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Everyone except Travis? :O
I don't know what about people you exactly think I'm judging. I won't say necessarily that it's entirely a persons fault they got into hard drugs, or that they've had an easy life. But I will judge a person's value to me. A person who is undependable because of a drug addiction is either a friend who's a burden to me because I have to try to help them rehabilitate, or a friend no more because I don't believe in them. A person like this who was never a friend is simply a waste of my time. Doesn't matter what your story is. It's like a person with no potential who was born and remained very untalented. You don't take them in just because you pity their shitty genetics. You make a judgement, and if you can't use them, you forget about them. Some might think that's a cruel way to see the world, but think of a friend you did tonnes of stuff for, but they never reciprocated... Were they ever really your friend? A drug addict who cares about nothing but his or her next fix... Can you really ever expect them to be useful in that state?
Forget judging the person even. Doing hard drugs is just a poor use of time in my opinion. Which was my original point, so I don't know how it came to this. I guess these sorts of arguments always do.
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Maybe if I wasn't so lazy, but for now I will just do what comes easily to me 
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On September 01 2008 14:21 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
They're just facts of life... Blind people can't see; Shitfaced people can't concentrate. If your contribution to society is working 8 hours a day at Walmart, boi, I don't like you. why would anyone listen to you when you say something like that?
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On September 01 2008 15:01 yubee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2008 14:21 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
They're just facts of life... Blind people can't see; Shitfaced people can't concentrate. If your contribution to society is working 8 hours a day at Walmart, boi, I don't like you. why would anyone listen to you when you say something like that?
My similar complaint was promptly ignored.
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people at walmart aren't people, if they were they'd be doctors!!
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On September 01 2008 15:04 yubee wrote:
people at walmart aren't people, if they were they'd be doctors!!
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Well then I'll reiterate 
I've grown up with a lot of people, some who got into hard drugs, and some who didn't. The people who did went downhill, and downhill quick. Their education suffered, their ambitions suffered, and they're basically doing anything suffered. I stopped being friends with these people. You seem to claim it's inappropriate for me to judge these people for the lifestyle they chose, and enjoy. But why shouldn't I? They're worthless to me. I don't like them for that reason. I'm sharing this world, so naturally it's in my interests to lean against these ideas, and hope that fewer rather than more do these drugs. That in itself seems as logical as anything will ever get in this world.
I'm allowed to be disappointed when people aren't as useful to me as they could have been. In my honest opinion, I think they'd be happier as well if they'd chosen a different path. Who can look back on years of drug abuse and feel like they've accomplished anything? Lack of foresight is these people's biggest character flaw, and everyone I see years after they started says they regret it. Perhaps my personal experience is too small a sample, but it's obviously going to influence my opinions.
EDIT:people at walmart aren't people, if they were they'd be doctors!!
I'm not saying you can't work some shit job and not be a good person... I'm saying if you have no ambitions beyond a frankly evil corporation any person would boycott if the world were just, you're not a good person. A person who has a hobby outside their shitty job is good. A person who still wants to become a better and better person, a person who wants create things. A person who just works his shift, comes home, does drugs to forget how dismal their life is, goes to sleep, wakes up, repeats, is worthless.
PS: Learn to read in context before calling people idiots, Yubee.
PPS: FUCK MY LIFE!
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how do you not get it stupid, i'm making a joke about his prejudice against people who work at walmart because of their jobs
nice image macro god micronesia GOD
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Darth Vader is obviously thirsty.
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On September 01 2008 15:07 yubee wrote:
how do you not get it stupid, i'm making a joke about his prejudice against people who work at walmart because of their jobs
nice image macro god micronesia GOD
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On September 01 2008 15:06 PsycHOTemplar wrote:Well then I'll reiterate I've grown up with a lot of people, some who got into hard drugs, and some who didn't. The people who did went downhill, and downhill quick. Their education suffered, their ambitions suffered, and they're basically doing anything suffered. I stopped being friends with these people. You seem to claim it's inappropriate for me to judge these people for the lifestyle they chose, and enjoy. But why shouldn't I? They're worthless to me. I don't like them for that reason. I'm sharing this world, so naturally it's in my interests to lean against these ideas, and hope that fewer rather than more do these drugs. That in itself seems as logical as anything will ever get in this world.
well lets pretend these people you are talking about are somehow the same as everyone else how takes similar actions.
you don't see how your view is closeminded, ignoring the gigantic blanket effect you've laid upon the world?
