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d1v
Sweden868 Posts
What do you feel, when you 5 Pool somebody on BlueStorm? Why do you do this? Do you really think you'll improve? Do you really think, that you can ladder up with cheesing? Does it feel like a deserved win to you? Do you feel satisfied, do you feel superior? Please, let me see inside of you, for I can't understand you..  | ||
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
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Xstatic
United States765 Posts
 That said, real cheesers never make it very far on ICCUP, and they don't have real skills or pride. Don't let it get to you if you get beaten repeatedly by cheese-men. Players who use cheese as their main strategy aren't playing SC and should just turn in their CD-keys :D | ||
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
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kroko
Finland2136 Posts
.+ Show Spoiler + j/k Just get over it dude, its gay but u will live on.. | ||
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d1v
Sweden868 Posts
On August 11 2008 06:48 ramen247 wrote: tell that to julyzerg lmfao. Hehe, yeah, but he's a professional and doing this for a living, I see some logic behind his choice. | ||
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d1v
Sweden868 Posts
On August 11 2008 06:50 kroko wrote: This blog engouraged me to log in iccup and go 5pool, refuse re and call my opponent a n00b .+ Show Spoiler + j/k Lol, are there people asking for a RE after you 5 pooled them? Just get over it dude, its gay but u will live on.. Yeah, I'd like to, but it's hard when literally 75% of all your games are cheese.. | ||
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kroko
Finland2136 Posts
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Peter[Deuce]
United States93 Posts
Everyone has played standard and straight up. Maybe I'm lucky? | ||
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FlameD[TOp]
Canada247 Posts
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d1v
Sweden868 Posts
On August 11 2008 06:54 FlameD[TOp] wrote: Why complain... that means you win 75% of the time Excuse me? Where did I miss that? | ||
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
On August 11 2008 06:54 Peter[Deuce] wrote: I read so many posts about Iccup gayness and I have never once been cheesed at all. I've only been drophacked twice out of like 60 games. Everyone has played standard and straight up. Maybe I'm lucky? You have seriously never been cheesed on ICCUP? | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
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d1v
Sweden868 Posts
On August 11 2008 06:57 Mastermind wrote: 75% of your games are cheese? Thats shocking. I have been cheesed once on iccup and I have played well over a hundred games on there. I really mean it. No exaggeration there. The last 20 or so games were nothing but defending from proxy Gateway into DT or cannon rush and vs Z some 4/5 Pool. Now, there are things which are easy to defend, but I just don't know how to respond to a 4/5 Pool on BlueStorm.. | ||
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WindCalibur
Canada938 Posts
THEN YOU CAN LAUGH AT THEM LIKE "LOLOLOLOLOL MY 12 POOL PWNED UR 4 POOL BEcAUSE U SUK AT TIMING LOLOLOL" | ||
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
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d1v
Sweden868 Posts
On August 11 2008 07:02 Eatme wrote: Never cheesed on ICCUP as I dont play it that much. But when I win with 5pool it almosts feels better than a normal win. The feeling is just so great. Try it, you'll like it. Nah, I really am very bent on improving as a player, because that's where I draw motivation from. Also, I'd have to think about my opponent, I mean it's no fun for him either. He's going to lose points, I won't improve, it's a lose-lose situation. PS: Where in Switzerland do you live? | ||
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
On August 11 2008 07:01 d1v wrote: I really mean it. No exaggeration there. The last 20 or so games were nothing but defending from proxy Gateway into DT or cannon rush and vs Z some 4/5 Pool. Now, there are things which are easy to defend, but I just don't know how to respond to a 4/5 Pool on BlueStorm.. Tried 8rax/BBS non proxy? Not that bad of a build vs Z on BlueStorm even if he does not go cheesy pool and then you can always bunker too. I might add that I dont really know what I'm talking about since I mainly play Z. I just like to promote BBS builds as I like to watch TvZ reps were T owns with that. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
On August 11 2008 06:42 d1v wrote: This goes to all you hardcore cheesers out there on ICCUP: What do you feel, when you 5 Pool somebody on BlueStorm? Why do you do this? Do you really think you'll improve? Do you really think, that you can ladder up with cheesing? Does it feel like a deserved win to you? Do you feel satisfied, do you feel superior? Please, let me see inside of you, for I can't understand you.. when I am playing on a map I dislike, or on a new account and its very low play level oppts. D- through c- I generaly eat. Talk on the phone. 1 hand craft and cheese. I see no reason to take an oppt serious and waste my energy focus on weaker opposition. I was on the phone with my mom who is on the otherside of the country. I 4 pool 4 games in a row while we were talking ... without missing any of my conversation and won 520 points going from c- to c so that I could play some more interesting games ... it might be disrespectfull to play this way. But if somebody can't kill 3 lurkers with 10 MM then I don't want to play them anyway... | ||
