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On November 05 2013 13:50 draverjai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 06:38 Djzapz wrote:On November 05 2013 01:44 Smurfett3 wrote:On November 05 2013 01:06 draverjai wrote:It takes place in DRC, not South Africa.  For those wanting to see the article and the pics you can find it here. I was speaking the continent of south africa, not the country (oh nvm now i see what's wrong about it haha) That's not a thing. Maybe you can say southern Africa. Also DRC is not really in the south of the continent. On November 05 2013 02:06 draverjai wrote:
To be fair I have never liked monkeys either. I too find them repulsive and can't really think of them as either animal nor human but some weird half-way between life form. That really is the only aversion I have to them, but it is full aversion enough that I try to ignore their existence where possible. There is nothing between animals and humans, as humans technically are animals. That said I can't say anything about your crazy feelings. Do you not find it a little discomforting that something so close to humans in many ways is actually a hairy creature that swings from trees and eats insects?
Not at all. I even have trouble conceiving why a person would have any issue with that.
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On November 06 2013 04:09 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 13:50 draverjai wrote:On November 05 2013 06:38 Djzapz wrote:On November 05 2013 01:44 Smurfett3 wrote:On November 05 2013 01:06 draverjai wrote:It takes place in DRC, not South Africa. For those wanting to see the article and the pics you can find it here. I was speaking the continent of south africa, not the country (oh nvm now i see what's wrong about it haha) That's not a thing. Maybe you can say southern Africa. Also DRC is not really in the south of the continent. On November 05 2013 02:06 draverjai wrote:
To be fair I have never liked monkeys either. I too find them repulsive and can't really think of them as either animal nor human but some weird half-way between life form. That really is the only aversion I have to them, but it is full aversion enough that I try to ignore their existence where possible. There is nothing between animals and humans, as humans technically are animals. That said I can't say anything about your crazy feelings. Do you not find it a little discomforting that something so close to humans in many ways is actually a hairy creature that swings from trees and eats insects? Not at all. I even have trouble conceiving why a person would have any issue with that.
Same here. Hell, we're hairy and many insects are a delicacy in various parts of the world. Do you find that discomforting too? What are you, ashamed of our ancestry? do you consider yourself so advanced that being hairy or eating survival food is something you don't want to associate yourself with? I find that quite amusing but also interesting. Care to elaborate some more?
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On November 06 2013 07:13 Stratos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 04:09 Djzapz wrote:On November 05 2013 13:50 draverjai wrote:On November 05 2013 06:38 Djzapz wrote:On November 05 2013 01:44 Smurfett3 wrote:On November 05 2013 01:06 draverjai wrote:It takes place in DRC, not South Africa. For those wanting to see the article and the pics you can find it here. I was speaking the continent of south africa, not the country (oh nvm now i see what's wrong about it haha) That's not a thing. Maybe you can say southern Africa. Also DRC is not really in the south of the continent. On November 05 2013 02:06 draverjai wrote:
To be fair I have never liked monkeys either. I too find them repulsive and can't really think of them as either animal nor human but some weird half-way between life form. That really is the only aversion I have to them, but it is full aversion enough that I try to ignore their existence where possible. There is nothing between animals and humans, as humans technically are animals. That said I can't say anything about your crazy feelings. Do you not find it a little discomforting that something so close to humans in many ways is actually a hairy creature that swings from trees and eats insects? Not at all. I even have trouble conceiving why a person would have any issue with that. Same here. Hell, we're hairy and many insects are a delicacy in various parts of the world. Do you find that discomforting too? What are you, ashamed of our ancestry? do you consider yourself so advanced that being hairy or eating survival food is something you don't want to associate yourself with? I find that quite amusing but also interesting. Care to elaborate some more?
Sure.
Also I'm not referring to myself as an individual but rather to us as the human race.
