druggies; what would be the point? I still know that they are, because there are physical tells. You're a dumb ass. I have friends who do drugs. I have friends of friends who do drugs. The contrast between the intelligence and worthfulness (just a word I'm making up to define a person who has some ambition and proactivity in their life) of sober people and people who do hard drugs all the time is incredible. Interesting fact of life: Doing drugs is completely unproductive. Some people do drugs as an enhancement to whatever they're doing, but most people sit around talking about how fucked up they are, while they stumble all over the place generally making an ass out of themselves. Those people I hate and call worthless. Even living vicariously thru a character in a movie is more productive than that. I'm genuinely saddened when I see people doing nothing with their lives except working some shitty job, and doing drugs to try an ignore how much they fucked up and never tried. It's a disgrace to the human spirit of creativity and self-improvement. In the end, you are an authoritarian. You wish to limit other people's freedom. That, in essence, makes you a fucking moron. I disagree. I don't think that alone, and out of context, means much of anything.
And some actual statistics for you, instead of your misguided "opinion".
Before the United States drug war began, a federal survey was issued to find that 1 million people admitted to being addicted to drugs. Recently, the same survey was issued to find that 1 million people are addicted to drugs. Life finds a way, no matter how many ignorant and selfish people like you there are out there. So no, prohibition does NOT decrease use, it simply increases drug related deaths, and incarceration rates of innocent, self-sovereign individuals.
And I occasionally smoke marijuana, before you start throwing the obvious, unintelligent, "But you think that because you're a druggie!" argument.
And by the way, how can you possibly know outlawing theft and murder reduces the frequency. I think you're caught up in the whole "morals come from the government" thing.
Source? What studies? I'd prefer something besides Wikipedia (just in case the data was most readily available there).
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On September 01 2008 13:31 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2008 13:27 Romance_us wrote:On September 01 2008 11:46 PsycHOTemplar wrote:But does outlawing it reduce the number of addicts significantly enough to counter this? Yes. For the same reasons outlawing murder and theft reduces their frequency. Intelligent people are afraid to go to jail and lose their freedom. + Show Spoiler [Rant That Will Offend Druggies] +I use to snort coke everyday for like a year and a half. No one knew except the people I did it with, because I wasnt a problem No. You think people didn't know. I don't go accusing people of being druggies; what would be the point? I still know that they are, because there are physical tells. You're a dumb ass. I have friends who do drugs. I have friends of friends who do drugs. The contrast between the intelligence and worthfulness (just a word I'm making up to define a person who has some ambition and proactivity in their life) of sober people and people who do hard drugs all the time is incredible. Interesting fact of life: Doing drugs is completely unproductive. Some people do drugs as an enhancement to whatever they're doing, but most people sit around talking about how fucked up they are, while they stumble all over the place generally making an ass out of themselves. Those people I hate and call worthless. Even living vicariously thru a character in a movie is more productive than that. I'm genuinely saddened when I see people doing nothing with their lives except working some shitty job, and doing drugs to try an ignore how much they fucked up and never tried. It's a disgrace to the human spirit of creativity and self-improvement. In the end, you are an authoritarian. You wish to limit other people's freedom. That, in essence, makes you a fucking moron. I disagree. I don't think that alone, and out of context, means much of anything. Show nested quote +And some actual statistics for you, instead of your misguided "opinion".
Before the United States drug war began, a federal survey was issued to find that 1 million people admitted to being addicted to drugs. Recently, the same survey was issued to find that 1 million people are addicted to drugs. Life finds a way, no matter how many ignorant and selfish people like you there are out there. So no, prohibition does NOT decrease use, it simply increases drug related deaths, and incarceration rates of innocent, self-sovereign individuals.
And I occasionally smoke marijuana, before you start throwing the obvious, unintelligent, "But you think that because you're a druggie!" argument.
