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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
June 06 2008 14:46 GMT
#1
Have people not taken notice or simply not cared that MYM players get auto-invite to PGL instead of a qualifying tournament determining the participants? The first season had a qualifying tournament and that was cool. But for seasons two and three, they have just invited MYM players: Draco and Sen for S2 and Dreiven and White-Ra for S3. (IdrA does not count since he is an eStro representative, not an invited foreigner)

This seems like the kind of thing people get outraged over.

In my years of not expecting anything great from the BW competitive scene, I don't get that upset when an opportunity like this flies by me. I just see it as a nice bonus if I do get a chance at it. But looking at it objectively, I have to say that what PGL has done is a bunch of shit.

What are your thoughts?

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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27149 Posts
June 06 2008 14:49 GMT
#2
MYM is the official English partner of PGL, so it isnt surprising. Considering everyone outside of China is an invite, I don't see why they wouldn't support the site that is providing them coverage.
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Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
June 06 2008 14:49 GMT
#3
Draco wasn't part of MYM in Season 2. He was invited cuz he was "Famous"

Also they invited Testie, who was part of MYM
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-06 14:51:39
June 06 2008 14:51 GMT
#4
now that you mention it, it's certainly true. But on the other hand they don't really have an obligation to hold qualifiers for their events and could honeslty do whatever they please. =/

Maybe they thought it wasn't worth the effort etc after they tried it in S1? dunno. I mean we could say the same thing about blizzcon / wwi right?

edit: nm the previous posters clearly know more than me!
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
June 06 2008 14:53 GMT
#5
What mani said.
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-06 14:54:46
June 06 2008 14:54 GMT
#6
On June 06 2008 23:51 thedeadhaji wrote:
now that you mention it, it's certainly true. But on the other hand they don't really have an obligation to hold qualifiers for their events and could honeslty do whatever they please. =/

Maybe they thought it wasn't worth the effort etc after they tried it in S1? dunno. I mean we could say the same thing about blizzcon / wwi right?



On June 06 2008 23:49 Elsi wrote:
Draco wasn't part of MYM in Season 2. He was invited cuz he was "Famous"

Also they invited Testie, who was part of MYM



On June 06 2008 23:49 Manifesto7 wrote:
MYM is the official English partner of PGL, so it isnt surprising. Considering everyone outside of China is an invite, I don't see why they wouldn't support the site that is providing them coverage.


All those posts make a lot of sense. I think I could see you doing really good in an event like that NonY
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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
June 06 2008 15:01 GMT
#7
I'm aware of the partnership between PGL and MYM. But I am looking at it from a player/spectator/fan perspective. Do people want to see such partnerships or do they want everything to be equal-opportunity? At least from the China/TSL outrage, I would assume everyone is greatly in favor of equal-opportunity.

Does it make it easier for you to accept the lack of equal-opportunity events when you know there is a good reason behind it? Though I myself don't feel like PGL/MYM have a really good reason. It's really kind of sinister and I think it'd be negative publicity for MYM if everyone realized it.

But on that business sidenote, wouldn't it be even more beneficial to MYM to be the host of their own qualifier tournament with exclusive coverage for it?
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
June 06 2008 15:03 GMT
#8
Oh and also, even if I don't have all my facts straight about only MYM players getting invites after season one, it's still true that they got free invites in season three. So we still have something to discuss Oh yeah and even if non-MYM players got invites after season one, would you really prefer to have all the spots taken up by invites of people who did well a year ago or would you like there to always be an opportunity for new blood to enter?
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Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
June 06 2008 15:17 GMT
#9
at least mym chose good people for their free slots this time. when they sent over inactive blackman i just about cut my wrists.
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Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
June 06 2008 15:19 GMT
#10
but tbh if they would host qualifiers for it then they would get 10x the hits they get from just sending their own players. when you get the community involved by playing something huge hosted at ur site then they are more likely to watch your coverage of it as it progresses.
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tehAscender
Profile Joined April 2007
94 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-06 15:33:40
June 06 2008 15:31 GMT
#11
Based on the information from this thread, I agree with you totally.

However, it's their league and they're free to do as they wish. Life isn't fair.

Regarding MYM doing their own qualifier tournament, they might consider doing that, but then it will only hurt their own chances of making it to the PGL, and furthermore some initial hassles to set-up such an event (i.e. TSL). Then you get into an argument about outsourcing work etc.

In reality, your equal-opportunity creates a double standard of qualifying system. One for foreigners one for domestic, which doesn't make much sense either.