I'm allowed to be disappointed when people aren't as useful to me as they could have been. In my honest opinion, I think they'd be happier as well if they'd chosen a different path.
maybe they would, but they didn't.
and maybe they wouldn't have.
maybe you would have been happier if you had chosen a different path.
Who can look back on years of drug abuse and feel like they've accomplished anything?
and you are in a position to say what is or is not abuse?
Anyways, Me.
Lack of foresight is these people's biggest character flaw, and everyone I see years after they started says they regret it. Perhaps my personal experience is too small a sample, but it's obviously going to influence my opinions.
again, you are in no position to make such a statement without going through the experiences that they have.
remember here, you are arguing to make certain drugs illegal for everyone
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On September 01 2008 15:06 PsycHOTemplar wrote:EDIT: I'm not saying you can't work some shit job and not be a good person... I'm saying if you have no ambitions beyond a frankly evil corporation any person would boycott if the world were just, you're not a good person. A person who has a hobby outside their shitty job is good. A person who still wants to become a better and better person, a person who wants create things. A person who just works his shift, comes home, does drugs to forget how dismal their life is, goes to sleep, wakes up, repeats, is worthless.
The way you put it was directly insulting people who work jobs similar to those at Walmart. If you didn't intend this, you might have thought of a better, more clear way to put it (and this is my polite way of saying the way you worded it was horribly insensitive and not clear).
PS: Learn to read in context before calling people idiots, Yubee.
Don't worry he calls everyone an idiot.
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remember here, you are arguing to make certain drugs illegal for everyone
I am? I thought I was just arguing that people who do nothing but drugs are worthless. Evidently you're arguing with someone else.
and you are in a position to say what is or is not abuse?
Abuse actually has a very specific definition. You can look it up
The way you put it was directly insulting people who work jobs similar to those at Walmart. If you didn't intend this, you might have thought of a better, more clear way to put it (and this is my polite way of saying the way you worded it was horribly insensitive and not clear).
Well to be honest, I think you do disservice to humanity when you support something so obviously exploitative. Which is what I mean when I say it's not a contribution to society to work there... It's what you do as a necessity to pay for food and rent if you work there.
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On September 01 2008 15:16 PsycHOTemplar wrote:I am? I thought I was just arguing that people who do nothing but drugs are worthless. Evidently you're arguing with someone else.
alright, I will concede that you never outright said it. But that is obviously the stance you were taking.
Abuse actually has a very specific definition. You can look it up
No it does not. You obviously do not know what the word "specific" means.
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not everyone is on some faggy naive quest to fight the man and fight corporations dude!!! far out!! some people just need to eat you dumb prick
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Why do I get in arguments over the internet lol... This has been a regrettable experience.
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On September 01 2008 15:20 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
Why do I get in arguments over the internet lol... This has been a regrettable experience.
But the reason it has been a regrettable experience is not simply because you got into an argument on the internet. To claim such would be to avoid the real issue.
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It's not fighting the man... it's fighting for human rights and saying you won't be an accomplice to the mistreatment of people who cannot defend their rights on their own.
But the reason it has been a regrettable experience is not simply because you got into an argument on the internet. To claim such would be to avoid the real issue.
No, it really is. These things go nowhere because the communication is so interspersed, no one can interrupt and ask for clarification or kindly present conflicting information.
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On September 01 2008 15:21 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
It's not fighting the man... it's fighting for human rights and saying you won't be an accomplice to the mistreatment of people who cannot defend their rights on their own.
Isn't the group of people who can't defend themselves, largely made up of the people you are expecting to stand up to the evil corporation...?
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PsychoTemplar why has this been a regrettable experience. No one needs to be right. Just look for truth, brush everything else aside. Look for truth and leave the rest. Who gives a shit who is right, it doesn't matter.
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