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kroko
Finland2136 Posts
On August 11 2008 07:15 AttackZerg wrote: when I am playing on a map I dislike, or on a new account and its very low play level oppts. D- through c- I generaly eat. Talk on the phone. 1 hand craft and cheese. I see no reason to take an oppt serious and waste my energy focus on weaker opposition. I was on the phone with my mom who is on the otherside of the country. I 4 pool 4 games in a row while we were talking ... without missing any of my conversation and won 520 points going from c- to c so that I could play some more interesting games ... it might be disrespectfull to play this way. But if somebody can't kill 3 lurkers with 10 MM then I don't want to play them anyway... Now be honest, have u ever even played iccup ? :D | ||
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BuGzlToOnl
United States5918 Posts
http://sc.iccup.com/iccmatchlist/364805/1x1/page1 :p | ||
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d1v
Sweden868 Posts
D- through c- I generaly eat. Talk on the phone. 1 hand craft and cheese. I see no reason to take an oppt serious and waste my energy focus on weaker opposition. You know, I might understand this, but quite a lot of my opponents are like 100 APMers, and while I don't want to start any APM discussion here, this is quite low and I can't imagine them being totally superior players who just want to skip the D-range bullshit. | ||
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Zherak
Norway256 Posts
5 pooling on Python and hoping he scouts you last - that's questionable, because it depends so strongly on luck. If you keep getting cheesed on Blue Storm, scout faster. 5th SCV, for instance. | ||
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YPang
United States4024 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
On August 11 2008 07:16 kroko wrote: Now be honest, have u ever even played iccup ? :D The only mistake I made was putting a Minus sign after D ... my bad. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
After C+ 4pool only works 1 outta four or five times .... its only done to get to a certain point. Or for bad players to maintain an inflatted ranking. | ||
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d1v
Sweden868 Posts
On August 11 2008 08:13 AttackZerg wrote: I think cheese is gay as hell. But I have a fulltime job. Kid. Baby momma. BW vod obbsessions , forum obbsession and I bw addiction. I just don't have the time/energy to spend 12-15 minutes doing 200-220 actions per minute playing with my heart pounding when I can win this easily. After C+ 4pool only works 1 outta four or five times .... its only done to get to a certain point. Or for bad players to maintain an inflatted ranking. Yeah, but is it fun for you to 4 Pool? Or do you see it like some sort of gambling where you have a bit of influence? I could never draw joy from something that one-dimensional, I guess.. | ||
thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
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d1v
Sweden868 Posts
On August 11 2008 08:17 thedeadhaji wrote: improve micro and keep uni tproduction up while intense micro. Well, I guess this is not so much of a problem. I rather see the solution in earlier scouting, because no matter how fast you are, some rushes cannot be overcome with all the micro there is.. | ||
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iakNab
131 Posts
he doesn't even realize that his imaginary world exists only in his own imagination. | ||
Nyovne
Netherlands19133 Posts
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Peter[Deuce]
United States93 Posts
On August 11 2008 06:57 grobo wrote: You have seriously never been cheesed on ICCUP? Yeah, i'm serious. | ||
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prOxi.swAMi
Australia3091 Posts
Please don't get angry at people for playing to win. They're trying to win, and if a 5pool will get them that win, why shouldn't they try it? | ||
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Shauni
4077 Posts
'lame' is no excuse to lose to 'cheese'. Up your micro. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
On August 11 2008 08:25 iakNab wrote: i feel bad for AttackZerg he doesn't even realize that his imaginary world exists only in his own imagination. You are fucking awesome. Bad players are boring. Bad posters are the worst. You sir are fucked. | ||
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OakHill
United States168 Posts
On August 11 2008 06:42 d1v wrote: This goes to all you hardcore cheesers out there on ICCUP: What do you feel, when you 5 Pool somebody on BlueStorm? Why do you do this? Do you really think you'll improve? Do you really think, that you can ladder up with cheesing? Does it feel like a deserved win to you? Do you feel satisfied, do you feel superior? Please, let me see inside of you, for I can't understand you.. Winning is winning | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
