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Metal death growls/screams
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Hypnosis
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United States5770 Posts
Just take in as big a breath as you possibly can, and try to exhale a lot of that breath while doing the growl. You really have to use a lot of air for it to get really low. And obviously open your throat as wide as it will go for pitch. Higher pitched growls are harder imo. It's really like screaming. Just get drunk, have many fluids by your side for soothing your throat, and pretend like you're throwing a tantrum. Once you mix the tantrum and the low opeth-style growls, you'll learn to achieve the effect you're looking for I believe. Just do it a little each day. Don't overdo it at first or you could hurt yourself. | ||
boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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United States5770 Posts
Then again I don't listen to american metal. | ||
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Hypnosis
United States2061 Posts
I think i do need to be under the influence even though just sitting in my room i could get some pretty loud screams (if anyone heard it would be so funny what they would think). I can do a low growl for a pretty long time i think ill have to try but my throat hurts from screaming for like 10 minutes is that normal? | ||
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Goosey
United States695 Posts
Sorry i don't have any advice for you, but this post made me smile. :D | ||
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Hypnosis
United States2061 Posts
On July 09 2008 08:07 -orb- wrote: What band has pig squealing? I've never heard of that nor do I think I've ever heard it in a song. It sounds totally ridiculous lol. Then again I don't listen to american metal. listen to job for a cowboy, salt the wound, as blood runs black. Its like saying BREEE before words, its pretty good sounding as far as metal goes. | ||
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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Hypnosis
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boesthius
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Mischy
United States179 Posts
 lol I agree with Boesthius' statement Please go listen to necrophagist and nile immediately! Even Immortal  Who can resist abbaths charm? Since I'm generous and work in the music industry i'm willing to help you out because I dont want to hear another failed attempt at music I perform metal quite often and I have to do vocals for most of the songs I happen to play. You dont have to use loads of air at all (unless doing extremely long phrases or long notes)...and dont look to achieve high volume instantly, you should be able to do a growl and successful scream at the volume you usually speak with. Let mics amplify your voice (you'll get louder and you'll be able to handle different dynamics better as you progress in your practice). As far as the technique well I'm not much into the pig-like vocal inhaling at all :S It'll tear up your vocal cords for sure (and it just isn't pleasant). To achieve the sound in growls you have to use your diaphram (so when you breath in, your chest doesn't move....it should feel like you're filling your stomach). In reference to how your throat feels, well it should be like you're talking out of your nose I suppose is a way it could be described What I mean is you shouldn't feel your throat constrict, but you'll notice your tongue is probably farther back than usual (to use your false vocal cords more effectively without destroying your true vocal cords). Overall, tongue placement will change as you get better with this certain vocal technique. Any other questions just pm me because I refuse to type more here unless you go listen to necrophagist.Edit: btw dont mic cup please...it's a big nono in my book. It kills any crisp resolution in your phrases and makes everything you growl sound like a broken dishwasher. I'm not saying you do it but its really common when people start out. p.s.- If your throat hurts you're doing it wrong. Take a break from it if it does start to hurt or you'll damage your voice even more. | ||
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United States5770 Posts
On July 09 2008 08:12 boesthius wrote: I wanted to help you but since you listed BMTH and Jfac as metal I think I'm going to go cry now .BMTH = shitty deathcore Go listen to some Nile or Hate Eternal for death metal if you want the real thing =/. Necrophagist's vocals have a little inward growling to them, if you want some of that. QFT I was at a gigantour concert earlier this year, and while children of bodom was fucking epic, JFAC was fucking terrible. It was an outdoor concert and we had to leave the main seated area to go sit in the grassy hill behind because they were so bad. | ||
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AmorVincitOmnia
Kenya3846 Posts
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
What's your guys' favorite Necrophagist song? Personally, I like Stabwound, followed by Only Ash Remains and Intestinal Incubation. | ||
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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Mischy
United States179 Posts
I'm gonna go with 'Fermented Offal Discharge', 'Diminished to B', 'To breathe in a casket'...though I do like what you guys listed too so I can't decide Not sure you'd get that many responses here tbh | ||
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Hypnosis
United States2061 Posts
Ill try and find my voice and record some screams for you guys LOL. I listen to metal all day and i dont really like necrophagist, its too crazy.. maybe i need to listen closer. I guess it just takes time. Nile is fucking bad imo, its like shitty grindcore (which is really annoying) | ||
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Mischy
United States179 Posts
I can see where you're coming from regarding nile though so I dont feel the need to say anything against your opinionExcept: + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2d44qWuOl0 wtf it's good Definitely do some screams :D lol would be nice to hear how you sound. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
Ez. | ||
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
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Hypnosis
United States2061 Posts
On July 10 2008 09:23 boesthius wrote: Necrophagist is technical deathmetal, as is Nile - sometimes they focus on being so technical it's hard for some to get into. BMTH is deathcore - metalcore with death metal influence; otherwise known as shit. They have pretty funny lyrics though. and i like the breakdowns like i said.. Yea (Necrophagist) they are too technical its annoying.. ok I will record some stuff tommorow, im fucking tired and my voice hurts.. Oh another band i would like to sound like is The faceless, they have such sweet lyrics and vocals. | ||
