Personally, I'm not comparing it to real life. I don't think being good at BW makes you instantly a good general, but I don't think there is any specific evidence that Savior would NOT make a good general, that is the only point I am contending.

And Jibba, I'll post that if no one else has in a bit, I want to see how the react to my current post first.

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

May 01 2008 22:52 GMT

#63

On May 02 2008 07:09 Boblion wrote:

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Stop to compare real life to broodwar.... Seriously if you think that Savior would make a good general you are an utterly retarded fanboy dork.

The idea is that a huge component of tactics lies in the time you're allowed to make those decisions. In Starcraft, strategy does not vary so much among good players because everyone knows the appropriate builds, counters, etc. Tactically, there is a huge amount of variation and time is a big reason for that. If you removed time as a limiting factor, tactics would become formulaic as everyone would know which maneuvers to pull off and how to do them. When tactics and strategy both stall, you usually run into boring, defense oriented, dragged out affairs, as more people become capable of responding to pressure adequately. With a time constraint, the advantage is given to the attackers and it becomes more difficult to respond to each move. Thus you get a fast and exciting game, like the Showtime Lakers.

Comparing chess to speed chess is an absolutely horrible example. First of all, chess is a super dumbed down version of Starcraft. Second, it's still a turn based game, so you don't have dynamic circumstances to deal with. You simply cannot accurately compare a real time game to a turn based game.

alffla

Hong Kong20321 Posts

May 01 2008 22:57 GMT

#64

TL fighting. i hope you guys totally and utterly dominate the pcgamer members.

MasterOfChaos

Germany2896 Posts

May 01 2008 23:03 GMT

#65

why bother? Convincing blizzard is enough. Everybody else does not really matter.

maybenexttime

Poland5348 Posts

May 01 2008 23:03 GMT

#66

On May 02 2008 07:57 alffla wrote:
TL fighting. i hope you guys totally and utterly dominate the pcgamer members.

It's just a matter of them admitting it, which they won't. T___T

Boblion

France8043 Posts

May 01 2008 23:35 GMT

#67

On May 02 2008 07:52 Jibba wrote:
Comparing chess to speed chess is an absolutely horrible example. First of all, chess is a super dumbed down version of Starcraft. Second, it's still a turn based game, so you don't have dynamic circumstances to deal with. You simply cannot accurately compare a real time game to a turn based game.

I already said that Turn-based games / Macro RTS / Fast paced RTS ( broodwar ) are each different kinds of games and it is a matter of taste.

Nevertheless you can still make comparisons with other RTS or Turn-based games like chess and point out the characteristics of each games, why you ( dont ) like it, why you think it is a great game, balance issues and so on.
But when you make comparisions between 1v1 GAMES and real life battles involving thousands of PEOPLE you are a fucking dork who takes starcraft too seriously.

Stop to dream, reaching B+ rank doesnt mean that you are smarter than the D- beginner. It doesnt mean that you would be a better general neither. You are just more used ( or skilled ) to play a fucking video game.

I hate those stupids analogies.

edit: btw mechanics > strategy in broodwar.

KwarK

United States41606 Posts

May 02 2008 02:55 GMT

#68

On May 02 2008 08:35 Boblion wrote:

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My mechanics suck ass. Always have done. I'd give my classic example of my success at low apm except I said I'd stop doing that after some guy nagged me so pm me if you want to hear me brag.
To give a different example, K00lam beat Testie on Longinus with 90apm. He did it by having excellent game sense and strategy, even though his mechanics were, at 90 apm, pretty awful.

KwarK

United States41606 Posts

May 02 2008 02:56 GMT

#69

Oh, and most beginners simply cannot think. I mean the first step in any game is to just take a basic look at the map and describe its features. Most D- players struggle to do this, let alone predict how those features will influence the strategies available.

Umbrella

Taiwan936 Posts

May 02 2008 05:00 GMT

#70

Wow that was hard to read. I don't think he realized that this game WAS made for the speed and competitiveness (and strategy too!). But that's the truth with modern day games; casual games are always a plus these days... and the skill gap between pros and noobs are shrinking (look at ssbm -> ssbb, they're debating like the MBS threads...)

I really hope sc2 gets an eSports opportunity in the U.S., even though it's highly unlikely.

teamsolid

Canada3668 Posts

May 02 2008 06:08 GMT

#71

You know how you hear random people all the time complaining that Starcraft is a "rushing" game? This is a perfect example.

I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands (if not millions) more out there, so there's no way that anybody can convince most of them to change their opinion, let alone even change a single person's. I fully trust that Blizzard won't slow down the game just for them so I really don't care what one self-important retard thinks about the game.

Luddite

United States2315 Posts

May 02 2008 06:12 GMT

#72

God reading that article (and the associated forum thread) just INFURIATES me. Unfortunately, that's pretty much the reaction of every casual starcraft player.

Last Romantic

United States20661 Posts

May 02 2008 07:08 GMT

#73

Posted.

What a tiring and infantile post.

LosingID8

CA10824 Posts

May 02 2008 07:46 GMT

#74

hey, i got quoted!

and nice post LR

azndsh

United States4447 Posts

May 02 2008 07:51 GMT

#75

very eloquent post btw

MyLostTemple

United States2921 Posts

May 02 2008 08:35 GMT

#76

what's his fucking email

Last Romantic

United States20661 Posts

May 02 2008 08:49 GMT

#77

LOLLL

Tasteless go check the SC2 thread on it.

Aesop

Hungary11234 Posts

May 02 2008 09:27 GMT

#78

It still baffles me that he was referring to "hate-mail".

BlackStar

Netherlands3029 Posts

May 02 2008 09:32 GMT

#79

He's not just ignorant. He is an idiot. He knows he is ignorant and that he is going to offend people because of that. But that's what he wants. He wants to provoke 'hate mail'. WTF man, he is worse than the trolls on the bnet forums. And he gets payed to do so and many many readers.

maybenexttime

Poland5348 Posts

May 02 2008 09:44 GMT

#80

On May 02 2008 18:32 BlackStar wrote:
He's not just ignorant. He is an idiot. He knows he is ignorant and that he is going to offend people because of that. But that's what he wants. He wants to provoke 'hate mail'. WTF man, he is worse than the trolls on the bnet forums. And he gets payed to do so and many many readers.

Heh, QFT.

I also doubt, contrary to what he claims, that he played progamers in Korea. After all, he's called TL Blizzard attendees progamers. LOL