On August 11 2008 08:16 d1v wrote: Yeah, but is it fun for you to 4 Pool? Or do you see it like some sort of gambling where you have a bit of influence? I could never draw joy from something that one-dimensional, I guess.. I 4-5-6 pool or do another purely aggressive builds ... 2 hat speedling > lurker all-ins ... (real all-ins) and such to just speed up the process. Bad players these days all are learning how to macro, If I can micro better then they can micro ... lets say I'm 6/4 in micro, 6/4 in strategy but only 5/5 in macro .... Why would I go for a macro war ... I'll go for a micro intensive timmed strategy EVERY time. | ||
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iakNab
131 Posts
On August 11 2008 08:48 AttackZerg wrote: You are fucking awesome. Bad players are boring. Bad posters are the worst. You sir are fucked. you're bad player, bad poster and a liar to top it off. I'm not going to flame you back, you've been punished enough in your life  | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
On August 11 2008 08:51 iakNab wrote: you're bad player, bad poster and a liar to top it off. I'm not going to flame you back, you've been punished enough in your life umm ... I definately use cheese to get to C/C+ on iccup every time. I have 4 accounts which can back that claim up. I've been posting since Jan-03 I'm sure I've put in a few decent posts in the time. You ... have never put one up. Bad player eh? .... C+/B- ... better then average, worse then gosu .... right where I like to be. Go eat a dick. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
On August 11 2008 08:51 iakNab wrote: you're bad player, bad poster and a liar to top it off. I'm not going to flame you back, you've been punished enough in your life seriously though I would like to know why you are trying so hard to dick ride ... This isn't useast... I don't flame people. I just will respond to trolling assholes who don't know me and don't belong to this community talking shit that they can't back up .... lier ...... go fuck yourself. | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
a) see how far I could get b) note the reactions to various people c) compare myself to NrG.ZaM's 5-pool only smurf After using 4-pool only on longinus on the ID "fag" quite a few seasons ago, my answers revealed themselves: a) B- b) hilarious c) superior EDIT: Yeah I originally forgot the actual reason of doing this in the first place, lol. : ] | ||
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FlameD[TOp]
Canada247 Posts
You said you get cheesed 75% of the time | ||
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BottleAbuser
Korea (South)1888 Posts
There is no agreement that he won't cheese you, or you won't cheese him. There's a reason it's called "cheese" and is not a normal strategy: it doesn't work against better players. Solution: get better and deal with it, or you'll never get anywhere. I do use cheese strategies sometimes. And it irritates me that people complain about it. Why should I just sit there and let you 14cc? Isn't that a kind of a "cheese" if you sit there defenseless and pump more workers and not expect me to attack? Isn't it a kind of a "cheese" if you spend all your time perfecting your macro but can't micro for shit, and expect me to attack-ground? | ||
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FragKrag
United States11550 Posts
Cheese is also an efficient way to get past the D rank. 2 Port Wraith, Bunker rush, Cannon rush, 5 pool, 6 pool, etc are all ez wins against people who play too normal. | ||
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
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minus_human
4784 Posts
On August 11 2008 06:57 Mastermind wrote: 75% of your games are cheese? Thats shocking. I have been cheesed once on iccup and I have played well over a hundred games on there. than TRY TERRAN you silly Protoss every retard with half a brain could play Protoss and never fear of being cheesed | ||
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shavingcream66
United States1219 Posts
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BottleAbuser
Korea (South)1888 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Nah, not really. But where does it end? Just do what it takes to win. If that means learning to deal with cheese... yeah. | ||
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d1v
Sweden868 Posts
However, for the past month, I was playing a lot, like 15 Games a day, since I'm on holidays. But somehow any motivation is gone, since there's more frustration than joy, more drawbacks than there is gain. Further more, I've realised, that in order to improve significantly, I would have to invest more time into SC in general, which I don't have. Therefore, if anyone is interested in a free, working SC serial key, feel free to PM me and I shall send it asap. Thx for reading, d1v | ||
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MiniRoman
Canada3953 Posts
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GrayArea
United States872 Posts
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CrimsonLotus
Colombia1123 Posts
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FragKrag
United States11550 Posts
On August 11 2008 11:26 MiniRoman wrote: I 10/12 every PvZ followed by 9/10 when they call me a cheesey faggot. +_+ You are my hero.  | ||
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FreeDoM[YA]
Canada855 Posts
4 Pool fails= game lost 4 Pool succeeds= game won I've learned to deal with cheesers and I son't get cheesesd often mainly because I'm D Terran.  Oh well. | ||