Compare yourselt to a chimpanzee. Are you covered in that same thick coat of hair? Are your feet able to grip branches? Are you able to sit in that crouched position for hours on end? Do you voluntarily pick and eat insects off your neighbour's head? I'm sure that the answer to these is no. We have elvolved past that stage in our lives. We are more civilized than that now. We don't need all that hair to keep us warm because we have clothes. We have evolved to walk on two legs which are awkwardly long and in most cases people find it uncomfortable to sit with their knees up by their ears. We are ground dwelling creatures. Our cuisine has changed too since our neanderthal days. We aren't reliant on foraging or hunting. People who eat insects now are doing it out of choice.
My whole point is that we are no longer neanderthals. We are modern humans, shaped by society and technology. No, I'm not ashamed of our past at all. Look how far we have come. Look at all the evidence of apes evolving too. There is documented evidence of apes walking on their hind legs, using tools to make food easier to reach etc. These are fairly human traits. Maybe what scares me is where is this evolution going? We haven't stopped evolving and nor have they.
Also my inner artist doesn't find apes visually pleasing and and therefore I have less interest in them. And yes thats a thing before you ask.
apologies for typos. Phone typing is hard
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Monkeys are ugly, and saying so implies nothing other than that one dislikes the physical appearance of monkeys.
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On November 06 2013 13:15 draverjai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 07:13 Stratos wrote:On November 06 2013 04:09 Djzapz wrote:On November 05 2013 13:50 draverjai wrote:On November 05 2013 06:38 Djzapz wrote:On November 05 2013 01:44 Smurfett3 wrote:On November 05 2013 01:06 draverjai wrote:It takes place in DRC, not South Africa. For those wanting to see the article and the pics you can find it here. I was speaking the continent of south africa, not the country (oh nvm now i see what's wrong about it haha) That's not a thing. Maybe you can say southern Africa. Also DRC is not really in the south of the continent. On November 05 2013 02:06 draverjai wrote:
To be fair I have never liked monkeys either. I too find them repulsive and can't really think of them as either animal nor human but some weird half-way between life form. That really is the only aversion I have to them, but it is full aversion enough that I try to ignore their existence where possible. There is nothing between animals and humans, as humans technically are animals. That said I can't say anything about your crazy feelings. Do you not find it a little discomforting that something so close to humans in many ways is actually a hairy creature that swings from trees and eats insects? Not at all. I even have trouble conceiving why a person would have any issue with that. Same here. Hell, we're hairy and many insects are a delicacy in various parts of the world. Do you find that discomforting too? What are you, ashamed of our ancestry? do you consider yourself so advanced that being hairy or eating survival food is something you don't want to associate yourself with? I find that quite amusing but also interesting. Care to elaborate some more? Maybe what scares me is where is this evolution going? We haven't stopped evolving and nor have they.
That's very comical.
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On November 06 2013 13:54 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 13:15 draverjai wrote:On November 06 2013 07:13 Stratos wrote:On November 06 2013 04:09 Djzapz wrote:On November 05 2013 13:50 draverjai wrote:On November 05 2013 06:38 Djzapz wrote:On November 05 2013 01:44 Smurfett3 wrote:On November 05 2013 01:06 draverjai wrote:It takes place in DRC, not South Africa. For those wanting to see the article and the pics you can find it here. I was speaking the continent of south africa, not the country (oh nvm now i see what's wrong about it haha) That's not a thing. Maybe you can say southern Africa. Also DRC is not really in the south of the continent. On November 05 2013 02:06 draverjai wrote:
To be fair I have never liked monkeys either. I too find them repulsive and can't really think of them as either animal nor human but some weird half-way between life form. That really is the only aversion I have to them, but it is full aversion enough that I try to ignore their existence where possible. There is nothing between animals and humans, as humans technically are animals. That said I can't say anything about your crazy feelings. Do you not find it a little discomforting that something so close to humans in many ways is actually a hairy creature that swings from trees and eats insects? Not at all. I even have trouble conceiving why a person would have any issue with that. Same here. Hell, we're hairy and many insects are a delicacy in various parts of the world. Do you find that discomforting too? What are you, ashamed of our ancestry? do you consider yourself so advanced that being hairy or eating survival food is something you don't want to associate yourself with? I find that quite amusing but also interesting. Care to elaborate some more? Maybe what scares me is where is this evolution going? We haven't stopped evolving and nor have they. That's very comical.
