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Pyrion Flax Attacks : FOREIGNERS - Page 6

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Headnoob
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2108 Posts
October 19 2013 21:51 GMT
#101
How many russians do you actually play with though.
Tru_m4n
Profile Joined September 2009
162 Posts
October 19 2013 23:16 GMT
#102
I agree with most of the things Pyrion listed, but I have to say it is really annoying when you queue on whatever server (I play on EU west since that's where I live) and only tick english or whatever language and STILL end up playing with people who refuse to use said language except when they insult you or your mom. If they can't speak *selected language* then they should go play on their own server if they have one (which is often the case, and that's why people are so mad at them) or at least use external communication so that you don't have to put up with people yelling in spanish or chinese or whatever on the voice chat. Personally, me and my friends use Skype where we talk in our language and in the in-game chat we use english because that's what you're expected to do if you tick english language. I fail to see how not communicating, or communicating but only in a foreign language, is a good thing. I don't go playing on the russian/brazilian/SEA/etc server because 1. it'll give me bad ping, and 2. I won't understand them and they won't understand me, which means I may as well play vs bots. I just don't see the point. It is frustrating for your team mates who can't understand, and it leads to them getting mad at you, which means your own playing experience blows as well.
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animagne
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom47 Posts
October 20 2013 00:20 GMT
#103
I strongly disagree with this article. It is perfectly reasonable to find good players from those big countries, the problem is with general mentality of people (and I'm not limiting it only to online games). I'm probably targeting this more to eastern Europeans, as I have more personal experience, originating from there. If a player is good, you are very unlikely to know what country is he from. If a player is bad, by the way they handle the losing, you can tell with a high accuracy (even if they speak English instead of Russian) what region of Europe they are from. Only quite intelligent people from Eastern Europe can get rid of the mentality, that was developed during soviet age, and whether they are playing good or bad, you are unlikely to know that they are from eastern Europe. The rest of the people are generally as bad (again, not specifically in Dota, but more in interaction with others) as someone you would immediately call an asshole from other countries.

(By the way, my extremely limited Russian skills are enough to understand what they are talking, I am fully aware of the issues with ping that connection from eastern Stockholm server, unlike Luxembourg has and I never blame pubs for being bad, because that's just waste of time. Hating to interact with players from those countries, as it is much more likely to find friendlier people with better attitude from somewhere else is an issue though.)
Web_cole
Profile Joined June 2011
25 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-20 00:28:46
October 20 2013 00:27 GMT
#104
My issue is this: I searched for a game on whatever server (EU West say) on English language preferences. Why are there people in my game, on my team, who don't or are not speaking English? Dota is a team game, teamwork necessitates communication, good communication requires a common spoken and/or written language. Is this a failure of the Matchmaker, or the people involved?

There probably is a lot of unwarranted xenophobia directed at Russians, but its not xenophobic to want to be able to communicate with your teammates.
BadBinky
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland649 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-20 00:46:09
October 20 2013 00:43 GMT
#105
Skill is not the issue...

Nice analogy though
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
October 20 2013 03:25 GMT
#106
It's a team orientated game. I don't queue on servers that don't speak my own language because it hampers our ability to communicate and work as a team. It's not xenphobic, it's reality. It's exceedingly difficult to coordinate a team who speaks different languages without any type of common ground. While all servers/countries might have an equal proportion of good to bad players at least I can communicate with a bad player and try to minimize their negative effect on the game while hopefully teaching them something.

I cannot teach or mitigate a horrible player who cannot understand a word coming out of my mouth. It becomes frustrating and I don't enjoy it. There is nothing xenophobic about that. It's a desire to win and learn and becoming naturally frustrated at anyone who impedes that. It just so happens that when you can't communicate with your team properly they become a greater impediment and makes the game worse.


Also, I have only ever run into Mexican/Brazilian players who somehow just leave their audio on the WHOLE game while blasting shitty (Note: ANY) music.
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Prophanity
Profile Joined January 2012
United States165 Posts
October 20 2013 04:38 GMT
#107
On October 20 2013 12:25 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
It's a team orientated game. I don't queue on servers that don't speak my own language because it hampers our ability to communicate and work as a team. It's not xenphobic, it's reality. It's exceedingly difficult to coordinate a team who speaks different languages without any type of common ground.


A trillion times this. I really do appreciate the scroll wheel and it does help a bit but you cannot, with such few options on the wheel, convey all the necessary information at times. I have nothing against people from other countries nor those that speak other languages and I understand that there isn't a server in each country for those that speak a specific language. That is a fact that does not, however, make playing a team game easier when half of your team has no idea what you're trying to tell them.

In the end, the complaint is not so much about people on a US server not speaking English as it is a complaint about not being able to clearly converse many simple things to them as the scroll wheel and pings are not catch-alls. I'm afraid until Google Translate (lol) is installed in Dota, this will be a continued issue.
Schickysc
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada380 Posts
October 20 2013 05:43 GMT
#108
What a waste of a read honestly. People are ignorant.

Pretty simple as this:

1) People who project their experiences with a culture/race/demographic onto all others of the same, are asshats.

2) People who queue with a language selected that they can't speak/comprehend, are asshats.

3) People who queue on a server that they knowingly have a terrible ping on, and spend the whole game typing "-ping", then blame their mistakes on lag, are asshats.
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ohBareN
Profile Joined July 2012
United States11 Posts
October 20 2013 05:48 GMT
#109
The last game I played.

http://i.imgur.com/cFiFOAW.jpg
OOHCHILD
Profile Joined September 2013
United States570 Posts
October 20 2013 07:44 GMT
#110
I think the prejudice is justified in this case. There is a cultural tendency in countries like Russia and Brazil to not take games as seriously. So it is statistically correct to say that Russians and Brazilians are mostly trolls and terrible at DotA.
Vansetsu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1454 Posts
October 20 2013 08:15 GMT
#111
On October 19 2013 23:20 opisska wrote:
This blog is slightly puzzling - who is this guy who has 3 posts and 1 blog and his blog is already featured?