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FreeDoM[YA]
Canada855 Posts
On August 11 2008 11:17 d1v wrote: Nah, I think I know the right move now. I'm going to quit this game, seriously. I've been playing it for a year now and while it's kept me entertained during countless hours, it also did it's share of evil, as in keeping me from studying and going out and spending less time working out. However, for the past month, I was playing a lot, like 15 Games a day, since I'm on holidays. But somehow any motivation is gone, since there's more frustration than joy, more drawbacks than there is gain. Further more, I've realised, that in order to improve significantly, I would have to invest more time into SC in general, which I don't have. Therefore, if anyone is interested in a free, working SC serial key, feel free to PM me and I shall send it asap. Thx for reading, d1v   Well, so it happens, another person to quit the bonds of Starcraft> Possibly to be seen again. Possibly not. I now end this chapter and conclude with a goodbye to d1v | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
On August 11 2008 11:17 d1v wrote: Nah, I think I know the right move now. I'm going to quit this game, seriously. I've been playing it for a year now and while it's kept me entertained during countless hours, it also did it's share of evil, as in keeping me from studying and going out and spending less time working out. However, for the past month, I was playing a lot, like 15 Games a day, since I'm on holidays. But somehow any motivation is gone, since there's more frustration than joy, more drawbacks than there is gain. Further more, I've realised, that in order to improve significantly, I would have to invest more time into SC in general, which I don't have. Therefore, if anyone is interested in a free, working SC serial key, feel free to PM me and I shall send it asap. Thx for reading, d1v If you played 3-4 games a day and then watch 2 out of the three or four replays on fastest and then watch 1 pro gamming replay/vod a day and payed close attention. You would improve. Playing alot workly works when you are at higher levels. If you really enjoy and put full effort physically and mentally into a few games a day and enjoy it, you are ahead in the game of life imo vs people who play 20-30 games a day dreaming to improve ... This is a sport, whether you are good or not, its a fucking dope ass game. I can't beat any NBA star in basketball or even college or fuck even decent senior high school player but damn don't I enjoy going out with my brothers and fucking them up in 21?.... catch my drift? | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
great way to move up a ladder quickly | ||
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kpcrew
Korea (South)1071 Posts
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
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tube
United States1475 Posts
On August 11 2008 15:01 kpcrew(Gg) wrote: the lamest thing is that you cant see records anymore so you cant tell whos bad or not and you cant dodge good players when i host i alt+tab to an already open iccup.com browser and check their stats very quickly before i start, but not to dodge, just to make sure their games arent all -5 minutes (aka cheeser) even if they are like 20-0 i dont kick them unless the above situation applies | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
On August 11 2008 11:26 MiniRoman wrote: I 10/12 every PvZ followed by 9/10 when they call me a cheesey faggot. +_+ since when has 10/12 gate been considered cheese? | ||
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
On August 11 2008 15:56 tube wrote: when i host i alt+tab to an already open iccup.com browser and check their stats very quickly before i start, but not to dodge, just to make sure their games arent all -5 minutes (aka cheeser) even if they are like 20-0 i dont kick them unless the above situation applies Sure... couldn't you just anti-cheese them then? -_- | ||
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Fen
Australia1848 Posts
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On August 11 2008 20:07 Superiorwolf wrote: Sure... couldn't you just anti-cheese them then? -_- haha that's actually pretty brillaint. | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6635 Posts
On August 11 2008 06:54 Peter[Deuce] wrote: I read so many posts about Iccup gayness and I have never once been cheesed at all. I've only been drophacked twice out of like 60 games. Everyone has played standard and straight up. Maybe I'm lucky? It would seem that you're very lucky. There's more cheese on ICCUP than in France | ||
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NrG.ZaM
United States267 Posts
On August 11 2008 09:15 Valentine wrote: I think that the only time I had really consistantly cheesed on any ladder was both to: a) see how far I could get b) note the reactions to various people c) compare myself to NrG.ZaM's 5-pool only smurf After using 4-pool only on longinus on the ID "fag" quite a few seasons ago, my answers revealed themselves: a) B- b) hilarious c) superior EDIT: Yeah I originally forgot the actual reason of doing this in the first place, lol. : ] bitch you was only superior cause you played on only 1 map. Plus, I quit laddering around C- while you kept at it you busta. Plus like 50% of my games were zvz which is fucking auto-loss doing 5 pool =[ | ||
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