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So all my games will be played on ICCup from now on. I'm currently hovering just below 1000, which doesn't include the 260 points that I haven't recieved from drophacks. And I don't know if they're gonna do anything about it or what. Apparently my first day happened to be the same day that the site got overloaded or something, and they aren't gonna be able to handle all the complaints from that day. Or maybe they will, I dunno. It's not like I'm real good or anything, so it's no biggie.
My goal is to make it to D+ by the end of the season, which honestly can't be too difficult, since I get +130 for a win, and -50 for a loss. I think my biggest problem will be lack of time, but I'm sure I'll find enough time to play in the next 2.5 months. That said, my record is
Zerg(32 games)
( 7)ZvZ: 1- 6 14.2%
(12)ZvP: 3- 9 25.0%
(13)ZvT: 5- 8 38.4%
(32)SUM: 9-23 28.1%
Some of the players, it seems they must be way better than D level, cuz I just got owned horribly some games.
Another thing I'd like to comment on is the etiquette on ICCup. It seems to be nonexistent, at least in the positive sense. Of my 32 games, I've gotten 4 ggs, and 2 of them were me losing and my opponent gg'ing before me. It's sad really. I hope it gets better as I climb the ranks.
ZvZ: I've decided that my past "standard" build in ZvZ sucks, since it's not strong economically, and it's not aggressive enough to punish my opponent's econ opening. That seems to be the common problem with 12pool builds; it's only half good at two things, so it's usefulness walks a fine line. Anyways, my new standard open is 12hatch inbase, 11pool, 11gas, lair first, lingspeed only if needed (but it probably will be most games), and plan to get a sunk incase I need it. With good building/unit placement, I can be pretty secure with only one sunk while I get lair/spire. So my ZvZ record sucks ass, but I've used a shitty build for all but one of those games. The only time I'm considering not using my new standard is on two player maps like Blue Storm, where aggression is much more viable.
ZvP: Still suck at ZvP, but I'm working on it. Way back when, I got my lair immediately, but too early, and had no econ, except for an all-in which rarely worked. Then, I got lair too late, and had an okay econ, but got raped by the +1 speedzeals. Now, I'm working on getting a good econ going, AND getting gas in a timely manner. Forcing myself to get 4 hatch before gas helps this. Then, unless he went for 1gate tech to corsairs off one base, I'll usually spend my first gas on +1carapace, then get my nat gas, and get Lair, then hydra den + a few hydras. Shortly after that, I want to get my third gas up and running. I dunno, I'm still relatively clueless in this matchup.
ZvT: ZvT is my best matchup, definitely. Going into a game, I feel most comfortable in ZvT. The only thing is bunker rushes. Out of the 13 ZvTs I've played, 8 have been losses, and 4 have been to bunker rushes. It's a huge hole in my ZvT right now. I think if I could notice it sooner, I'd be able to deal with it more easily. I've handled bunker rushes on bnet before, but it seems my biggest problem is I notice the bunker building too late due to the hatchery's shitty vision, and get screwed. So what I've been doing as of the past 1 ZvT is just making sure I can clearly see the bunker-prone area in order to react to it. I don't think it's too much of a sacrifice to just have a drone sitting there to deal with it before it happens. Once my pool is done, I'm fine.
Generally I go 3hatch muta, but I'll sometimes build a den at the correct timing to possibly throw off the terran if he scans and only sees the den. Also, SCVs tend to somehow be able to get into my base even with my lings blocking the exit from his base. Building the den has caused me to easily win 2 games with mutas because he had no turrets, and had his army containing me, expecting to force my 3rd base later by making me break out with lurkers. One game that went exactly like that was against a 290 APM Korean who drophacked me when he lost. At the D level, Terran's seem to have a lot of difficulty with mutas in my experience.
I now only play against players who have antihack on, which actually makes it tougher to get in a game. A lot of the time, the game is full as soon as it shows up on the screen, and since people make restrictions like "D+ only," "no Z," etc, I sometimes sit in the lobby for a few minutes just trying to get a game. Wish I could host.