Bottom line is I see it as a Chinese tournament, and the invites are more like a show of good faith (and PR) to mutual acquaintances. I'm not 100% sure if the following statement is correct but; I am under the impression you could go to China and qualify if you really wanted to.

In reality the only just system would be for everyone to go through the Chinese qualifiers.

Basically the way I see it, a free seed allows you to skip the entire qualification process, but obviously you have to be good too. And if you really wanted to win anyway, you could qualify yourself too.

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*I'm assuming everyone is entitled to participate in qualifiers. I apologize if any of my assumptions are incorrect, I believed them to be reasonable at the time.
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
June 06 2008 16:07 GMT
#12
hell didnt FENIX get a spot in some chinese tournament because of mym connections?
now that is something to be outraged about.
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Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
June 06 2008 16:22 GMT
#13
fenix wasnt ever in mym so i dont see how that would be related.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2902 Posts
June 06 2008 16:26 GMT
#14
[QUOTE]On June 07 2008 01:07 IdrA wrote:
hell didnt FENIX get a spot in some chinese tournament because of mym connections?
now that is something to be outraged about. [/QUOTE

ya lol
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
June 06 2008 17:07 GMT
#15
thats pretty fucked up
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
June 06 2008 17:15 GMT
#16
Draco was invited this time also but refused to go... I guess him and Fenix were the only NON MYM players to attend these things.

It is a bit unfair but I guess there's nothing really you can do... although the players they chose were all highly qualified
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Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5223 Posts
June 06 2008 17:20 GMT
#17
Fraer and Idra were supposed to go after qualifying in Season 1 but didn't. Testie was chosen as a replacement as well as a Chinese player who nearly qualified.

It does make sense why they would choose MYM players considering MYM is the biggest name outside of Korea in eSports.
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Ash
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Malaysia1978 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-06 17:25:15
June 06 2008 17:21 GMT
#18
nony please get the facts right. Sen was in ToT when he played in the first PGL and only for MYM in the second season, so far the only players who played for MYM in PGL were Testie, F91(qualified by offline qualifers-not invited), Dreiven and White-Ra. You've got the facts completely wrongly. I'm sure they invite players who are at their prime at the time like how Dreiven and White-ra are dominant at the moment and how Testie was at his prime during that time. I can assure you MYM players do not get auto-invite but I wouldn't deny that being in MYM helps in getting invited because they get more popularity when they join MYM. Please do note that PGL have tried to invite Draco and also Mondragon if im not mistaken but they rejected.


On June 07 2008 00:17 Artosis wrote:
at least mym chose good people for their free slots this time. when they sent over inactive blackman i just about cut my wrists.


P/S: That was IEST not PGL
Ash
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Malaysia1978 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-06 17:23:52
June 06 2008 17:23 GMT
#19
sorry double post
Baalzamon
Profile Joined April 2007
Germany106 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-06 17:36:28
June 06 2008 17:36 GMT
#20
i think fosken got invited too and he wasnt in MYM.
lungo
Profile Joined October 2005
Denmark276 Posts
June 06 2008 17:37 GMT
#21
contacts > effort
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Strelok
Profile Joined January 2006
Ukraine320 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-06 18:01:13
June 06 2008 18:00 GMT
#22
Once they made qualifications. 4 players received spots: Fraer didn't get visa, Advokate refused to go, Idra refused to go. And first 2 said that last day. Only Iefnaij if i'm correct went. And they had very many troubes with subsituting them in time. Sen went through msn and asked EVERYONE who wants to come. As a rezult Draco, Testie and Sen went...
After that i clearly understand why they prefer to deal with much more organized MYM team, which selects people which can and want to go!
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
June 06 2008 18:50 GMT
#23
MYM.NonY sounds pretty good.
selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
June 06 2008 22:48 GMT
#24
Excello is better
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Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5223 Posts
June 07 2008 12:15 GMT
#25
Its PGL's tournament to invite who they want and the past two seasons they went with the biggest brand name in eSports - MeetYourMakers.
WGT<3. Former CL/NW head admin.
Texas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Germany2388 Posts
June 07 2008 12:29 GMT
#26
nothing wrong with it
if these are strongest players who are willing to participate, let them go. who cares about the tag, just have nice games
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
June 07 2008 16:20 GMT
#27
On June 07 2008 01:22 Artosis wrote:
fenix wasnt ever in mym so i dont see how that would be related.

really? i coulda sworn he was in mym when they recruited that batch of newbies after sen/testie quit.
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