Are you going to expand on that or just leave it as an effectual 'lol' post? I would also like to hear your views on apes.
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On November 06 2013 13:15 draverjai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 07:13 Stratos wrote:On November 06 2013 04:09 Djzapz wrote:On November 05 2013 13:50 draverjai wrote:On November 05 2013 06:38 Djzapz wrote:On November 05 2013 01:44 Smurfett3 wrote:On November 05 2013 01:06 draverjai wrote:It takes place in DRC, not South Africa. For those wanting to see the article and the pics you can find it here. I was speaking the continent of south africa, not the country (oh nvm now i see what's wrong about it haha) That's not a thing. Maybe you can say southern Africa. Also DRC is not really in the south of the continent. On November 05 2013 02:06 draverjai wrote:
To be fair I have never liked monkeys either. I too find them repulsive and can't really think of them as either animal nor human but some weird half-way between life form. That really is the only aversion I have to them, but it is full aversion enough that I try to ignore their existence where possible. There is nothing between animals and humans, as humans technically are animals. That said I can't say anything about your crazy feelings. Do you not find it a little discomforting that something so close to humans in many ways is actually a hairy creature that swings from trees and eats insects? Not at all. I even have trouble conceiving why a person would have any issue with that. Same here. Hell, we're hairy and many insects are a delicacy in various parts of the world. Do you find that discomforting too? What are you, ashamed of our ancestry? do you consider yourself so advanced that being hairy or eating survival food is something you don't want to associate yourself with? I find that quite amusing but also interesting. Care to elaborate some more? Sure. Also I'm not referring to myself as an individual but rather to us as the human race. Compare yourselt to a chimpanzee. Are you covered in that same thick coat of hair? Are your feet able to grip branches? Are you able to sit in that crouched position for hours on end? Do you voluntarily pick and eat insects off your neighbour's head? I'm sure that the answer to these is no. We have elvolved past that stage in our lives. We are more civilized than that now. We don't need all that hair to keep us warm because we have clothes. We have evolved to walk on two legs which are awkwardly long and in most cases people find it uncomfortable to sit with their knees up by their ears. We are ground dwelling creatures. Our cuisine has changed too since our neanderthal days. We aren't reliant on foraging or hunting. People who eat insects now are doing it out of choice. My whole point is that we are no longer neanderthals. We are modern humans, shaped by society and technology. No, I'm not ashamed of our past at all. Look how far we have come. Look at all the evidence of apes evolving too. There is documented evidence of apes walking on their hind legs, using tools to make food easier to reach etc. These are fairly human traits. Maybe what scares me is where is this evolution going? We haven't stopped evolving and nor have they. Also my inner artist doesn't find apes visually pleasing and and therefore I have less interest in them. And yes thats a thing before you ask. apologies for typos. Phone typing is hard
Thanks for the reply. I guess I can understand why apes could cause such reactions though I cannot identify with it myself. One last question if I may, do you recognize your discomfort as irrational?