Questions:
ZvT:
1. One game I played, I wasn't able to get my scout drone into his base, due to me scouting him last. I kept a watchful eye over his nat with a ling, to see when he expoed, and he didn't expo at the 1rax cc timing, so I assumed he was going for a sunk-break, and made more sunks. Then wraiths flew into my base and started raping overlords. I eventually dealt with his harass, but not before taking noticeable damage, at which point he followed up with a dropship full of mnm. This strat owned me pretty bad. What can/should I do if I'm unable to scout the Terran? Should I send in an overlord? Cuz' it doesn't seem like it'll get very far, and probably won't even get any good info.
ZvZ:
1.I'm thinking that if I ZvZ and secure my nat, I just have to be able to defend my opponent's earlier aggression for a short while before I can just overpower him with a greater gas econ. If I 12hatch@nat or 12pool12hatch@nat, what can/should I do to defend until my econ pulls ahead? I may have to deal with lots of fast lings, or fast mutas. Obviously I can scout which one is coming based on his lair/spire timing, but what should I do to defend from each? Should I plan on going evo:spore against mutas, or try to defend with my own muta/scourge? Sunks at my nat to deal with mass lings seems like it could be a bad idea depending on the map, since they might be able to run through. The only alternative I can think of is to delay my gas/pull drones off gas and pump lots of lings until I'm safe, then power econ to take advantage of my additional base. Any comments on this line of thinking?
ZvP:
1. Why don't protoss players build a pylon where my nat would go and follow it up with cannons behind the minerals more often? I've only had this happen once so far, and when protoss FEs and Zerg 12hatch why is this not done more? How can I stop it?
As always, comments and constructive criticism welcome.
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United States24736 Posts
On June 10 2008 07:12 Dromar wrote:
ZvP:
1. Why don't protoss players build a pylon where my nat would go and follow it up with cannons behind the minerals more often? I've only had this happen once so far, and when protoss FEs and Zerg 12hatch why is this not done more? How can I stop it?
Because despite being the most brilliant and skilled of the races, protoss players are very gm.
I'm not sure if your lings will normally make it in time since I don't use that technique, but at the very least you can pull a few drones early and stop the cannons no problem if the pylon is positioned to block the hatch rather than make the cannons inaccessible.
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scout scout scout ansewrs most of ur questions.
if u suspect anything, send in ur ovie into his main. even if it dies, atleast u know whats going on.
in ZvT if that happens, send in the ovie. If u do it well, can find his tech and run without dying. otherwise, just prepare to sacrifice 100 minerals for some game winning knowledge.
ZvZ to defend against mutas, u make ur own mutas or evo chamber and spores if he has more mutas than u.
to defend against lings, make 2 sunks and a lot of lings
ZvP: u should scout their scouting probe if it looks suspicious, or keep ur ovie over ur nat.
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Some of the players, it seems they must be way better than D level, cuz I just got owned horribly some games.
Don't sweat that. It's a privilege every time you get to play someone better than you, so be happy you're getting those games. They're just people climbing the ladder, and you happen to be on the way.
Another thing I'd like to comment on is the etiquette on ICCup. It seems to be nonexistent, at least in the positive sense. Of my 32 games, I've gotten 4 ggs, and 2 of them were me losing and my opponent gg'ing before me. It's sad really. I hope it gets better as I climb the ranks.
Some people just don't bother saying gg. It's not always a personal comment on the game, especially at D level (where they might not even know it's traditional to do so). If they're saying gg before you, it might be because you're dragging the game out and they're getting annoyed.
Other than that, good luck in your games. You probably just need to be faster.
That seems to be the common problem with 12pool builds
Ask Chill why 12 pool is the best possible build in all matchups.
Also: You should give this a read: http://www.geocities.com/brattsunami/intro.html
It's tsunami's old Zerg guide... it's really, really out of date, but a lot of the information is really good for new players. It's what I read when I first started playing Zerg, it's got some good philosophical advice about the game 
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I dont find D that BM. People get frustrated when they lose, and sometimes people have to go, so they just say GG to try to make you leave :O
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United States24736 Posts
On June 10 2008 07:39 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
I dont find D that BM. People get frustrated when they lose, and sometimes people have to go, so they just say GG to try to make you leave :O
Haha it's been a while since I've been significantly bm'd. If they don't gg before they leave I don't really care so long as that's all there is to it. I sometimes get annoyed if I say 'gg' and they don't respond.