And by the way, how can you possibly know outlawing theft and murder reduces the frequency. I think you're caught up in the whole "morals come from the government" thing. Source? What studies? I'd prefer something besides Wikipedia (just in case the data was most readily available there).
I do not have the source for that, and I regret saying it due to that, but I ASSURE you it is fact.
However, if you google "United States Drug Surveys", you will find countless sources about RECENT studies that show that drug use has actually INCREASED since the drug war began.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/01/health/webmd/main4222322.shtml
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080630201007.htm
http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/90295/
Just a few, there are MUCH more.
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Before the United States drug war began, a federal survey was issued to find that 1 million people admitted to being addicted to drugs. Recently, the same survey was issued to find that 1 million people are addicted to drugs. Life finds a way, no matter how many ignorant and selfish people like you there are out there. So no, prohibition does NOT decrease use, it simply increases drug related deaths, and incarceration rates of innocent, self-sovereign individuals.
You're right, I am selfish. I want other people to be useful, contributing members of society that I feel safe around purely for my own benefit. Sorry for being human.
And I occasionally smoke marijuana, before you start throwing the obvious, unintelligent, "But you think that because you're a druggie!" argument.
When I said "hard drugs," did you think I meant weed? When I specifically made a distinction between people who just get fucked up, and people who take drugs as an enhancement to their activities, did you think I was just saying that for shits and giggles? I like to have a drink now and then, and I don't have any reason to believe weed is more or less harmful than alcohol when both are used responsibly. What I do have a problem with is people robbing 7/11s because they can't find any other way to come up with the money to satisfy their craving. I do have a problem with people who work some shitty job, but never find anything in life except their drug, because they aren't motivated to ever be artistic.
However, if you google "United States Drug Surveys", you will find countless sources about RECENT studies that show that drug use has actually INCREASED since the drug war began.
Statistics can be very misleading if you don't know exactly how they were ascertained. The first example I can think of is that though there are more people doing drugs today, that might been an offshoot of an exponetially larger number of drug dealers simply from increasing poverty in America (in the slums, the most promising career you can think of is often dealing drugs). Or maybe it's a simple numbers thing, and it's not taking into account that the population has also increased. 20% more people doing drugs might not mean the percent of the population doing drugs has changed. Also, a more interesting statistic would be to see if crime has increased in areas where hard drugs are more abundant.
All in all, the view that the other is a "fucking moron" is mutual.
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so not doing drugs makes people safe?
and doing drugs makes them unsafe?
and not doing drugs means they contribute?
and doing drugs means they don't?
don't be so quick to judge other people. you have your own cravings, your own voids that you fill, based upon your own selfish desires. do not act like you don't.
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They're just facts of life... Blind people can't see; Shitfaced people can't concentrate. If your contribution to society is working 8 hours a day at Walmart, boi, I don't like you.
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On September 01 2008 13:38 Romance_us wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2008 13:31 micronesia wrote:On September 01 2008 13:27 Romance_us wrote:On September 01 2008 11:46 PsycHOTemplar wrote:But does outlawing it reduce the number of addicts significantly enough to counter this? Yes. For the same reasons outlawing murder and theft reduces their frequency. Intelligent people are afraid to go to jail and lose their freedom. + Show Spoiler [Rant That Will Offend Druggies] +I use to snort coke everyday for like a year and a half. No one knew except the people I did it with, because I wasnt a problem No. You think people didn't know. I don't go accusing people of being druggies; what would be the point? I still know that they are, because there are physical tells. You're a dumb ass. I have friends who do drugs. I have friends of friends who do drugs. The contrast between the intelligence and worthfulness (just a word I'm making up to define a person who has some ambition and proactivity in their life) of sober people and people who do hard drugs all the time is incredible. Interesting fact of life: Doing drugs is completely unproductive. Some people do drugs as an enhancement to whatever they're doing, but most people sit around talking about how fucked up they are, while they stumble all over the place generally making an ass out of themselves. Those people I hate and call worthless. Even living vicariously thru a character in a movie is more productive than that. I'm genuinely saddened when I see people doing nothing with their lives except working some shitty job, and doing drugs to try an ignore how much they fucked up and never tried. It's a disgrace to the human spirit of creativity and self-improvement. In the end, you are an authoritarian. You wish to limit other people's freedom. That, in essence, makes you a fucking moron. I disagree. I don't think that alone, and out of context, means much of anything. And some actual statistics for you, instead of your misguided "opinion".