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On November 06 2013 14:14 draverjai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 13:54 Djzapz wrote:On November 06 2013 13:15 draverjai wrote:On November 06 2013 07:13 Stratos wrote:On November 06 2013 04:09 Djzapz wrote:On November 05 2013 13:50 draverjai wrote:On November 05 2013 06:38 Djzapz wrote:On November 05 2013 01:44 Smurfett3 wrote:On November 05 2013 01:06 draverjai wrote:It takes place in DRC, not South Africa. For those wanting to see the article and the pics you can find it here. I was speaking the continent of south africa, not the country (oh nvm now i see what's wrong about it haha) That's not a thing. Maybe you can say southern Africa. Also DRC is not really in the south of the continent. On November 05 2013 02:06 draverjai wrote:
To be fair I have never liked monkeys either. I too find them repulsive and can't really think of them as either animal nor human but some weird half-way between life form. That really is the only aversion I have to them, but it is full aversion enough that I try to ignore their existence where possible. There is nothing between animals and humans, as humans technically are animals. That said I can't say anything about your crazy feelings. Do you not find it a little discomforting that something so close to humans in many ways is actually a hairy creature that swings from trees and eats insects? Not at all. I even have trouble conceiving why a person would have any issue with that. Same here. Hell, we're hairy and many insects are a delicacy in various parts of the world. Do you find that discomforting too? What are you, ashamed of our ancestry? do you consider yourself so advanced that being hairy or eating survival food is something you don't want to associate yourself with? I find that quite amusing but also interesting. Care to elaborate some more? Maybe what scares me is where is this evolution going? We haven't stopped evolving and nor have they. That's very comical. Are you going to expand on that or just leave it as an effectual 'lol' post? I would also like to hear your views on apes.
I have no view on apes, they're animals which aren't particularly aesthetically pleasing to my eye, granted that's never been a relevant thing to discuss to me. Apes are not pretty and the sky is blue. I'm fine with that.
As for my lol post, I don't know what more to do. You amuse me. You say that it scares you. Apes and the fact that their evolution continues scares you... It's just unbelievable.
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On November 06 2013 14:41 Stratos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 13:15 draverjai wrote:On November 06 2013 07:13 Stratos wrote:On November 06 2013 04:09 Djzapz wrote:On November 05 2013 13:50 draverjai wrote:On November 05 2013 06:38 Djzapz wrote:On November 05 2013 01:44 Smurfett3 wrote:On November 05 2013 01:06 draverjai wrote:It takes place in DRC, not South Africa. For those wanting to see the article and the pics you can find it here. I was speaking the continent of south africa, not the country (oh nvm now i see what's wrong about it haha) That's not a thing. Maybe you can say southern Africa. Also DRC is not really in the south of the continent. On November 05 2013 02:06 draverjai wrote:
To be fair I have never liked monkeys either. I too find them repulsive and can't really think of them as either animal nor human but some weird half-way between life form. That really is the only aversion I have to them, but it is full aversion enough that I try to ignore their existence where possible. There is nothing between animals and humans, as humans technically are animals. That said I can't say anything about your crazy feelings. Do you not find it a little discomforting that something so close to humans in many ways is actually a hairy creature that swings from trees and eats insects? Not at all. I even have trouble conceiving why a person would have any issue with that. Same here. Hell, we're hairy and many insects are a delicacy in various parts of the world. Do you find that discomforting too? What are you, ashamed of our ancestry? do you consider yourself so advanced that being hairy or eating survival food is something you don't want to associate yourself with? I find that quite amusing but also interesting. Care to elaborate some more? Sure. Also I'm not referring to myself as an individual but rather to us as the human race. Compare yourselt to a chimpanzee. Are you covered in that same thick coat of hair? Are your feet able to grip branches? Are you able to sit in that crouched position for hours on end? Do you voluntarily pick and eat insects off your neighbour's head? I'm sure that the answer to these is no. We have elvolved past that stage in our lives. We are more civilized than that now. We don't need all that hair to keep us warm because we have clothes. We have evolved to walk on two legs which are awkwardly long and in most cases people find it uncomfortable to sit with their knees up by their ears. We are ground dwelling creatures. Our cuisine has changed too since our neanderthal days. We aren't reliant on foraging or hunting. People who eat insects now are doing it out of choice. My whole point is that we are no longer neanderthals. We are modern humans, shaped by society and technology. No, I'm not ashamed of our past at all. Look how far we have come. Look at all the evidence of apes evolving too. There is documented evidence of apes walking on their hind legs, using tools to make food easier to reach etc. These are fairly human traits. Maybe what scares me is where is this evolution going? We haven't stopped evolving and nor have they. Also my inner artist doesn't find apes visually pleasing and and therefore I have less interest in them. And yes thats a thing before you ask. apologies for typos. Phone typing is hard Thanks for the reply. I guess I can understand why apes could cause such reactions though I cannot identify with it myself. One last question if I may, do you recognize your discomfort as irrational?