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On June 10 2008 07:18 micronesia wrote:
Because despite being the most brilliant and skilled of the races, protoss players are very gm.
lol, so true so true
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On June 10 2008 07:47 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2008 07:39 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
I dont find D that BM. People get frustrated when they lose, and sometimes people have to go, so they just say GG to try to make you leave :O Haha it's been a while since I've been significantly bm'd. If they don't gg before they leave I don't really care so long as that's all there is to it. I sometimes get annoyed if I say 'gg' and they don't respond.
Well saying gg first is technically bm so thats probably why some people dont respond to you
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On June 10 2008 09:11 cava wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2008 07:47 micronesia wrote:On June 10 2008 07:39 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
I dont find D that BM. People get frustrated when they lose, and sometimes people have to go, so they just say GG to try to make you leave :O Haha it's been a while since I've been significantly bm'd. If they don't gg before they leave I don't really care so long as that's all there is to it. I sometimes get annoyed if I say 'gg' and they don't respond. Well saying gg first is technically bm so thats probably why some people dont respond to you
when he loses
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On June 10 2008 07:12 Dromar wrote:
ZvT:
1. One game I played, I wasn't able to get my scout drone into his base, due to me scouting him last. I kept a watchful eye over his nat with a ling, to see when he expoed, and he didn't expo at the 1rax cc timing, so I assumed he was going for a sunk-break, and made more sunks. Then wraiths flew into my base and started raping overlords. I eventually dealt with his harass, but not before taking noticeable damage, at which point he followed up with a dropship full of mnm. This strat owned me pretty bad. What can/should I do if I'm unable to scout the Terran? Should I send in an overlord? Cuz' it doesn't seem like it'll get very far, and probably won't even get any good info.
What you can do here is show of your lings. (Of course his scv shouldn't be scouting you all the time).
Send in the overlord and move your lings around his choke, try to see how many rines he has if possible. Those lings might scare him to send rines after the overlord. If he only sends one marine, the overlord should get far into the base, if he sends more you can try to get your lings into the base.
If he sends a few after the overlord and still has a good amount at the choke its save to assume that he went 2 rax, so most likely no wraith.
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you lose 65 points, per game if u play motw,
protoss doesnt gay nat AND build pylons there because they're screwed if u just run some lings to his base, also if it fails then toss will be way behind.
in ZvT on any map, as soon as u figure out where the T's base is, send ur scouting ov in that direction if u didnt already do so. if T didnt already expand when u expected him to then send an ovie into his base and send ur first whatever lings to scout the map for prox
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On June 10 2008 07:47 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2008 07:39 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
I dont find D that BM. People get frustrated when they lose, and sometimes people have to go, so they just say GG to try to make you leave :O Haha it's been a while since I've been significantly bm'd. If they don't gg before they leave I don't really care so long as that's all there is to it. I sometimes get annoyed if I say 'gg' and they don't respond.
This really annoys me and pisses me off. If they don't say 'gg' after I do and I'm gonna lose, I'll spam 'gg' until they do. After a while, I'll say "It's bm not to say gg after me" and then i'll leave.
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United States24736 Posts
On June 10 2008 11:20 CaucasianAsian wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2008 07:47 micronesia wrote:On June 10 2008 07:39 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
I dont find D that BM. People get frustrated when they lose, and sometimes people have to go, so they just say GG to try to make you leave :O Haha it's been a while since I've been significantly bm'd. If they don't gg before they leave I don't really care so long as that's all there is to it. I sometimes get annoyed if I say 'gg' and they don't respond. This really annoys me and pisses me off. If they don't say 'gg' after I do and I'm gonna lose, I'll spam 'gg' until they do. After a while, I'll say "It's bm not to say gg after me" and then i'll leave.
Haha yeah what annoys me is all they have to do is type it and they win, and they know it, but they don't.
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I usually don't wait for the gg back. I just gg and quit real fast, hopefully to leave them hanging in mid-gg.