Before the United States drug war began, a federal survey was issued to find that 1 million people admitted to being addicted to drugs. Recently, the same survey was issued to find that 1 million people are addicted to drugs. Life finds a way, no matter how many ignorant and selfish people like you there are out there. So no, prohibition does NOT decrease use, it simply increases drug related deaths, and incarceration rates of innocent, self-sovereign individuals.
And I occasionally smoke marijuana, before you start throwing the obvious, unintelligent, "But you think that because you're a druggie!" argument.
And by the way, how can you possibly know outlawing theft and murder reduces the frequency. I think you're caught up in the whole "morals come from the government" thing. Source? What studies? I'd prefer something besides Wikipedia (just in case the data was most readily available there). I do not have the source for that, and I regret saying it due to that, but I ASSURE you it is fact. However, if you google "United States Drug Surveys", you will find countless sources about RECENT studies that show that drug use has actually INCREASED since the drug war began. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/01/health/webmd/main4222322.shtmlhttp://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080630201007.htmhttp://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/90295/Just a few, there are MUCH more.
First of all, thinking that recreational drugs should be illegal is not the same thing as supporting the drug was as it has occurred in the USA the past decade(s) (you imply this).
Second, if you can ASSURE me that it is fact, can you explain WHY you can assure me of this? If you come back with a reasonable answer like "my professor who studies this was explaining it to us and I never bothered to look up the source" then that's fairly credible so long as you aren't lying, but I don't feel convinced you have such a good answer necessarily.
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On September 01 2008 14:21 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
They're just facts of life... Blind people can't see; Shitfaced people can't concentrate. If your contribution to society is working 8 hours a day at Walmart, boi, I don't like you.
What's wrong with having a shitty job? Somebody has to do it.
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On September 01 2008 14:21 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2008 13:38 Romance_us wrote:On September 01 2008 13:31 micronesia wrote:On September 01 2008 13:27 Romance_us wrote:On September 01 2008 11:46 PsycHOTemplar wrote:But does outlawing it reduce the number of addicts significantly enough to counter this? Yes. For the same reasons outlawing murder and theft reduces their frequency. Intelligent people are afraid to go to jail and lose their freedom. + Show Spoiler [Rant That Will Offend Druggies] +I use to snort coke everyday for like a year and a half. No one knew except the people I did it with, because I wasnt a problem No. You think people didn't know. I don't go accusing people of being druggies; what would be the point? I still know that they are, because there are physical tells. You're a dumb ass. I have friends who do drugs. I have friends of friends who do drugs. The contrast between the intelligence and worthfulness (just a word I'm making up to define a person who has some ambition and proactivity in their life) of sober people and people who do hard drugs all the time is incredible. Interesting fact of life: Doing drugs is completely unproductive. Some people do drugs as an enhancement to whatever they're doing, but most people sit around talking about how fucked up they are, while they stumble all over the place generally making an ass out of themselves. Those people I hate and call worthless. Even living vicariously thru a character in a movie is more productive than that. I'm genuinely saddened when I see people doing nothing with their lives except working some shitty job, and doing drugs to try an ignore how much they fucked up and never tried. It's a disgrace to the human spirit of creativity and self-improvement. In the end, you are an authoritarian. You wish to limit other people's freedom. That, in essence, makes you a fucking moron. I disagree. I don't think that alone, and out of context, means much of anything. And some actual statistics for you, instead of your misguided "opinion".