Yes, I guess I would say it is irrational. Very cosmetically based I would say.
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On November 06 2013 13:15 draverjai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 07:13 Stratos wrote:On November 06 2013 04:09 Djzapz wrote:On November 05 2013 13:50 draverjai wrote:On November 05 2013 06:38 Djzapz wrote:On November 05 2013 01:44 Smurfett3 wrote:On November 05 2013 01:06 draverjai wrote:It takes place in DRC, not South Africa. For those wanting to see the article and the pics you can find it here. I was speaking the continent of south africa, not the country (oh nvm now i see what's wrong about it haha) That's not a thing. Maybe you can say southern Africa. Also DRC is not really in the south of the continent. On November 05 2013 02:06 draverjai wrote:
To be fair I have never liked monkeys either. I too find them repulsive and can't really think of them as either animal nor human but some weird half-way between life form. That really is the only aversion I have to them, but it is full aversion enough that I try to ignore their existence where possible. There is nothing between animals and humans, as humans technically are animals. That said I can't say anything about your crazy feelings. Do you not find it a little discomforting that something so close to humans in many ways is actually a hairy creature that swings from trees and eats insects? Not at all. I even have trouble conceiving why a person would have any issue with that. Same here. Hell, we're hairy and many insects are a delicacy in various parts of the world. Do you find that discomforting too? What are you, ashamed of our ancestry? do you consider yourself so advanced that being hairy or eating survival food is something you don't want to associate yourself with? I find that quite amusing but also interesting. Care to elaborate some more? Sure. Also I'm not referring to myself as an individual but rather to us as the human race. Compare yourselt to a chimpanzee. Are you covered in that same thick coat of hair? Are your feet able to grip branches? Are you able to sit in that crouched position for hours on end? Do you voluntarily pick and eat insects off your neighbour's head? I'm sure that the answer to these is no. We have elvolved past that stage in our lives. We are more civilized than that now. We don't need all that hair to keep us warm because we have clothes. We have evolved to walk on two legs which are awkwardly long and in most cases people find it uncomfortable to sit with their knees up by their ears. We are ground dwelling creatures. Our cuisine has changed too since our neanderthal days. We aren't reliant on foraging or hunting. People who eat insects now are doing it out of choice. My whole point is that we are no longer neanderthals. We are modern humans, shaped by society and technology. No, I'm not ashamed of our past at all. Look how far we have come. Look at all the evidence of apes evolving too. There is documented evidence of apes walking on their hind legs, using tools to make food easier to reach etc. These are fairly human traits. Maybe what scares me is where is this evolution going? We haven't stopped evolving and nor have they. Also my inner artist doesn't find apes visually pleasing and and therefore I have less interest in them. And yes thats a thing before you ask. apologies for typos. Phone typing is hard
your post was very well said. I agree on many things, but not on the fundametal part. I believe that, since we are still doing the same things, and searching for the same needs now and milions of years ago, we have not reached the stage of modern humans but more like we still live alongside our past. It is part of us. The way has changed but not the things we seek. We have developed "advanced" if you will technology, but the things that made the technology possible are the same needs of always. Comunication, food, warmth, socialization and purpose. Yes purpose. I don' t know if apes and gorillas question themselves about what are they doing with their life, but apart from that, we share the same fundamental needs.
my view on Apes is that they are nice and friendly, or irritating or just mind there own buisness like people. They are awesome as do. I wonder what it would be like to jam with some of them. I think on a percussion of some kind could work.
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