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i always find it particularly funny when i win a game with relative ease, but apparently my opponent was trying his hardest and goes "GG!!!" or whatnot, and i'm like.. "eer..O_o, oh right!" *he leaves* -> gg! oh crap he left, maybe why people don't say gg? lol
either way don't go on iccup expecting friends D:
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On June 10 2008 11:20 CaucasianAsian wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2008 07:47 micronesia wrote:On June 10 2008 07:39 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
I dont find D that BM. People get frustrated when they lose, and sometimes people have to go, so they just say GG to try to make you leave :O Haha it's been a while since I've been significantly bm'd. If they don't gg before they leave I don't really care so long as that's all there is to it. I sometimes get annoyed if I say 'gg' and they don't respond. This really annoys me and pisses me off. If they don't say 'gg' after I do and I'm gonna lose, I'll spam 'gg' until they do. After a while, I'll say "It's bm not to say gg after me" and then i'll leave.
On June 10 2008 12:49 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
I usually don't wait for the gg back. I just gg and quit real fast, hopefully to leave them hanging in mid-gg.
I go CaucasianAsian style if it was actually a good game, otherwise the sAviOr/Dr.Dragoon inside me (sAviOr always tries to leave before the other guy can say it it seems) just unleashs that ol' ggaltqq.
I hate when you ggaltqq too fast and don't hit enter the second time, so it seems like you leave without gg and you end up whispering the guy to apologize.
I do, at least :p
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United States24736 Posts
On June 10 2008 13:27 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2008 11:20 CaucasianAsian wrote:On June 10 2008 07:47 micronesia wrote:On June 10 2008 07:39 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
I dont find D that BM. People get frustrated when they lose, and sometimes people have to go, so they just say GG to try to make you leave :O Haha it's been a while since I've been significantly bm'd. If they don't gg before they leave I don't really care so long as that's all there is to it. I sometimes get annoyed if I say 'gg' and they don't respond. This really annoys me and pisses me off. If they don't say 'gg' after I do and I'm gonna lose, I'll spam 'gg' until they do. After a while, I'll say "It's bm not to say gg after me" and then i'll leave. Show nested quote +On June 10 2008 12:49 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
I usually don't wait for the gg back. I just gg and quit real fast, hopefully to leave them hanging in mid-gg. I go CaucasianAsian style if it was actually a good game, otherwise the sAviOr/Dr.Dragoon inside me (sAviOr always tries to leave before the other guy can say it it seems) just unleashs that ol' ggaltqq. I hate when you ggaltqq too fast and don't hit enter the second time, so it seems like you leave without gg and you end up whispering the guy to apologize. I do, at least :p
I'd figure you have so much practicing typing out by now that you'd be an expert.
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On June 10 2008 13:29 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2008 13:27 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On June 10 2008 11:20 CaucasianAsian wrote:On June 10 2008 07:47 micronesia wrote:On June 10 2008 07:39 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
I dont find D that BM. People get frustrated when they lose, and sometimes people have to go, so they just say GG to try to make you leave :O Haha it's been a while since I've been significantly bm'd. If they don't gg before they leave I don't really care so long as that's all there is to it. I sometimes get annoyed if I say 'gg' and they don't respond. This really annoys me and pisses me off. If they don't say 'gg' after I do and I'm gonna lose, I'll spam 'gg' until they do. After a while, I'll say "It's bm not to say gg after me" and then i'll leave. On June 10 2008 12:49 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
I usually don't wait for the gg back. I just gg and quit real fast, hopefully to leave them hanging in mid-gg. I go CaucasianAsian style if it was actually a good game, otherwise the sAviOr/Dr.Dragoon inside me (sAviOr always tries to leave before the other guy can say it it seems) just unleashs that ol' ggaltqq. I hate when you ggaltqq too fast and don't hit enter the second time, so it seems like you leave without gg and you end up whispering the guy to apologize. I do, at least :p I'd figure you have so much practicing typing out by now that you'd be an expert.