Before the United States drug war began, a federal survey was issued to find that 1 million people admitted to being addicted to drugs. Recently, the same survey was issued to find that 1 million people are addicted to drugs. Life finds a way, no matter how many ignorant and selfish people like you there are out there. So no, prohibition does NOT decrease use, it simply increases drug related deaths, and incarceration rates of innocent, self-sovereign individuals.
And I occasionally smoke marijuana, before you start throwing the obvious, unintelligent, "But you think that because you're a druggie!" argument.
And by the way, how can you possibly know outlawing theft and murder reduces the frequency. I think you're caught up in the whole "morals come from the government" thing. Source? What studies? I'd prefer something besides Wikipedia (just in case the data was most readily available there). I do not have the source for that, and I regret saying it due to that, but I ASSURE you it is fact. However, if you google "United States Drug Surveys", you will find countless sources about RECENT studies that show that drug use has actually INCREASED since the drug war began. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/01/health/webmd/main4222322.shtmlhttp://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080630201007.htmhttp://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/90295/Just a few, there are MUCH more. First of all, thinking that recreational drugs should be illegal is not the same thing as supporting the drug was as it has occurred in the USA the past decade(s) (you imply this).
the difference is slim.
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On September 01 2008 14:21 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
They're just facts of life... Blind people can't see; Shitfaced people can't concentrate. If your contribution to society is working 8 hours a day at Walmart, boi, I don't like you.
blind people can hear, smell, taste, and tactilely feel way better than most people who can see.
shitfaced people? well, I was never suggesting people should spend all their time shitfaced, but there is a certain wisdom that can be gained from that, as well.
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On September 01 2008 14:24 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2008 14:21 micronesia wrote:On September 01 2008 13:38 Romance_us wrote:On September 01 2008 13:31 micronesia wrote:On September 01 2008 13:27 Romance_us wrote:On September 01 2008 11:46 PsycHOTemplar wrote:But does outlawing it reduce the number of addicts significantly enough to counter this? Yes. For the same reasons outlawing murder and theft reduces their frequency. Intelligent people are afraid to go to jail and lose their freedom. + Show Spoiler [Rant That Will Offend Druggies] +I use to snort coke everyday for like a year and a half. No one knew except the people I did it with, because I wasnt a problem No. You think people didn't know. I don't go accusing people of being druggies; what would be the point? I still know that they are, because there are physical tells. You're a dumb ass. I have friends who do drugs. I have friends of friends who do drugs. The contrast between the intelligence and worthfulness (just a word I'm making up to define a person who has some ambition and proactivity in their life) of sober people and people who do hard drugs all the time is incredible. Interesting fact of life: Doing drugs is completely unproductive. Some people do drugs as an enhancement to whatever they're doing, but most people sit around talking about how fucked up they are, while they stumble all over the place generally making an ass out of themselves. Those people I hate and call worthless. Even living vicariously thru a character in a movie is more productive than that. I'm genuinely saddened when I see people doing nothing with their lives except working some shitty job, and doing drugs to try an ignore how much they fucked up and never tried. It's a disgrace to the human spirit of creativity and self-improvement. In the end, you are an authoritarian. You wish to limit other people's freedom. That, in essence, makes you a fucking moron. I disagree. I don't think that alone, and out of context, means much of anything. And some actual statistics for you, instead of your misguided "opinion".
Before the United States drug war began, a federal survey was issued to find that 1 million people admitted to being addicted to drugs. Recently, the same survey was issued to find that 1 million people are addicted to drugs. Life finds a way, no matter how many ignorant and selfish people like you there are out there. So no, prohibition does NOT decrease use, it simply increases drug related deaths, and incarceration rates of innocent, self-sovereign individuals.
And I occasionally smoke marijuana, before you start throwing the obvious, unintelligent, "But you think that because you're a druggie!" argument.