Yea, only thing about the blog other than the stupid arguments that followed that kinda bothered me. Someone literally coded a little banner for people to follow him. With 3 posts to contribute on TL, this kinda just feels like self advertizing -_-
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Desertfaux
Profile Joined June 2012
Netherlands276 Posts
October 20 2013 10:23 GMT
#112
I had a game where a Russian kid did the 'angry German kid' impression over his microphone (in russian of course), most memorable doto I played to this day.
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
October 20 2013 10:30 GMT
#113
On October 20 2013 17:15 Vansetsu wrote:
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On October 19 2013 23:20 opisska wrote:
This blog is slightly puzzling - who is this guy who has 3 posts and 1 blog and his blog is already featured?


Yea, only thing about the blog other than the stupid arguments that followed that kinda bothered me. Someone literally coded a little banner for people to follow him. With 3 posts to contribute on TL, this kinda just feels like self advertizing -_-


I'm not aware of any post count requirement for a blog to be featured. Being somewhat of a scene insider / personality obviously helps, but that's always been the case.
Sogetsu
Profile Joined July 2011
514 Posts
October 20 2013 10:35 GMT
#114
Oh man this should be on SC2 forums too, and any other forums on the web for gamers. Very good writeup.
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Cosm01
Profile Joined September 2013
Netherlands2 Posts
October 20 2013 12:56 GMT
#115
Just logged in to say this was among the worst and idiotic articles I've ever read. It may be a TL feature but that doesn't stop it from being horrendous. The point is that any person that doesn't have the inherent intelligence to be able to pick up English after years and years of being online or dealing with it in some other way, they probably ARE of lesser intelligence. And before you bash me for ''then why don't you speak any other languages'', I'm able to speak 4 at a decent level. One of the most ridiculous and try-hard articles I've ever read in my life

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Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands10 Posts
October 20 2013 14:01 GMT
#116
On October 20 2013 21:56 Cosm01 wrote:
Just logged in to say this was among the worst and idiotic articles I've ever read. It may be a TL feature but that doesn't stop it from being horrendous. The point is that any person that doesn't have the inherent intelligence to be able to pick up English after years and years of being online or dealing with it in some other way, they probably ARE of lesser intelligence. And before you bash me for ''then why don't you speak any other languages'', I'm able to speak 4 at a decent level. One of the most ridiculous and try-hard articles I've ever read in my life


Thank you. It saddens me when people love to circlejerk around an article without actually reading it.

Pyrion, anyone with a decent level of critical thinking can clearly see how hard you try to make a point about an issue while clearly going far from the real problem. Most of those people who are not being cooperative or/and communicative are actually doing it on purpose just because they couldn't give a damn about winning and can take their kick out of the game by watching you painfully trying to make some teamwork happen.

That’s kind of uncool, you know what I mean man? Because the internet is meant to be about, like, breaking down barriers and stuff.


I got to admit, I laughed at this part quite hard. This may be YOUR reasons to join other servers but everyone here knows why most of people do it. The main reason is the queue time. They want a game asap so they tick all the options and don't give any damn about "breaking down barriers and stuff". Seriously Pyrion, you are either naive or really oblivious about this game's playerbase.

Ask yourself this: If there was a fast queue time for all servers of all countries, do you really think russians would tick an EU West server just to ''break down barriers and stuff''?

The answer is no. Unless he wants to troll. But that, is another story.
Don't forget, practice makes perfect.
Batcha
Profile Joined November 2010
Bosnia-Herzegovina72 Posts
October 20 2013 14:02 GMT
#117
It was such a joy reading this with PF's voice in my head!

Idea was to reply with questioning statistics but considering I've just had a rather unpleasant game involving players that seemed to originate from Russia, perhaps it would be wiser to delay it until I'd go about it in a more objective way. :D
I do agree with most of the points OP presents though.

Thing is, the complaints don't necessarily have to be a bad thing when you look at the big picture.
Mentioning Russians and Brazilians has become a part of Dota culture, and I'm certain a significant part of players from those countries acts in a way only to reinforce just that. People seem to take the complaints too seriously anyway.

I find the entire thing quite humorous which is why I think in general, a certain amount of stuff with a "negative" vibe to it can in the long run create a more enjoyable experience, such as complaining about Russians or other stereotypes, stuff being broken/op, unfair, demoralizing and so on.. simply because some kind of story forms around it.
Maybe the new players don't immediately appreciate it, but for me it gives the game some character and even though I'm complaining about a negative experience at the time, it makes me more opinionated towards the game in the end. And as long as the game does not play out that way each time, and allows me to choose how i want it to play out (by the way i queue and with whom) I see no problem.

People need to loosen up..
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Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
October 20 2013 14:17 GMT
#118
On October 20 2013 06:51 Headnoob wrote:
How many russians do you actually play with though.


I only play EU West and in most games I have at least 2 russians
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
October 20 2013 14:48 GMT
#119
I like your writing style, and I certainly agree with your point on needless hate, but you're flat out wrong about languages.
Yes, the internet is supposed to unite and break down boundaries yadda, yadda. But guess what, like it or not- the language of the internet (and most other "international" entities) is English. You might as well argue that everyone on TL should be allowed to write in their own language.
And there's a little country right next to those awesome Switzerlands and Luxembourgs, it has cute little inhabitants who have little problem speaking English on the web even though their language is spoken by ~100 million people.
11 years and counting- TL #680
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
October 20 2013 15:03 GMT
#120
I enjoy your DOTA2 videos, funny stuff.
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