Sorry, I play a race that requires a certain amount of skill so my wins aren't as numerous as yours no doubt are.
protoss rush is dog manner
very dog manner kekeke
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United States24736 Posts
On June 10 2008 13:35 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2008 13:29 micronesia wrote:On June 10 2008 13:27 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On June 10 2008 11:20 CaucasianAsian wrote:On June 10 2008 07:47 micronesia wrote:On June 10 2008 07:39 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
I dont find D that BM. People get frustrated when they lose, and sometimes people have to go, so they just say GG to try to make you leave :O Haha it's been a while since I've been significantly bm'd. If they don't gg before they leave I don't really care so long as that's all there is to it. I sometimes get annoyed if I say 'gg' and they don't respond. This really annoys me and pisses me off. If they don't say 'gg' after I do and I'm gonna lose, I'll spam 'gg' until they do. After a while, I'll say "It's bm not to say gg after me" and then i'll leave. On June 10 2008 12:49 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
I usually don't wait for the gg back. I just gg and quit real fast, hopefully to leave them hanging in mid-gg. I go CaucasianAsian style if it was actually a good game, otherwise the sAviOr/Dr.Dragoon inside me (sAviOr always tries to leave before the other guy can say it it seems) just unleashs that ol' ggaltqq. I hate when you ggaltqq too fast and don't hit enter the second time, so it seems like you leave without gg and you end up whispering the guy to apologize. I do, at least :p I'd figure you have so much practicing typing out by now that you'd be an expert. Sorry, I play a race that requires a certain amount of skill so my wins aren't as numerous as yours no doubt are. protoss rush is dog manner very dog manner kekeke
You also have skill blaming your losses on race imbalances. Looks like we will need to settle our differences with a bo9.
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On June 10 2008 13:38 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2008 13:35 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On June 10 2008 13:29 micronesia wrote:On June 10 2008 13:27 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On June 10 2008 11:20 CaucasianAsian wrote:On June 10 2008 07:47 micronesia wrote:On June 10 2008 07:39 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
I dont find D that BM. People get frustrated when they lose, and sometimes people have to go, so they just say GG to try to make you leave :O Haha it's been a while since I've been significantly bm'd. If they don't gg before they leave I don't really care so long as that's all there is to it. I sometimes get annoyed if I say 'gg' and they don't respond. This really annoys me and pisses me off. If they don't say 'gg' after I do and I'm gonna lose, I'll spam 'gg' until they do. After a while, I'll say "It's bm not to say gg after me" and then i'll leave. On June 10 2008 12:49 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
I usually don't wait for the gg back. I just gg and quit real fast, hopefully to leave them hanging in mid-gg. I go CaucasianAsian style if it was actually a good game, otherwise the sAviOr/Dr.Dragoon inside me (sAviOr always tries to leave before the other guy can say it it seems) just unleashs that ol' ggaltqq. I hate when you ggaltqq too fast and don't hit enter the second time, so it seems like you leave without gg and you end up whispering the guy to apologize. I do, at least :p I'd figure you have so much practicing typing out by now that you'd be an expert. Sorry, I play a race that requires a certain amount of skill so my wins aren't as numerous as yours no doubt are. protoss rush is dog manner very dog manner kekeke You also have skill blaming your losses on race imbalances. Looks like we will need to settle our differences with a bo9.
I will grinq you so hard your clothes hurt.
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On June 10 2008 10:50 ZidaneTribal wrote:
you lose 65 points, per game if u play motw,
did not know that. I'm pretty sure it's still 50, at least for D level, because I only ever lose 50 points at a time.
protoss doesnt gay nat AND build pylons there because they're screwed if u just run some lings to his base, also if it fails then toss will be way behind.
thanks for answering that. I don't know why I didn't think of just sending my lings to his base.
in ZvT on any map, as soon as u figure out where the T's base is, send ur scouting ov in that direction if u didnt already do so. if T didnt already expand when u expected him to then send an ovie into his base and send ur first whatever lings to scout the map for prox
I think I'm just apprehensive about saccing an overlord like that. I guess it won't be as bad as other times where I lose an overlord though, since I'll know when it's gonna happnen, and can just build an extra in time. Thing is, I'm just a bit apprehensive about giving up an overlord against T, since 95+% of the time (in my experience), they either do 1rax cc or 2rax cc, so there's really nothing to see.
Oh btw, a late addition to my blog:
I won a mousepad for guessing JF to win TSL. I'm very lucky.
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i just go "lol" in place of gg
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On June 10 2008 16:54 Dromar wrote:
Oh btw, a late addition to my blog:
I won a mousepad for guessing JF to win TSL. I'm very lucky.
Wow, nice job on the mousepad
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