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ZZangDreamjOy
Canada959 Posts
The Faceless are ok, but they just steal riffs from so many other bands, a few of their songs even sound like Nile at alot of points. Necrophagist can be good, but sometimes they get annoying. Same with Psycroptic, Spawn of Possession, Anata, etc. You just have to be in the mood for it. If your a fan of breakdowns, go listen to All Shall Perish, Whitechapel, etc. | ||
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Hypnosis
United States2061 Posts
An autopsy by the faceless has the sickest breakdown ever!! who here is stoked for the new Abigail Williams album? | ||
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ZZangDreamjOy
Canada959 Posts
Here's the issue though Hypnosis. Your going to be harrassed and ridiculed for listening to that stuff over Nile, Necrophagist for a lot of reasons. The main ones having to do with the fact that they ARE just mindless breakdowns, the lyrics have nothing great to them at all, and they are a fad. And the main issue I'd say is, you may be a scene kid. WHAT ARE SCENE KIDS YOU MIGHT ASK? People who think grindcore is iwrestledabearonce, and think that job for a cowboy truly is death metal. lol | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17732 Posts
On July 09 2008 08:31 Mischy wrote: oh lord lol I agree with Boesthius' statement Please go listen to necrophagist and nile immediately! Even Immortal Who can resist abbaths charm? Since I'm generous and work in the music industry i'm willing to help you out because I dont want to hear another failed attempt at music I perform metal quite often and I have to do vocals for most of the songs I happen to play. You dont have to use loads of air at all (unless doing extremely long phrases or long notes)...and dont look to achieve high volume instantly, you should be able to do a growl and successful scream at the volume you usually speak with. Let mics amplify your voice (you'll get louder and you'll be able to handle different dynamics better as you progress in your practice). As far as the technique well I'm not much into the pig-like vocal inhaling at all :S It'll tear up your vocal cords for sure (and it just isn't pleasant). To achieve the sound in growls you have to use your diaphram (so when you breath in, your chest doesn't move....it should feel like you're filling your stomach). In reference to how your throat feels, well it should be like you're talking out of your nose I suppose is a way it could be described What I mean is you shouldn't feel your throat constrict, but you'll notice your tongue is probably farther back than usual (to use your false vocal cords more effectively without destroying your true vocal cords). Overall, tongue placement will change as you get better with this certain vocal technique. Any other questions just pm me because I refuse to type more here unless you go listen to necrophagist.Edit: btw dont mic cup please...it's a big nono in my book. It kills any crisp resolution in your phrases and makes everything you growl sound like a broken dishwasher. I'm not saying you do it but its really common when people start out. p.s.- If your throat hurts you're doing it wrong. Take a break from it if it does start to hurt or you'll damage your voice even more. toooo much toooo muchhh | ||
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Mischy
United States179 Posts
Well just look at this picture and it will all be okay. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/mattslope/9tjskp.gif) yup...this is completely relevant | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17732 Posts
But i use alot too so i guess nvm | ||
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Hypnosis
United States2061 Posts
On July 10 2008 12:35 ZZangDreamjOy wrote: Abigail Williams is ok, I'll definately listen to them. Here's the issue though Hypnosis. Your going to be harrassed and ridiculed for listening to that stuff over Nile, Necrophagist for a lot of reasons. The main ones having to do with the fact that they ARE just mindless breakdowns, the lyrics have nothing great to them at all, and they are a fad. And the main issue I'd say is, you may be a scene kid. WHAT ARE SCENE KIDS YOU MIGHT ASK? People who think grindcore is iwrestledabearonce, and think that job for a cowboy truly is death metal. lol I understand the greatness of the older bands, and i respect them i just dont personally listen to them over say, BMTH or JFAC.. go abigail williams!! Im definately not a scene kid i just enjoy darker lyrics over shit you hear on the radio (see Naglfar  )..I know scene kids, and its just a style of this decade so it doesn;t bother me if they wear too-tight pants because i don't vouch for other kids lol. I also listen to older bands like The Misfits and such so i DO know what good music is.. JFAC is pretty intense but i would probably classify it as deathcore? Not sure.. Anything that sounds good and i want to hear again is good as long as its metal.. Except COB's new album and cradle of filths new album. and NO i do not hardcore dance LOL. Im going to try to get more into necrophagist it sounds like a great band, just hard to get into.. edit: grindcore is way too annoyingly fast, even for me. | ||
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Kwidowmaker
Canada978 Posts
-edit- not some of, it's THE original death metal. | ||
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Falcynn
United States3597 Posts
On July 09 2008 16:50 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Extreme Unction is the first song that I actually liked before I started getting into more of their stuff, so I'd have to say that Guys, let's turn this into a thread about Necrophagist! What's your guys' favorite Necrophagist song? Personally, I like Stabwound, followed by Only Ash Remains and Intestinal Incubation. | ||
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Kwidowmaker
Canada978 Posts
First Death song I heard was Spirit Crusher (I realise we're not talking about that, but we SHOULD) | ||
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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Hypnosis
United States2061 Posts
On July 11 2008 13:50 Kwidowmaker wrote: Hypnosis, heard of Death? No one seems to have except for the cutie that sold me the Death shirt I just bought today. Basically, it's pretty much the original Death metal. It's well worth checking out; it leaves BMTH in the dust even thought Chuck is now dead. -edit- not some of, it's THE original death metal. Yes i have heard of Death, who hasnt? | ||
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