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renoB
Profile Joined June 2012
United States170 Posts
January 16 2014 21:36 GMT
#41
On January 16 2014 15:12 lichter wrote:
This chart is also pretty good at showing how ridiculous most of our 'radiation' concerns are

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

That chart is amazing.

I can confirm, just having gone to Japan, that Godzilla is not running rampant through fukushima.

..but there was snow monsters in zao...
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
January 17 2014 07:11 GMT
#42
I have recently become aware of more intelligible resources on youtube specifically on the nature of the water near California. In short, it is typical to get a high geiger reading when immediately taking samples of rainwater. This is due to radon washout, which clears in 1-2 weeks, from my limited knowledge.

I have seen spectrometer analysis of such a sample, not only a geiger reading. The video with only the geiger reading was what was making me fearful. The video that includes spectrometer analysis of a different sample explains that there are potentially very low (trace) levels of Cs137 present in Virginia. This is not to say Fukushima is not a disaster, but that its effects, both in California and Virginia, are currently much smaller than many youtube commenters and video publishers claim. According to the new source providing the spectrometer analysis, anyway.

I just wanted to share this information I have found with anyone who might be reading and becoming scared by watching too many youtube videos. It has certainly made me more serious in developing a critical analysis of information purporting to be serious.
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Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
January 17 2014 08:23 GMT
#43
On January 16 2014 20:16 BoggieMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 14:35 hp.Shell wrote:
This isn't a problem that is local to Japan, either, like Chernobyl was, because the Fukushima plant was on the ocean.

The radiation from Chernobyl reached Finland, Sweden, Germany, Denmark, Poland, Norway, Ukraine etc...

Yeah, Chernobyl was a far more global disaster than fukushima. The fact that it spills into the ocean is not even close to a big of a deal as people make it seem. Yes, it might be scientifically possible to detect changes in radiation outside of Japan, but we are talking levels so low that there's probably a bigger change in radiation between your house and the outside of your house. The vast majority of the waste falls to the bottom of the ocean just outside the leakage, where it's actually harmful.

Chernobyl on the other hand threw massive amounts of radioactive material into the atmosphere where the weather spread it over a huge part of central/eastern europe. In fact, the Chernobyl disaster was detected in Sweden first (unusual readings at a swedish nuclear powerplant), which is what uncovered the disaster because Sovjet did not let anyone know about the accident until Sweden harassed them about the heightened radiation levels.
Zavior
Profile Joined August 2009
Finland753 Posts
January 17 2014 11:25 GMT
#44
worrying for the sake of worrying never helps
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
January 17 2014 17:40 GMT
#45
On January 16 2014 15:12 lichter wrote:
This chart is also pretty good at showing how ridiculous most of our 'radiation' concerns are

[image loading]


This chart is extremely misleading. It's using random examples which are absolutely incomparable. Why do they compare one year of normal exposure to 2 weeks in the Fukushima exclusion zone? Why does the normal exposure figure include all radiation sources including food, travel and medical examinations while the Fukushima figure only accounts for radiation in the environment? Is the mammogram figure right next to the "2 weeks at Fukushima exclusion zone" figure supposed to tell me that staying at the contaminated environment is just as safe or as dangerous as this medical exam? Is the reader supposed to know that the benefit of mammograms does not outweigh the risks in women under 40? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammography) Are all the medical scans mentioned in the chart even comparable to living in a contaminated area, considering that most people are scanned rarely (not at all), while living in an irradiated zone means constant exposure?

Furthermore, there is a distinct lack of any explanation and comparison of the different dangers associated with the different radioactive elements released in Fukushima. For example, you can be fine living next to a relatively large quantity of Caesium-137 as long as you keep a distance of say 10m all the time. You'll barely be able to measure any radiation from it unless you place it right on top of your Geiger counter. However, already miniscule amounts of Caesium-137 in your body can lead to cancer. Such exposure can occur e.g. from food. Since it has been released in Fukushima, there is a very valid concern that contaminated food might pose a serious health risk to the population. Pretty much the same applies Strontium-90.

Also, the chart fails to demonstrate what kind of effect even a small increase in health risk has on a large population. Let's say, there is an incidence of cancer related to increased radiation of 0.5%. For a single person, the danger is barely increased. In a population of 1 million however, there would be 5000 cases of cancer due to this radiation.

Overall, this chart is completely useless to anyone who has no previous knowledge about radiation.
Additionally, it is very misleading for assessing the dangers of the radiation released in Fukushima since it completely omits the danger from short-to-medium-lifetime fission products, which are the most accute health concern
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
January 17 2014 21:00 GMT
#46
On January 18 2014 02:40 ggrrg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 15:12 lichter wrote:
This chart is also pretty good at showing how ridiculous most of our 'radiation' concerns are

[image loading]


This chart is extremely misleading. It's using random examples which are absolutely incomparable. Why do they compare one year of normal exposure to 2 weeks in the Fukushima exclusion zone? Why does the normal exposure figure include all radiation sources including food, travel and medical examinations while the Fukushima figure only accounts for radiation in the environment? Is the mammogram figure right next to the "2 weeks at Fukushima exclusion zone" figure supposed to tell me that staying at the contaminated environment is just as safe or as dangerous as this medical exam? Is the reader supposed to know that the benefit of mammograms does not outweigh the risks in women under 40? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammography) Are all the medical scans mentioned in the chart even comparable to living in a contaminated area, considering that most people are scanned rarely (not at all), while living in an irradiated zone means constant exposure?

Furthermore, there is a distinct lack of any explanation and comparison of the different dangers associated with the different radioactive elements released in Fukushima. For example, you can be fine living next to a relatively large quantity of Caesium-137 as long as you keep a distance of say 10m all the time. You'll barely be able to measure any radiation from it unless you place it right on top of your Geiger counter. However, already miniscule amounts of Caesium-137 in your body can lead to cancer. Such exposure can occur e.g. from food. Since it has been released in Fukushima, there is a very valid concern that contaminated food might pose a serious health risk to the population. Pretty much the same applies Strontium-90.

Also, the chart fails to demonstrate what kind of effect even a small increase in health risk has on a large population. Let's say, there is an incidence of cancer related to increased radiation of 0.5%. For a single person, the danger is barely increased. In a population of 1 million however, there would be 5000 cases of cancer due to this radiation.

Overall, this chart is completely useless to anyone who has no previous knowledge about radiation.
Additionally, it is very misleading for assessing the dangers of the radiation released in Fukushima since it completely omits the danger from short-to-medium-lifetime fission products, which are the most accute health concern

There's a disclaimer at the bottom that you should take the time to read. It's for reference and gives an idea of scale.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12714 Posts
January 18 2014 05:47 GMT
#47
I forgot to mention, the woman in the video is Helen Caldicott.
She is an anti nuclear activist but also is a runner for for Nobel prize
So she isn't some random talker
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
January 18 2014 06:34 GMT
#48
I'm sure every big military nation using the pacific as testing ground for nukes plays big role in deforms and other genetic anomalies.

Is there an official japanese stat for deformed births we could compare to other nations'?
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
January 18 2014 18:29 GMT
#49
On January 16 2014 15:44 GeckoXp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 14:35 hp.Shell wrote:


This isn't a problem that is local to Japan, either, like Chernobyl was


what

User was warned for this post: please use more than one word to make a point

I used to use memes, but then I took an arrow in the knee

User was temp banned for this post.


lulz, that ban is strange.
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