And by the way, how can you possibly know outlawing theft and murder reduces the frequency. I think you're caught up in the whole "morals come from the government" thing. Source? What studies? I'd prefer something besides Wikipedia (just in case the data was most readily available there). I do not have the source for that, and I regret saying it due to that, but I ASSURE you it is fact. However, if you google "United States Drug Surveys", you will find countless sources about RECENT studies that show that drug use has actually INCREASED since the drug war began. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/01/health/webmd/main4222322.shtmlhttp://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080630201007.htmhttp://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/90295/Just a few, there are MUCH more. First of all, thinking that recreational drugs should be illegal is not the same thing as supporting the drug was as it has occurred in the USA the past decade(s) (you imply this). the difference is slim.
Roseanne slim?
Orson Welles slim?
Marlon Brando slim?
Why is it slim?
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because if something is illegal, it is illegal
why would it not be slim? where is the large difference?
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On September 01 2008 14:29 travis wrote:
because if something is illegal, it is illegal
why would it not be slim? where is the large difference?
The War on Drugs has been a miserable failure. It is not a miserable failure because one of its goals is to outlaw recreational drugs.... it's a slightly (and by slightly I mean not really slightly) more complicated issue than that.
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The war on drugs has been an incredible success. Just ask all the people who have profited from it.
So I guess your point is that it would become somewhat easier to get these illegal drugs. I agree with that, to an extent.
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blind people can hear,
Yes.
smell,
Uh huh...
taste,
Where are you going with this, monkey man?
and tactilely feel
o.o
way better than most people who can see.
... I fail to see your point.
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On September 01 2008 14:39 PsycHOTemplar wrote:Yes. Uh huh... Where are you going with this, monkey man? o.o ... I fail to see your point.
maybe you'd get it if you were blind
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On September 01 2008 14:39 PsycHOTemplar wrote:Yes. Uh huh... Where are you going with this, monkey man? o.o ... I fail to see your point.
Er, isn't it saying that people who lose the ability to do something due to a handicap (blind, high, etc) can potentially make up for it in other ways? 'High people can't think, but they can make awesome artwork' would be one such example. All speculation.
edit: lol travis
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High people can think... Shit faced people can't... and thus their ability to do anything is precisely dick.
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On September 01 2008 14:40 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2008 14:39 PsycHOTemplar wrote:blind people can hear, Yes. smell, Uh huh... taste, Where are you going with this, monkey man? and tactilely feel o.o way better than most people who can see. ... I fail to see your point. Er, isn't it saying that people who lose the ability to do something due to a handicap (blind, high, etc) can potentially make up for it in other ways? 'High people can't think, but they can make awesome artwork' would be one such example. All speculation. edit: lol travis
yes, you understand the bulk of my point.
I am saying that it is easy to judge someone who is different than you because you are seeing things from your perspective, not theirs. And almost all of us have very limited perspectives.
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On September 01 2008 14:44 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2008 14:40 micronesia wrote:On September 01 2008 14:39 PsycHOTemplar wrote:blind people can hear, Yes. smell, Uh huh... taste, Where are you going with this, monkey man? and tactilely feel o.o way better than most people who can see. ... I fail to see your point. Er, isn't it saying that people who lose the ability to do something due to a handicap (blind, high, etc) can potentially make up for it in other ways? 'High people can't think, but they can make awesome artwork' would be one such example. All speculation. edit: lol travis yes, you understand the bulk of my point. I am saying that it is easy to judge someone who is different than you because you are seeing things from your perspective, not theirs. And almost all of us have very limited perspectives.
Since PsycHOTemplar seems relatively unconvinced that any reasonable number of people can actually improve their life by making significant recreational drug use a part of it, he might benefit from reasonable examples that could theoretically be backed up by an investigation into the lives of typical people in similar situations, if your assertions are in fact true (lol@sentence)
Just trying to be diplomatic since not much else is coming from this...
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